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Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:03:41
Blank profiles








Its occurred upon a few threads now. And just about everyone comments on it too.

I propose that we bouycott AX until a rule of complete profiles is implemented. No more bogus writing. A man owns his words and ought to be accountable for them. If we continue to contribute to a forum that encourages bogus profiles and anonymity it will only get get worse
daggers
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:18:58
T.W.A.T.S ..... Typing with anonity totaly afraid!!!!
daggers
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:20:12
Bolox! I ment

T.W.A.T.S ..... Typing with anonity totaly scared
sambaby
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:23:56
you mean like BenBurfitt, who is clearly an obnoxious moron, who claims to 'know' what he is talking about, when in actual fact he just comes across as a total nob.
Liam R
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:24:50
good idea, whens the start time for not posting until fakes are removed?
crazylegs
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:38:33
LOL @ daggers
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:43:46
I guess once there is unilateral acceptance that the idea is a good one. Then we do it.

These people are spoilers and ruining an excellent forum.

We just keep getting wound up and accepting poor behaviour. No more!
Nige
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:45:49
I'll guarantee the ones with the no profiles are regular axers who post on here all polictically correct and then say what they really want under non profile. I'd love to start writing some names down! haha
David
Posted: 2008-05-01 06:53:03
just spent half hour filling it out with pics and everything and it hasnt gone through,im not very computer minded,i guess ill have to stay anonimous,good idea and i did try.nath
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 07:09:37
Its worth noting that i make a proposal only. it isnt for me to influence your decisions. but i do think AX really must regulate its users profiles.
tom-uk
Posted: 2008-05-01 07:16:11
Well said Sam been thinking that for a while, the guys an idiot
and people should ignore his threads,The easiest way is to just ignore
people without profiles unless you know who they really are.
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 07:24:40
Dave,

Nice speaking to you just now. I also, as you now know, have a great concern in relation to this matter after an incident in the past as discussed with you.

As also explained, I now keep my posting to a minimum as much as I can.

However I must say......
By restricting this site to users who only supply full details (and the knowledge that users ISP's could be used as proof of abusive addressees) would actually raise the credibility of the site and may convince other reputable martial artists who do not post now to do so in future.

All things are hard to police but making that extra bit of effort for the good of the people cannot be a bad thing. How about Red posts for under 18's and Blue posts for OV 18, then we know who we are directing our conversations at.
Just a thought?

C ;-)
Golden Belt Office
Posted: 2008-05-01 07:48:52
Really good idea, but the only problem is that it doesn't stop people making up the profile information as they go along.

Granted moderators can match information against isps, but I have a different isp at home than I do in the office. And what if I don't have another account to compare against?

The problem with the internet will always be, that unless you can meet the person face to face, you will never know whether what they are telling you is fact or a pack of lies.
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:01:58
mmmmmm........Come on you computer buffs/web site designers help us out here!
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:05:44
How about if AX Charged a £1 lifetime membership and it had to be paid by credit card on joining? They could even donate the money to a chidlrens charity!

This way at least most of the users would then be legit? At least the source could be traced easier??
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:12:48
Great idea
splinter
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:38:13
good idea
phil
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:43:10
Yeah great idea giving credit card details to a site that now seems to be hacked weekly. Sorry, that sounds a bit of a smartarse response, but you know what I mean.

Internet profiles cannot be controlled, only thing you can really do is ignore the trolls and they will eventually go away.
David Mc
Posted: 2008-05-01 08:44:11
That works for me... Nige your in trouble...lol
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2008-05-01 10:06:23
I never respond to posts without profiles. It works for me.
However, I do think that people should be allowed to register without a profile - if it helps someone to voice truths that they wouldn't be able to otherwise, then its a good thing. Like phil says, the trolls soon get recognized.
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 10:20:56
I recognise that some people like the anonymity to give them strenght to say things that they might not have the courage to say otherwise. But this isnt a court of law and theres no requirement to say anything. the origins of a statement might give it validity. a fools words are just that. where as the words of the wise may carry impact.

do what you want. my point is that more and more cowardly faceless trolls are spoiling the forum that give voice to our industry.

