Topic:Ch 4 Babyboxing Fight Club 2 Talk Show
Ch 4 babyBoxing fight club 2 Talk show
ive been in talks with "Central ITV" for over 2 weeks now and i will be on a show with one of my parents of one of my children champions Big jake, who started training age 4 and is nearly 8
and its an open debate ref; the above Channel-4 Documentary
its filmed live in Birmingham ITV Studios and goes out this Tues: 10.00pm
a child psychologist and reporter a parent and me so far..
i / we are on the good side.........
any thing "extra" you want me to say??????????????
p.s where your company logo for 10K lol
joke :-p
Haha thats my better looking side in case you dont recognise me lol and heres "big jake"
Ch 4 babyBoxing fight club 2 Talk show
ive been in talks with "Central ITV" for over 2 weeks now and i will be on a show with one of my parents of one of my children champions Big jake, who started training age 4 and is nearly 8
and its an open debate ref; the above Channel-4 Documentary
its filmed live in Birmingham ITV Studios and goes out this Tues: 10.00pm
a child psychologist and reporter a parent and me so far..
i / we are on the good side.........
any thing "extra" you want me to say??????????????
p.s where your company logo for 10K lol
joke :-p
Good luck with the show mate
Sandy you need to make sure that what comes over in the debate is that the Muay Thai community feel that Muay Thai can be a very positive and valuable experience for children in an appropriate environment and with appropriate controls. But also do recognise that it can also be very damaging if done irresponsibly.
I personally think it is also important to make it clear that the majority of people in the community were as appalled as many of the general public were by the channel 4 programme. However, although shocking the programme may actually proven to be a good thing for Muay Thai as it has stimulated debate within the community on how to control some of the more extreme elements on the fringes of the sport.
I presume the issue of the sport being unregulated will surface during he debate and it will be important to emphasise the general consensus on rules and standards across the community. It would be also worth pointing out that self regulation has worked well over a 30 year period and the consensus of rules has made competition as safe as other martial arts such as karate and taekwondo (reference BJSM)
Sandy, you have media experience and can play a valuable role in this debate and further Muay Thai's cause and its and wider acceptance with the public if you present a balanced and considered position and attempt to represent he whole community's views. I realise it will be tempting for anyone in this position to use the debate as a platform for a little self promotion, but please don't do that. This should not be used as an opportunity for anyone to promote anything but Muay Thai in a positive light...so please don't push the Sandy brand. That is not a criticism of self-promotion or of you, self promotion has its place, but I am sure you will realise this debate isn't the place for it.
Good luck
I personally think it is also important to make it clear that the majority of people in the community were as appalled as many of the general public were by the channel 4 programme. However, although shocking the programme may actually proven to be a good thing for Muay Thai as it has stimulated debate within the community on how to control some of the more extreme elements on the fringes of the sport.
I presume the issue of the sport being unregulated will surface during he debate and it will be important to emphasise the general consensus on rules and standards across the community. It would be also worth pointing out that self regulation has worked well over a 30 year period and the consensus of rules has made competition as safe as other martial arts such as karate and taekwondo (reference BJSM)
Sandy, you have media experience and can play a valuable role in this debate and further Muay Thai's cause and its and wider acceptance with the public if you present a balanced and considered position and attempt to represent he whole community's views. I realise it will be tempting for anyone in this position to use the debate as a platform for a little self promotion, but please don't do that. This should not be used as an opportunity for anyone to promote anything but Muay Thai in a positive light...so please don't push the Sandy brand. That is not a criticism of self-promotion or of you, self promotion has its place, but I am sure you will realise this debate isn't the place for it.
Good luck
Nicely worded. If indeed this programme is to capture its audience and win them over to the simple truth that our sport is safe and its self regulation practised by the leading clubs is more than adequate. It does kind of put Sandy in a position of spokesman for the industry. His words, his actions will tar us all with the same brush.
I am confident he is more than capable to set aside the Sandy 'spin docter' and take up the mantle of an informed industry pundit with the sports best interests at heart....its really difficult typing with my fingers crossed whilst holding a rabbits foot! lol!!!!