Pisand
Posted: 2008-05-01 10:23:50
Great ideas about the boycott and paying for registration. Suspend all accounts May 5th...Have AX setup a paypal account, we send a quid or $2 and put in the subject line or description your SCREEN NAME. Once paid for, you're reinstated with your full profile in tact.
crazylegs
Posted: 2008-05-01 10:44:22
pisand good idea but if i'm paying a £1 my profiles coming back with 300 undefeated fights 3 world titles, 8x lumpinee champ and I beat Liam H with one hand behind my back while writing my autobiography entitled "I won all the titles" and the follow up book "my balls are bigger than yours". LOL
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2008-05-01 10:48:16
I think everyone needs to relax a bit before we end up with CCTV cameras on pc's!! The worlds gone mad! Let the trolls have their fun, they make entertaining viewing and soon get found out! And the ax moderators do a pretty good job overall. I wouldnt want to pay a pound to use ax cos then its exclusive. How can we have an exclusive open forum??

Whats more...

footwork writes

"I also, as you now know, have a great concern in relation to this matter after an incident in the past as discussed with you."

I find it interesting that you oppose not having a profile as i remember a time when you were posting anonomously and even talking about yourself as if you were someone different!!So come on let people have their right to privacy! Some have more to hide than others at different times!
fatandbald
Posted: 2008-05-01 11:12:49
is it the non profilers the problem or the quality of the threads?If the discussion is good the profile dont matter IMO.Dont like the quid idea i have never give my bank details out on the net.But if we ax do get a quid off everyone they could hire a private ditective to find all the non profilers then you can kill them and there families while they sleep in there beds.Because this is a problem that far outreaches all the world wars and global warming
Pisand
Posted: 2008-05-01 11:21:31
fatandbald - see, I cannot take that post seriously because of the obvious trolling. C'mon, AX threads tainted by trolls considerably outweigh overly hyped impending disasters like global warming and war.

Now, had you filled in your profile, I might consider this a serious and valid point.



(Kidding of course)
fatandbald
Posted: 2008-05-01 11:39:03
thanks for having a sense of humour pisand i will sleep a little safer tonite
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 12:37:54
OOOOOOOOOOH Mick thats a bit below the belt son!

I did use ax under a different name quiet a way back and yes I used it to put up posts whilst finding my feet on the forum. It was when I got a pathetic response off someone who later got riduculed and left AX or now posts ANONYMOUSLY???

Then with the hacking etc I have since posted less frequently but always openly. Infact today in light of Daves initial post I went straight to my profile and comleted the missing bits!(my identity was there already)

I work on this belief, if I cant stand up and answer it or support it then I wont post it!!!

Tell me why you choose now to take a dig at me when I have spoken to you many many times in great confidence and supported you on many occasions???

You have my phone number pick it up!
dazzathethai
Posted: 2008-05-01 13:18:02
Just ignore the trols, by resorting to a thread lke this they are sat at ome smiling their sad little arses of.

Don't rise to it
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2008-05-01 13:32:55
Footwork your very sensitive sometimes. The point i'm making was not a dig merely an opinion which was not meant to be offensive.

You state yourself "I did use ax under a different name quiet a way back and yes I used it to put up posts whilst finding my feet on the forum"

Well doesnt that prove my point that it suits people to remain anonymous at certain times??

I was reacting to this culture of accountability that we are currently facing where police cant even do police work cos they are busy filling in copious amounts of paperwork justifying the use of their time. And he we are on an "open" forum discussing how we can make people accountable for the idle use of their spare time! I just think its madness and have spoken out about that. You were merely an example which enabled me to make my point. (a point which you've kind of reinforced with your response.) I wasnt suggesting this was underhand just that you posted anonymously for a while which you've confirmed you did.

Although as i recall it was the same name as you use now and you did imply that you weren't who you actually are. Which maybe is a bit klandestine??

I just think its a bit hypocrytical for people to sit and judge others for stuff they have done themselves. Also, i dont know who this benburfitt is but ive read some of his posts and i get the impression that he's quite young. Maybe i'm wrong but imo all axers should be afforded some understanding. He's not directly targeted anyone just made some ill thought out comments.
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 13:57:16
Some of that taken Mick yes.

I had reason at the time and I am sure you know what I mean that it was delicate for me to post on AX. But now I have totally opened up, my posts are only of a personal nature and are of my own personal opinion.

So yes I see your point there.

Just I felt your post directed at me was used in a context that may be portrayed that I too, used a false name in a manner that I myself, or others may find unnaceptable. I would never do that!

I am also sure you can appreciate that the loss of contact after our recent chats led me to believe it was a dig.

No harm done!

C

So back to the original post!!!!!



chalky
Posted: 2008-05-01 14:27:41
Some other forums will only allow you to view topics/threads and not POST on them if you are only a guest,ie:NO profile filled in/registered.
Why can't this happen on here? But at the same time you could lie anyway on here and put any false info on your profile? It has happened before until people have found out who they were!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-01 14:58:47
I see theres an adverse reaction to owning your words. possibly its too easy to speak your mind without consequence.

I recognise the desirability of anonymous. just politely observe IF an honest profile was required the content need not be any less incisive or blunt. just that the posts would have a degree of validity as a consequence of their authors credibility.

I only raised the issue to highlight what blights our sport. a small town mentality of pettiness. it infects our ability to progress into the mainstream like a cancer.
And if nigels right, the majority of trolled posts are posted by fully paid up respectable members of AX choosing to have multiple identitys so as to stir the water up a bit then thats even worse!

This issue just like the call for regulations regarding children fighting (recent subject) will get swept away under the carpet and our sport will hobble along...shame really
dazzathethai
Posted: 2008-05-01 15:06:34
The opposite is also true, someones oponion may not be given fair "thought" if we know who has posted it, or there association with someone else
phil
Posted: 2008-05-01 15:13:37
How can you control if a profile is truthful or not?

Surely a £1 charge wont be enough to thwart someone who wants to come on and stir it up?

Most of us on here want accountability and to know who we are communicating with, but as the internet is a worldwide medium that allows anonymity as much as accountability then I don`t think it is something that can be ever put in place until all PC`s/laptops come with a webcam that shows who is operating them at any given time!
Golden Belt Office
Posted: 2008-05-01 15:22:37
We've been the victim of a troll on here, we know who it was, not sure they know we know.

I don't see the point in it really. If you don't have the balls to say something to someone's face you shouldn't really say it at all. When you are eventually found out it just makes you look like a petty minded coward.

Then again, I have enough trouble remembering one Ax password, nevermind two or more!

On the other side of that, I can understand why some wish to stay anonymous, at least at first. Not aimed at anyone, but this forum can appear cliquey at times, and it's daunting with your first posts. The anonimity of a screen and a user name can often give you the confidence you need to post and air your opinion.

So while some anonymous users are indeed trolls are trouble makers, some could be genuine posters to be, who are just a bit shy.

Time will always tell which is which, and the trolls get bored eventually and go back to sitting under their bridges.
chalky
Posted: 2008-05-01 15:43:16
Dave C,Of course some people on here have multiple id's,And they say what they really mean on the false id! You can't stop the crap stirring...

I agree to with the above post it can be cliquey on here at times and in M.T.
So people are put off.You have seen a lot of regulars not post anymore...Yoda,Stevie Nisbet,baz faulty,...
footwork
Posted: 2008-05-01 16:02:58
Goldenbelt,
Thanks, that confirms what I was saying about the way I initially approached AX.

Phil,
Understand what you are saying.....but the £1 charge suggestion was merely a way of intoducing a small fee that is affordable by all, therfore not restricting anyone but also making sure there was a an identifiable source of origination.

Unless they are a financial fraudster of credit card thief as well!!!! It goes on...................