Sandys no idiot and Im sure it'll be just fine
I am confident he is more than capable to set aside the Sandy 'spin docter' and take up the mantle of an informed industry pundit with the sports best interests at heart....its really difficult typing with my fingers crossed whilst holding a rabbits foot! lol!!!!
Sandys no idiot and Im sure it'll be just fine
Just look what happened when other people self promoted. Sandy as much as I respect you for all your achievements in your years in Muay Thai I have to disagree that you are the best person for this Job but you have pushed yourself forward. I just have a problems with your image, not sure that a plus fifty tattooed multi coloured mohican with eyes cut out in your hair is an image I would want fronting such an important subject.
I apologise if this offends but we require a media savvy representative who is very much toned down and some one the general public can relate with.
Just my opinion.
Look at what happened with other self promoting people I am sure they didn’t mean to damage the sport the love but they did and if you’re not on the ball with interviewing techniques you can be led down a blind alley very easily.
I apologise if this offends but we require a media savvy representative who is very much toned down and some one the general public can relate with.
Just my opinion.
Look at what happened with other self promoting people I am sure they didn’t mean to damage the sport the love but they did and if you’re not on the ball with interviewing techniques you can be led down a blind alley very easily.
I think it will take a very measured calm response to answer the relative questions correctly (and honestly), while showing that this is a positive sport with many other attributes that it can bring than only the fighting side of the sport. Yes, there is competition, but as you have stated in the past only about 10% of people compete.
I agree with Dave in that, although it maybe fine and dandy wearing a shiny shellsuit for the gym or wild chav-blinging gold....you should think about the perception that you are going to portray.
I know, we all know you as Sandy "McMad-Man-Mad-As-A-box-of-Frogs" Holt, but will this really come across well on TV or make us look like a circus comedy act?
This is almost an interview of acceptance by the general public, and so first impressions are PARAMOUNT, no matter how zany your personality is when people get to know you.
I am sure you will understand where I am coming from, and its mates who are trying to offer their perspective on this MAJOR media opportunity, not having a go at you or your dress sense (how ever questionable it may be!!! :P) :)
Yes - There needs to be the passion in the responses, but you dont want to be riled by some of the instigating things they may say. I mean this is a trait you could exploit if they do start to be antagonistic, is recognising it, pointing it out to the audience/viewers, say that this is a personality trait that thai boxing has taught you....and then go on to answer the question in a calm manner.
We dont want it turning in to Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle.
Good luck with the show mate, hope it all goes well.
We will all be routing for ya!
I agree with Dave in that, although it maybe fine and dandy wearing a shiny shellsuit for the gym or wild chav-blinging gold....you should think about the perception that you are going to portray.
I know, we all know you as Sandy "McMad-Man-Mad-As-A-box-of-Frogs" Holt, but will this really come across well on TV or make us look like a circus comedy act?
This is almost an interview of acceptance by the general public, and so first impressions are PARAMOUNT, no matter how zany your personality is when people get to know you.
I am sure you will understand where I am coming from, and its mates who are trying to offer their perspective on this MAJOR media opportunity, not having a go at you or your dress sense (how ever questionable it may be!!! :P) :)
Yes - There needs to be the passion in the responses, but you dont want to be riled by some of the instigating things they may say. I mean this is a trait you could exploit if they do start to be antagonistic, is recognising it, pointing it out to the audience/viewers, say that this is a personality trait that thai boxing has taught you....and then go on to answer the question in a calm manner.
We dont want it turning in to Jerry Springer or Jeremy Kyle.
Good luck with the show mate, hope it all goes well.
We will all be routing for ya!
Keep this on topic
im taking `all` your words of wisdom and comments on board and i actually appreciate what your all saying and no offence taken,I can and do handle the media pretty well, and also i will take on board what you want me to say to the media re; the "bigger picture" and muay-thai community, thanks, esp: tony myers, great post.
all i will say is dont judge a book by its cover
p.s dave Mc
if david beckham had normal hairdos would he be a better player????
all i will say is dont judge a book by its cover
p.s dave Mc
if david beckham had normal hairdos would he be a better player????
but he is younger and good looking and a role model.
Good luck
Good luck
Thre are pros and cons to this, Sandy is used to dealing with the media and I think he does a good job with his kids, both as an instructor and a mentor.
However his appearence is questionable. Would we as a community want our spokesperson to appear on TV with crazy purple hair, etc. I would have to say that is not the figure head I would want, whilst I would probably agree with most of Sandy's comments, at a time when our sport is under the spot light, a more traditonal appearance would be better.
IF we as a community asked Sandy to tone down his appearance for the sake of this documentary, would you?
On the other hand who else could and would do it (the documentary)
However his appearence is questionable. Would we as a community want our spokesperson to appear on TV with crazy purple hair, etc. I would have to say that is not the figure head I would want, whilst I would probably agree with most of Sandy's comments, at a time when our sport is under the spot light, a more traditonal appearance would be better.
IF we as a community asked Sandy to tone down his appearance for the sake of this documentary, would you?
On the other hand who else could and would do it (the documentary)
Good luck Sandy. But i agree with Tony don't turn it into a Sandy gym plug!
Sandy good luck with this mate
One bit of advice i give you from an experienced interviewer, interrogator and word twister!!! :-)
At every question - Stop, Pause, Think, Ponder, Review then......... Answer.
These people are devious and are trained as well as Police and High Court Barristers in interviews/questioning, they can turn a very simple straightforward question such as "why do you allow kids from your gym to fight" into "are you one of these barbaric child cruelty promoters" by just changing he wording slightly, catching you off guard and then making you flustered.
I can tell you that there been a few times i been cross examined by some smart arse barrister in Crown Court and had to take break because of a "wee dizzy spell" :-)
If you dont like the way they ask a question , politely ask them to rephrase it, if you dont want to answer a question say that you would rather not answer it or ask them to repeat it again to give you time to think.
You have been an ambassador for this sport for many years, promoting Muay Thai, your gym and also Sandy Holt sometimes much to the annoyance of others.
This is an opportunity for our sport to be shown in a different more balanced enviroment.
You are speaking for us all, for your Master (remember the chains) and also your students who think very highly of you. You are not speaking for Saandy Holt.
Chok Dii
One bit of advice i give you from an experienced interviewer, interrogator and word twister!!! :-)
At every question - Stop, Pause, Think, Ponder, Review then......... Answer.
These people are devious and are trained as well as Police and High Court Barristers in interviews/questioning, they can turn a very simple straightforward question such as "why do you allow kids from your gym to fight" into "are you one of these barbaric child cruelty promoters" by just changing he wording slightly, catching you off guard and then making you flustered.
I can tell you that there been a few times i been cross examined by some smart arse barrister in Crown Court and had to take break because of a "wee dizzy spell" :-)
If you dont like the way they ask a question , politely ask them to rephrase it, if you dont want to answer a question say that you would rather not answer it or ask them to repeat it again to give you time to think.
You have been an ambassador for this sport for many years, promoting Muay Thai, your gym and also Sandy Holt sometimes much to the annoyance of others.
This is an opportunity for our sport to be shown in a different more balanced enviroment.
You are speaking for us all, for your Master (remember the chains) and also your students who think very highly of you. You are not speaking for Saandy Holt.
Chok Dii
Oh and Sandy
If you want some tips in handling the interview please call(just not at 3.30 am and not on sunday as i have my daughters 1st holy communion this week)
I am sure you will do just fine mate, but i am offering advice as an Expert witness for Crown Court Drugs matters, have experience with the press/ media at a high level and am also a fellow Kru Muay who loves this art as it has provided me with so much.
Lee
07792204881
If you want some tips in handling the interview please call(just not at 3.30 am and not on sunday as i have my daughters 1st holy communion this week)
I am sure you will do just fine mate, but i am offering advice as an Expert witness for Crown Court Drugs matters, have experience with the press/ media at a high level and am also a fellow Kru Muay who loves this art as it has provided me with so much.