NICE WEATHER TODAY GUYS EH!!!! LOL
Snail
Posted: 2008-05-01 16:31:14
I think most people are wising up to it now anyway . The only time its an issue is when the annonymous person gets controversial. And because people are wising up they call them out and if it doesnt happen they get ignored . I do feel ax is maturing ! Its like life no body likes two faced people , anyone who wont stand by what they say or people who say one thing and do another .
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2008-05-01 16:57:05
Daft idea, impossible to moderate...sorry but if you look at who started this thread his profile says his name is "Thirteenth Duke of Wimborne"
noi666
Posted: 2008-05-01 17:31:41

LOL

I hear what you are saying Mr Croft, and they are a pain in the arse....suppose they are just our cross to bear, and as the maturity level rises the trolls will gradually deminish. I doubt they will go completely, even with security measures, but it does make things a little bit interesting at times.
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-01 17:35:34
Hi Mick

Nice to hear from you again.

I have a thing I do on here with people who have no profiles, I just ignore and do not answer them. Dont post on there threads or answer there topics at all. Just def them.

phil
Posted: 2008-05-01 17:37:01
Another way to look at it is that at least some subjects get broached whereas otherwise they may not, for fear of reprisal etc. Anonymity isn`t all bad, although it is a pain most of the time.
vinny
Posted: 2008-05-01 17:39:00
But everyone knows who they are...its easy as they repeat the same language and attack the same people,they think they are clever and everyone is stupid but in truth they are very unhappy people who reflect what they have in their own internal world..its a shame really as its short live gratification to criticize x
Colin.H
Posted: 2008-05-01 17:55:11
It's nothing to do with having a profile, a nob is a nob. Some have genuine reasons not to add a profile.
vinny
Posted: 2008-05-01 18:03:28
Colin....xx correct !!!
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2008-05-01 18:08:56
And even having a profile doesn't keep all the nobs out. lol
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-01 18:11:17
Its knob, lol
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2008-05-01 22:26:06
i reckon if the moderators paid more attention , then the secret trolls and obvious trolls could be removed on a daily basis. As well as the virus. Was intersting to read that in an old thread between JWP and Kit Cope the guy who kept calling him Twit Dope had his posts removed and got kicked off ax yet we have seen much worse cases of name calling/threats/bullying on other threads from anonymous posters.

There was a lovely pic on here of a girls arse which got removed within a day also. Since when has a nice girl's arse been more harmful than an insult? Can we have a special girl's arse page as well? I wouldnt mind paying for that.
chalky
Posted: 2008-05-01 23:38:59
LOL.
Colin.H
Posted: 2008-05-02 01:27:29
markgibbs.

From Wikipidia dictionary.

nob

"(slang) The penis (more often spelt knob)"
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-02 02:12:57
Jackson! you Master Of Detective work! im outted. i really am the thirteenth duke of wimborne! i had hoped to keep that quiet.

Daz you make a good point, as does vinny and frankly the others too. and truth be told just ignring a bogus thread would easily erradicate it. And it is a big world with lots of people all with different perspectives.

All i wanted to generate was an understanding that to have a say. its better to be who you are.

it certainly wasnt to give the moderators a full time IT career.

It might not be workable, but it was worth asking.............if we dont ask we dont get eh?
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-02 04:23:08
Thanks Col

I know now. lol
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2008-05-02 04:50:22
Hey up Mark.

Mark writes;

"I have a thing I do on here with people who have no profiles, I just ignore and do not answer them. Dont post on there threads or answer there topics at all. Just def them."

Thats the way forward!! We cant bar people just for being nobs...or knobs...its like a mini form of social control. Just ignore them. Everyones too official nower days. Hiding behind procedures and protocol. The trolls quickly get shown up for what they are and soon get dealt with. Plus they make things interesting in the process.
________________________________________________________________________________

Snail writes:

"I do feel ax is maturing! Its like life no body likes two faced people , anyone who wont stand by what they say or people who say one thing and do another ."

This is an interesting point. The main issue i have with ax is that ive seen people use it as a political tool recently which is one of the reasons i havent posted for ages. (that and i havent really had time -rules crackdown at work!! LOL)People give an impression that they want one thing and then act in a way which totally contradicts this. As the snail rightly points out tho, in life these individuals eventually get caught out. Especially if they're not as clever at hiding it as they think!!
Snail
Posted: 2008-05-02 05:07:04
Mr crossland , what are you trying to say ! are you incinuating there are two faced scoundrels within our beloved sport .... how very dare you !

lol


ps. how sthe kiddies round a bout going ?
HerrCutt
Posted: 2008-05-02 05:14:12
"I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2008-05-02 05:20:49
Thats what i'm talking about herrcut!!