Lee
07792204881
What are you doing on Monday Lee? :)
Sandy don't even think of saying Sandy Holt from Bolton Thai Boxing blah blah. It's only a few years ago you was promoting a 5 year British title don't let them link the two or you will be in for an hard time. I agree you are the man for the job with the media but the looks please, please just go with a normalish haircut. David Beckham doesn't even border on the ridiculous and you are the ridiculous on that front.We all know you so except it as part of you. But on TV on a debate a 50 year sex pistols look alike is not going to persuade the public we are serious.
I like you the way you are it's good having a mad friend haha but a nice suit toned down hair will go a long way on this occassion. But please don't put a wig on haha
I like you the way you are it's good having a mad friend haha but a nice suit toned down hair will go a long way on this occassion. But please don't put a wig on haha
Have to go to work Dave, got a presentation for the top Brass monday and tuesday :(
Sandy will do fine as long as he slows down and thinks.
His image wont be a problem, it will show that Thai Boxing/Muay Thai is also a bit of fun for the people involved and although we take it seriously when competing we are human beings not violent monsters or superheroes as portrayed in films etc.
If i went they would say in 1996 you looked like this ----- and then 2008 like this ------- how has Muay Thai benefitted you ?????? (lol)
I may call Sandy tommorow and have a chat (am i mad???)
Sandy will do fine as long as he slows down and thinks.
His image wont be a problem, it will show that Thai Boxing/Muay Thai is also a bit of fun for the people involved and although we take it seriously when competing we are human beings not violent monsters or superheroes as portrayed in films etc.
If i went they would say in 1996 you looked like this ----- and then 2008 like this ------- how has Muay Thai benefitted you ?????? (lol)
I may call Sandy tommorow and have a chat (am i mad???)
Come on Children
Lets all sing.........................
He's got the whole world in his hands
the muay thai world in his hands
Hes got the whole world in his hands
the whole world in his hands..................................................
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Lets all sing.........................
He's got the whole world in his hands
the muay thai world in his hands
Hes got the whole world in his hands
the whole world in his hands..................................................
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Ah no..... its catching............................the madness
Lol
Lol
Sandy, you will be fantastic, I`ve no doubt about it.
I think when push comes to shove, Sandy will realise this is a big chance for MT and will not do/say anything daft.
I agree with the change of image for this though. You may say "but that is me, why should I change my look?". Well, just remember this is about MT not Sandy Holt and that is what it comes down to, but I think you know that already.
Will it only be on Central ITV?
P.S. How come you can type normally when you want, but 99% of the time your typing is complete gobbledygook?
I think when push comes to shove, Sandy will realise this is a big chance for MT and will not do/say anything daft.
I agree with the change of image for this though. You may say "but that is me, why should I change my look?". Well, just remember this is about MT not Sandy Holt and that is what it comes down to, but I think you know that already.
Will it only be on Central ITV?
P.S. How come you can type normally when you want, but 99% of the time your typing is complete gobbledygook?
Colin.H
Posted: 2008-05-09 16:25:37
Posted: 2008-05-09 16:25:37
Sandy. People actually DO judge a book by it's cover. (1st impressions and all that).
when doing the ch4 documentry, i found it helped not making eyecontact to long with the interviewer because they try to encourage you to say more. i found it easy by answering the questions,short but sweet. make your point and get on with the next question. if they ask a question which you dont feel comfortable with then dont answer it! i was contacted again yesturday and asked if i would like to go on the program but i refused. good luck sandy your a brave fella...
nikki
nikki
Seems to me that if all goes well (good luck by the way) the old baby fight club documentry has helped promote and bring the sport to the public areana.
How many clubs have had more enquiries??
I think its a channel 4 backfire myself.
Dont worry about the hair! As long as you get across the fact your passionate about the sport and nurture the youngsters thats all that matters.
If people dont like it...........FUCK EM!!
All the best Sandy
Regards
Dean
How many clubs have had more enquiries??
I think its a channel 4 backfire myself.
Dont worry about the hair! As long as you get across the fact your passionate about the sport and nurture the youngsters thats all that matters.
If people dont like it...........FUCK EM!!
All the best Sandy
Regards
Dean
if you can make them laugh with some of your answers thats a big bonus. answer a question with a question, it confuses them for a minute haha ( that worked every time )
Yeah thats right, fuck those who dont like the hair when you have thousands of people watching.
That one statement just about sums up why MT is niche, unknown to the general public and will continue to be so with that sort of attitude.
That one statement just about sums up why MT is niche, unknown to the general public and will continue to be so with that sort of attitude.
"if people don't like the hair Fuck 'em." Great, like the balls in our court right now.
Listen, Just get the positive message over without going into a self publicising scenario. The picture is bigger than any one individual and we can't very well "fuck" any body. No one actually cares about what one or two individuals are doing, they just want to know that the sport is ok with the majority.
No one will care about anything if the message is right. True, we could do without the soppy haircuts but as long as the messags is correct thats fine.
But don't knock what has to happen. You sound like a 14 yr old.
Listen, Just get the positive message over without going into a self publicising scenario. The picture is bigger than any one individual and we can't very well "fuck" any body. No one actually cares about what one or two individuals are doing, they just want to know that the sport is ok with the majority.
No one will care about anything if the message is right. True, we could do without the soppy haircuts but as long as the messags is correct thats fine.
But don't knock what has to happen. You sound like a 14 yr old.
Sandy i like you, we like you, but we know you too ok and i would not put this its about the lively hoods of many of the coaches on here,please convey it as a whole not about you,example when Gav was fighting Gena you talked about you with Sugar ray leonard doing press ups the relevance being what??..please don,t think its a dig its not seeing you through new eyes as in "crazy hair" etc people will judge the sport from what they see the old thing of "eating with their eyes"..like Colin said others do judge through what they see,yes its shallow but its honest i would leave this to blow over as the tv show was not as bad hope you do a good job its lives of people who count on this as a career x
Sandy you will get negative and postive comments! so stick 2 your guns, because by wednesday you will be the best thing since sliced bread fella!!!
thankyou thankyou thankyou some Great feedback and really helping me prepare for battle im in training
mentally and physically.......!
welsh eagle Top posts, thankyou sir :)
Nikki
Fantastic comments / advice, and thanks :)
Iam used to the media and only last year channel 5 did the doc: on me and 2 others and i felt i did ok and even though they spent 3 months with me on and off, they didnt get anything out of me to make me look bad or evil or stupid
as many times they asked to film me and i said NO to certain places and situs:
Re: this Debate, it was me that gave them your number ( Terrys ) indirectly and
indeed ALL the people on the show too, as ive got most their numbers/contacts and instructors etc:
None want to go on????
Strange but also i understand fully, Once bitten twice shy and wary you will be !
Chalky Thankyou sir
Nige thankyou too !
Dean thankyou :-)))))
Phil great post fella and thankyou very much !
Colin and Guys,and ref: the Hair ? impressions ??????
1.Hair? its me and my knowledge and brain and heart on this prog: not my hairstyle!
if i was bald, would i be deamed a thug? a lot of you are (lol bald, not a thug.)
2. tattoos?
a lot of you have more aggressive tattoos, mine are and can be covered ( only at top of arms )
3. appearance?
ive already asked the producer whats the dress code?
i asked could i wear a suit?
they said smart casual?
im taking both !
4. so whats the child psychologist going to look like ?
lol
bald?
combover?
geek?
hey lets not judge a book by its cover lol
and Phil
see i can be
art
arti
artic
articu
articul
articula
articulate when its needed :-p
Ax for most is a playground, i have no hobbies as thai-boxing is my hobby
so i play on here "most of the time"
This is for Central itv only
wont even reach BOLTON so why should i promote B.t.b.club?
i will get no extra students from it at all.
and Vinster i commentate with you and im the serious one remember????
your the jokey sidekick,plus what comments did say on Eurosport?
all thai / k1?
im sure a few realtives came out
sugar rays a boxer and you and i both know, you Cannott commentate 100% on 1 subject without refference to simalarites and experiences !!!!!
also vinny what do you do for a carrear/
ive done this for 30 years and 20 professionally
im going nowhere else selling nothing else and wnat us all to do well
no singlre person will ever be bigger than even the words
muay-thai
relax
i will do my berst for you and for ALL
promise !
again thanks
for all comments "everyones"
p.s. if you want my place?
you think you can do it better?
ring me
i will gladly offer you the slot
and give you ITVs number of the 2 ladies running the show
theres still time to replace me.