I know Dale who'd've thunk it!!?? LMAO!
dazzathethai
Posted: 2008-05-02 07:53:43
Dave, can you invest £250,000 in Uk Thai Boxing please. Let's set up one association and we can all agree on the rules, method of scoring and really take this sport forward.

If you don't ask you don't get :-)
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-02 08:32:21
Darren your finger got stuck on the 0 key then. I can do £250 all day long. LOL
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-02 10:04:31
Mick

Off topic but I agree totally with what your saying about some people just using ax for a political tool. I just try to express an opinion and have fun (even if I c\nt spell no/knob. lol)
alan keddle
Posted: 2008-05-02 11:04:50
i have no profile and it is pretty obvious who i am and i dont use nicknames or alias names. To be honest i wouldnt know where to start or how to do that! it is not the profile that really matters. The majority of fighters and trainers are known to the muay thai world or can intro themselves real quick. To be honest at the time i registered i just couldnt be arsed. just being dead honest. It the ones that use nicknames WITH NO PROFILE! that no bastard knows that we are talking about. I can swear on my four childrens lives that i have never and will never use an alias!!! i say this because i know for a fact in the past it has been thought during the ' ax ' wars that i had done that. My previous history on here should clearly show that i need no alias. Having said this i should fill it out for those international users that have wouldnt know the name.
Brian Ritchie
Posted: 2008-05-02 12:22:14
This topic has been discussed about 500 times before. Though, nobody threatened to boycott Ax over it :-)

I feel similarly to Dave Croft (I think) in believing that a community where everyone has everything out on the table is a healthier community. However, that just isn't reality, especially not on the internet. As Colin H. said, it's not really about profiles or no profiles. It's about behavior. If someone has inappropriate behavior, it doesn't matter if they have a profile or not. However, people are more likely to push the limits of acceptable behavior if they are acting under anonymity, and that is what Dave Croft is pointing to.

I've thought about this over the years and I have some ideas on how to help improve the situation, but it will never be perfect. What could help are better moderation tools, abuse reporting tools, an improved registration system and perhaps the idea I brought up a long time ago regarding "verified accounts" where a user could opt to verify their identity with the moderators (but not necessarily publicly) and that would give them an icon next to their name showing that they believe in acting in the best interest of the community. Then you could know who the more serious posters are. Of course, this would place some trust in the hands of the Ax moderation for those who still wanted to be verified but still remain anonymous. But we've done a good job at keeping private data private (like email addresses or user identities) in the past when people asked us.

Some of you know that I have plans for redeveloping Ax and branching off from it into a much larger project (multiple websites related to fighting). I've been talking to a developer for the past year and I'm discussing options with a potential investor for the project. Some of the above ideas are included in the plans. Hopefully, those plans will happen and the Ax community can grow into something better than it is today.

fatandbald
Posted: 2008-05-02 13:24:03
some of the phrases on here concern me for example calling people cowards and scared for not having a profile....if they have a diffrent opinion do they have something to be scared about? come on guys didnt we get rid of tony hayes.good point by alan keddle some people just cant be arsed i hardly read a profile unless this is really a dating site in disguise.Can non fighters have an opinion or would you like seperate threads for mere mortals.Benburfitt is sometimes funny and sometimes isnt the funny bits i laugh at and the non funny ones i dont its that simple.I dont think it is ruining a good website and if a non profiler talks to me i will answer them because it would be rude not to
paulinthailand
Posted: 2008-05-02 13:45:42
if they have a diffrent opinion do they have something to be scared about?

thats not the problem, the problem is when they start talking about banging your mum and its a lot more simple to be offensive when there are no comebacks, its nice to know who your enemies are!
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-02 14:12:29
Spot on Brian. No one really cares about profiles or identitys but correct behaviour. As Alan rightly illustrates not completeing your profile isnt an issue. Afterall its easy enough to identify who someone might be over the years. Or indeed they use their own name (thats easy).

It just struck me that without consequences. There always seems to be poor behaviour close at hand.

Though I accept to that some times having the freedom to say it as it is without consequence is a democratic right.

I started this by saying that a possible course of action might be boycott. But as the thread has unfurled it has become clear that isnt an option. least ways not in a productive sense anyway.

It just seeems as though there ought to be some thing to control trolling and insulting behaviour. Whilst tolerating the sometimes hurtful truth...

Hell I started this and now see many sides for and against the arguement. All I can say is that should I tire of it I will simply cease to involve myself. Afterall one man one vote

DanUK
Posted: 2008-05-02 14:13:49
people also have the right to "know" their "accuser" if thats the case dont they?
Ax Team
Posted: 2008-05-02 14:48:09
Its ok talking about why the moderators may be letting things go and missing others.

Well the truth is we actually spend a lot of the available moderation time getting into e-mail discussions with people that break the rules about the reasons why they are being suspended!

It would be much easier to just scan the topics and posts and then ban offenders outright on there first offence as other sites do.

This would make the moderation much simpler but would also mean that many of you who have posted above would be now banned.

Our approach to moderation helps nurture the Ax community and teach people how to stay involved.
fatandbald
Posted: 2008-05-02 14:50:05
paulinthailand take your point mate just thought all non profilers were been tarred with the same brush.As dave croft says it isnt about that so fair enough.
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-02 15:15:05
Ax team,

Just a small point, but where can i find a copy of the rules please?

I always follow common sense on here and try to treat people the same as in real life, nut I could not find the rules just.
phil
Posted: 2008-05-02 15:31:13
Ax Team, where`s your profile! :)
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-05-02 15:44:19
Sorry, found them now.
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2008-05-02 16:49:46
lets have a one day boycott anyway - just to keep Brian on his toes :-)
phil
Posted: 2008-05-02 17:03:50
Or we could all create new profileless ID`s and play 'guess who'. 3 posts each allowed.
dragonfoot
Posted: 2008-05-03 03:34:38
alls i can say its a bloody good job you all know im spartacus... cos at least you all know were ya stand with moi!!!

been away doing some soul searching... otis reading what a guy...

but seriuosly there is a lot of cloak an dagger going off on here but if some people havent got the balls to stand up and be counted for well why worry yourself about there lack of back bone... golden rule only worry about your own business if you do that you'l be successful if your worrying about every one elses well ya going down the pan.. charity starts at home....

see pepole value there own imoprtance too much they believe they are all seeing all knowing... gotta feel sorry for the dreamers...lol what i mean by this is they know who they are but think there the dogs bollocks and they are the be all and end all in there little world but fear to actually be accounted for there opinions so they create the blank profile alias... not all because some probably just dont want nosey buggers sifting through there particulars... me im an exhibitionist im here for all to see but only cause im a leg-end in my own world

but yes there is a click on here and so there should be because some people are simply not liked is this a bad thing... NO!!! if your not a knob! then you'd be liked... we all judge by others actions.. and thats a reasonable way of doing it... some on here have done very distastful things to either myself or others, nothing too harsh but very snidy all the same...

il be honest i did too try to create an alias being as i have my reasons but i was out smarted as obviously never got a second account doesnt need pointing out why i needed one but those who know me will know why i needed one, so in fairness the ax team are on the ball they have caught m every time they just cant be expected to get every one when you all click your fingers... but rest assured im sure they will get them eventually

we all take this site for granted me too, but some just dont appreciate it at all, i mean who the fuck is putting these viruses in thats just not on!!!

any society posesess the abilty to police itself our only wa of doing this is like mark says def them out... and report it to the moderators... we want it clean so why exoect others to do what we are cabale of!!!
David
Posted: 2008-05-03 04:14:42
before i get called a troll,we moved house at xmas and our computer to the gym where it is free for any of the fighters to use as i became fed up with argueing on their behalf,i didnt like doing it from home in my own time and ending up not being liked for it,so now they can do it themselves.i have asked that they all sign their names after they post.
david is zoe masons nickname at the gym---david bowie-zoe-how crap but hey were cornish.it was the only live account we have between us as i lost my password in the move.
i tried registering for a new account yesterday but still no reply???NATHAN KITCHEN,TOUCHGLOVES CORNWALL,UNITED KINGDOM.UNDER THE BRIDGE EATING A GOAT
Dave Croft
Posted: 2008-05-03 04:55:43
I spoke with one of the AX team can recognise the difficult task they have in moderation of a free to join, democratic forum. whilst upholding freedom of speech and the right to not declare identitys and yet stop poor behaviour. not an enviable task.