But for now im "more" than happy to do it
mentally and physically.......!
welsh eagle Top posts, thankyou sir :)
Nikki
Fantastic comments / advice, and thanks :)
Iam used to the media and only last year channel 5 did the doc: on me and 2 others and i felt i did ok and even though they spent 3 months with me on and off, they didnt get anything out of me to make me look bad or evil or stupid
as many times they asked to film me and i said NO to certain places and situs:
Re: this Debate, it was me that gave them your number ( Terrys ) indirectly and
indeed ALL the people on the show too, as ive got most their numbers/contacts and instructors etc:
None want to go on????
Strange but also i understand fully, Once bitten twice shy and wary you will be !
Chalky Thankyou sir
Nige thankyou too !
Dean thankyou :-)))))
Phil great post fella and thankyou very much !
Colin and Guys,and ref: the Hair ? impressions ??????
1.Hair? its me and my knowledge and brain and heart on this prog: not my hairstyle!
if i was bald, would i be deamed a thug? a lot of you are (lol bald, not a thug.)
2. tattoos?
a lot of you have more aggressive tattoos, mine are and can be covered ( only at top of arms )
3. appearance?
ive already asked the producer whats the dress code?
i asked could i wear a suit?
they said smart casual?
im taking both !
4. so whats the child psychologist going to look like ?
lol
bald?
combover?
geek?
hey lets not judge a book by its cover lol
and Phil
see i can be
art
arti
artic
articu
articul
articula
articulate when its needed :-p
Ax for most is a playground, i have no hobbies as thai-boxing is my hobby
so i play on here "most of the time"
This is for Central itv only
wont even reach BOLTON so why should i promote B.t.b.club?
i will get no extra students from it at all.
and Vinster i commentate with you and im the serious one remember????
your the jokey sidekick,plus what comments did say on Eurosport?
all thai / k1?
im sure a few realtives came out
sugar rays a boxer and you and i both know, you Cannott commentate 100% on 1 subject without refference to simalarites and experiences !!!!!
also vinny what do you do for a carrear/
ive done this for 30 years and 20 professionally
im going nowhere else selling nothing else and wnat us all to do well
no singlre person will ever be bigger than even the words
muay-thai
relax
i will do my berst for you and for ALL
promise !
again thanks
for all comments "everyones"
p.s. if you want my place?
you think you can do it better?
ring me
i will gladly offer you the slot
and give you ITVs number of the 2 ladies running the show
theres still time to replace me.
But for now im "more" than happy to do it
your welcome.....
Sandy fair play do your best thats all,good luck x
Colin.H
Posted: 2008-05-10 01:49:18
Posted: 2008-05-10 01:49:18
Sandy. I was commenting more on attitude. Even by saying "don't judge a book by it's cover" it suggests that your look doesn't reflect the true you.
It's ok for us who know you, but for most of the viewers they are 'starting from scratch' with you.
To take on a task of representing more than just yourself and your own interests it is important to appreciate how those you are representing would like to be represented. If it doesn't matter to you how we want to be represented the thread would be pointless.
When you have an image like yours, it is not for no reason. You are sending messages and making statements. People will judge the book by it's cover, and people who don't know you perceive you a lot differently than you perceive yourself.
I hope the show goes great for you (and MT).
Col
It's ok for us who know you, but for most of the viewers they are 'starting from scratch' with you.
To take on a task of representing more than just yourself and your own interests it is important to appreciate how those you are representing would like to be represented. If it doesn't matter to you how we want to be represented the thread would be pointless.
When you have an image like yours, it is not for no reason. You are sending messages and making statements. People will judge the book by it's cover, and people who don't know you perceive you a lot differently than you perceive yourself.
I hope the show goes great for you (and MT).