And yet I still afterall this. and reassessing my stance feel theres a half way compromise to prevent or at least diminish trolls.

A blank profile is fine if the posts that profile generate are reasonable or indeed you actually know who it is. an alias is too. frankly that isnt the issue is it. its the chromium plated phallus shaped craniums* that use this forum to insult, harrang and blatantly insult fellow users.




*shiny dick'eads!
dragonfoot
Posted: 2008-05-03 06:02:59
yes, why should it matter if its a world champion, total beginner, mother aunt sister or 2nd cousin and promtor who is posting if its a valid and intersting post... post away, do not take weight away from ones opinion because of there stauture that is just blind ignorance, so if people have hidden identities for this then dont be proud of who you are and what your opinion may be.... x
Ax Team
Posted: 2008-05-03 06:07:40
Nathan, Its not our fault if you keep losing your password and then choose to register a different name instead of just clicking the lost password button is it?

I have sent you your password again

Moderation discussion should not take place on the board, its against the rules and the rule is there for a reason. I will make an exception in this case if you insist and we can discuss your other user names here if you like?

Ax Team
David
Posted: 2008-05-03 06:30:01
thanks,my knuckles have been rapped and my arse spanked.
i have in the past questioned only the things in the sport that are corrupt to my fighters and club,nothing else and will openly discuss anything i have said at any show i attend with anyone.as i have said they can now argue for themselves now the computer is at the gym.everyone knows how i feel about it all so i have nothing to hide.nath
dragonfoot
Posted: 2008-05-03 06:33:00
o yes need to point out my alias was a profile for bridie she would use it mainly but would allow me to be when my arse was being felt...lol
David
Posted: 2008-05-04 07:05:12
natkit,joolykay,nathantouchgloves,touchglovesuk and this one which as explained is zoe masons.hardly rocket science to figure out who it is but i apologise for losing my passwords and had no idea i was breaking rules so a big sorry for that as well.
back to the subject though and now it has been proven that the team can name individuals. how about we make a top ten list of troubleshooters who have no profile and the team put names next to them.it would be unfair to do it for me and not others,or mabe put all alias names next to real names on the profile page.
my new profile has arrived so i will post under touchglovesuk with a filled out profile(if i can figure it out) from now on.nath

Farhad
Posted: 2008-05-04 08:02:27
This is where i stand on anonymous profiles:

If a blank profile is trolling and being directly insulting then their post should be removed. If they carry on causing trouble or slandering then ban them!
Just like any other forum do.

People should realise by now that "trolls" do not deserve acknowledgement for their daft comments. Just ignore them and they soon go away.
Why should anyone give a shit about those idiots anyway?

If someone is just posting but staying mysterious as they dont see the need to have their views linked to a club or association then so be it!
In some cases, someones views on a match, a decision, a title or something that happens may prejudice their fighters chances of working with certain people or or a title shot or something.
So yes let them stay blank if they want.

On the flip side, some of these people who are moaning about being "trolled" , what have they got to hide???
If people are doing things the right way on shows, i.e. NEVER mismatching fighters? Abiding to the 28 day suspension rule, making sure they have unbiased judges there, making sure the medical cover etc is up to scratch then there should be no problems.
Also instructors should conduct themselves properly in public. None of this f-ing and blinding at shows when their fighter is losing or general thug like behaviour. Im not saying that the majority do all that, just that there are a few nutters out there that give the sport a bad name.