Col
"wont even reach BOLTON so why should i promote B.t.b.club?
i will get no extra students from it at all."
Then why do you put sandy-holt stickers all over Thailand? :) LOL
Can I just mention a couple of programmes and tell me what "image" you get (word-association)?
- Question Time
- Newsnight
- Parkinson
- Tweenies
- Cee Bee Bee's
This is a rehtorical question, but will highlight how much people rely on image and what they see.
Hope all goes well mate.
Chokdee
i will get no extra students from it at all."
Then why do you put sandy-holt stickers all over Thailand? :) LOL
Can I just mention a couple of programmes and tell me what "image" you get (word-association)?
- Question Time
- Newsnight
- Parkinson
- Tweenies
- Cee Bee Bee's
This is a rehtorical question, but will highlight how much people rely on image and what they see.
Hope all goes well mate.
Chokdee
Didnt meen to be dismissive. 14year old? not quite but wish I was.
The people who are worried about the image of Sandy because of his hair are probably of the same age as the people who will not be drawn to the sport no matter what. Its because of AGE!
Im no whipper snapper but I DO NOT judge or stereotype. A monk has a bald head. Does that make him less of a person than the local vicar?
Please its my opinion.
Regards
Dean
The people who are worried about the image of Sandy because of his hair are probably of the same age as the people who will not be drawn to the sport no matter what. Its because of AGE!
Im no whipper snapper but I DO NOT judge or stereotype. A monk has a bald head. Does that make him less of a person than the local vicar?
Please its my opinion.
Regards
Dean
Sandy I will come on with you!You get me a place and I will be there in suit!
This isnt to do with an individuals acceptance of stereotypes, this is more to do with the media's perception of the viewing public wanting to create a whacky roadshow and pump up viewing figures.
I think the media have an impression that they can twist an image to suit their agenda, and that the viewing public do not think for themselves.
What people do is form an opinion of someone in the first few milli-seconds, based on the visual. No point walking in to a trap.
JMHO
I think the media have an impression that they can twist an image to suit their agenda, and that the viewing public do not think for themselves.
What people do is form an opinion of someone in the first few milli-seconds, based on the visual. No point walking in to a trap.
JMHO
Thats thee hammer mr ashton!!! haha.....
billybigconkers
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:03:49
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:03:49
lol don't know if this post will even be read in light of the recent blank profiles thread
no offense intended to anyone
mr holt good luck with this, i hope u can find the clouds silver lining with this debate, positive promotion of the sport, i don't know you but your passios is evident, i hope it's carries over onto the screen
if i could make a suggestion i'd say mr cadden would be a good candidate...again don't know him from adam but from reading a few of his posts on ax he seems like a well rounded, intelligent and articulate guy..
think i read that he was nominated for local sportsperson of the year in his area as well?...imo that would be a plus when introduced..up against main stream sports etc angle
whatever happens i wish u all the best and hope u can turn the frowns upside down :)
no offense intended to anyone
mr holt good luck with this, i hope u can find the clouds silver lining with this debate, positive promotion of the sport, i don't know you but your passios is evident, i hope it's carries over onto the screen
if i could make a suggestion i'd say mr cadden would be a good candidate...again don't know him from adam but from reading a few of his posts on ax he seems like a well rounded, intelligent and articulate guy..
think i read that he was nominated for local sportsperson of the year in his area as well?...imo that would be a plus when introduced..up against main stream sports etc angle
whatever happens i wish u all the best and hope u can turn the frowns upside down :)
billybigconkers
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:06:16
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:06:16
lol meant to say ..but your passion's evident
billybigconkers
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:07:31
Posted: 2008-05-10 07:07:31
lol meant to say ..but your passion's evident
dean perks
First impressions are everything in business and in personnel life. In so many situations in business you do not have time to get to know the person you are dealing with you judge the book by its cover we are all guilty of it and at times it pays off others then we live and die by our mistakes.
Image is everything to the media look at your average chav now put him in a suit what does he look like… a chav with a court appearance.