Live by a few simple rules:
Be fair with everyone and dont screw people over.
Do things by the book , make sure you adress safety as your first concern.
Be consistent= dont one minute say "these are the rules,... blah blah blah" and then later on go and contradict yourself and make the ruels up as you go along.
Ignore all the people who want to drag you down just concentrate on positives.
DONT FEED THE TROLLS!!! (especially not after midnight or they turn green and grow claws!!! Great 80's movie that was:P)


Live by those rules and the trolls have very little to hold against you.

mh.
Posted: 2008-05-04 18:59:56
It can be tricky to find a balance between wind up merchants after a response and people who make valid but uncomfortable points. Sometimes even the trolls make valid points! No one is forced to respond and the best way to deal with trolls is just to ignore them. Sure they might shout louder if they think they're not getting a response but they'll eventually get bored and go away. Forums are always subject to the golden rule (he who has the gold makes the rules) and the admin gets the final say. Thankfully as admin for the Bad Company forum the only type of adjudication I have to make is whether the spam registrants should be garotted or keelhauled.
David
Posted: 2008-05-07 06:50:35
well ax team,it seems we have a new one!
who is eoin?
HAWKMAN
Posted: 2008-05-07 06:51:33
lol
Liam R
Posted: 2008-05-07 07:43:39
haha

Ax Team writes:

Nathan, Its not our fault if you keep losing your password and then choose to register a different name instead of just clicking the lost password button is it?

David why dont you just put Nathan Kitchen as your name on your profile lol Ax Team took you to Chinatown oooh yes, ill probably get warning for this.

Is your real name davros? spill the beans, been said stacks above but dont feed the trolls. Trolls were funny in about the year 2000 when farhad etc had some amazing wars on here but it all got boring theres no decent trogladites at the moment worth talking about apart from one whos blately trying to impersonate someone else and stir trouble. Each troll gets found out eventually as everyone knows what shows theyre at, better to ignore them than abuse them cuz they can take you down and you cant defend yourself lol
David
Posted: 2008-05-07 08:06:41
i cant mate cause its zoes,but i have a new one now so will swap over with profile filled out.
Farhad
Posted: 2008-05-07 08:09:20
LiamR please send me a text on 07775 914155 , lets catch up on old times!!!
Also, we have a few things to discuss ;)
NMT
Posted: 2008-05-07 08:15:31
Should the schizophrenics fill out all their profiles?
dodgy price
Posted: 2008-05-07 17:31:32
As above Trolls are not funny anymore, they are parasites who only feed when people rise to the bait. Its best to ignore them its not easy to as sometimes their comments are personal and very provocative. They are sad individuals who have to hide behind a screen and would never have the balls to say what they have to say face to face. Geoff Thompson's forum had quite a few years ago.

There are a couple active on here at the moment, Eoin O'Sullivan and thaitillidie. I think if they are ever identified they should be named and shamed, or we could at least have their IP's revealed now.
dan
Posted: 2008-05-08 02:59:45
Profiles are irrelevant.

But the poster should sign his real name, instead of
a nick name. Only then will we know who we are talking to.
and that's\ the only remdy to the complaint of no accountability due to:
ridiculous nicknames which are sometimes abused to insure virtual anonymity and escape responsibility and consequences of one's words.

nicknames like "rhino", "monkey", "captain howdy doody", "el rey de maricones" or "mickey mouse" are the *real* problem here, , because the moderators will never tell you the real identity of the little punk who insults someone and then signs the insult "donald duck".


I have no profile, but use my real name, which some of you know,and many others dont-but could find out easily enough if they wanted to.

A contributor's post should stand or fall based on its ideas and content.
(instead of a person's fight record, education, age, sex or ethnic background or for goodness sakes, how photogenic they are. These are the main items ona profile anyhow.)

And some of the profiles posted are obviously lame attempts at humor which reveal nothing anyway.

I have yet to see anything on anyone's posted profile that would change my mind about the merit of the ideas they submit for discussion.

But I sure would like to know who I am truly talking to...


dan cucich (my real name)

But, I dont have a profile...
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Liam R
Posted: 2008-06-23 05:58:47
how do you put the info after ur name without a profile? never have known how 2 do that.
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