I have been in sales for 20 years, sales person, sales manager, sales director and I still have an idea of the candidate that turns up for a job interview the second I look at him. I refused to interview one lad once because he had dirty shoes he said he hadn’t had time to clean them before he left home for the interview. (Plank)
People by from people they like that is the most basic principle of selling and that’s what’s about to happen in any debate people will look at see what they see.
First impressions are everything in business and in personnel life. In so many situations in business you do not have time to get to know the person you are dealing with you judge the book by its cover we are all guilty of it and at times it pays off others then we live and die by our mistakes.
Image is everything to the media look at your average chav now put him in a suit what does he look like… a chav with a court appearance.
I have been in sales for 20 years, sales person, sales manager, sales director and I still have an idea of the candidate that turns up for a job interview the second I look at him. I refused to interview one lad once because he had dirty shoes he said he hadn’t had time to clean them before he left home for the interview. (Plank)
People by from people they like that is the most basic principle of selling and that’s what’s about to happen in any debate people will look at see what they see.
Sandy did you get my e-mail?
Sandy the image will be fine dont change for anyone it will show the fun not too serious side as i said earlier.
You are quite softly spoken which will help with the image thing, the hair will be a talking point so use it to OUR advantage, show some pictures if you can of the Thai people enjoying your hair, smiles and all! With the kids laughing or amazed at the hair, it will show the mixed demographioc of our society and also the lighter side of Muay Thai.
Push forward your charity events and also other things that you know have been done by our community relating to Charity fundraising, helping people back on their feet (Master Sken and Dave Croft's story, maybe worth asking Dave and M .Sken if you can mention that)
How many of us were on the road to nowhere before we found Muay Thai? (or Muay Thai found us?) maybe a few lines from all of us about the benefits Muay Thai has brought to us as individuals so Sandy can use that as reference for some questions, come on folks lets work together and help Sandy to help us, not knock him cos he got crazy hair and is a mental case.
Use Kicking 4 Cancer and Rich Westons passion for that(Get Rich's permission first though), include the support that he had from us all on events, how much money has been raised anyone know?
Rich? Master Sken? Sandy?
If they start pushing you about the violent aspects ask them why? ask them if they want to show a balanced view or are they only interested in the violence aspect, that will shut them up mate.
Oh, and by the way, everyone, you can bet your bottom dollar that they research this forum, other forums, your own forums, websites and blogs weeks or months before they even invite anyone to do a programme!!!
Knowledge is power.
You are quite softly spoken which will help with the image thing, the hair will be a talking point so use it to OUR advantage, show some pictures if you can of the Thai people enjoying your hair, smiles and all! With the kids laughing or amazed at the hair, it will show the mixed demographioc of our society and also the lighter side of Muay Thai.
Push forward your charity events and also other things that you know have been done by our community relating to Charity fundraising, helping people back on their feet (Master Sken and Dave Croft's story, maybe worth asking Dave and M .Sken if you can mention that)
How many of us were on the road to nowhere before we found Muay Thai? (or Muay Thai found us?) maybe a few lines from all of us about the benefits Muay Thai has brought to us as individuals so Sandy can use that as reference for some questions, come on folks lets work together and help Sandy to help us, not knock him cos he got crazy hair and is a mental case.
Use Kicking 4 Cancer and Rich Westons passion for that(Get Rich's permission first though), include the support that he had from us all on events, how much money has been raised anyone know?
Rich? Master Sken? Sandy?
If they start pushing you about the violent aspects ask them why? ask them if they want to show a balanced view or are they only interested in the violence aspect, that will shut them up mate.
Oh, and by the way, everyone, you can bet your bottom dollar that they research this forum, other forums, your own forums, websites and blogs weeks or months before they even invite anyone to do a programme!!!
Knowledge is power.
Sandy the image will be fine dont change for anyone it will show the fun not too serious side as i said earlier.
You are quite softly spoken which will help with the image thing, the hair will be a talking point so use it to OUR advantage, show some pictures if you can of the Thai people enjoying your hair, smiles and all! With the kids laughing or amazed at the hair, it will show the mixed demographioc of our society and also the lighter side of Muay Thai.
Push forward your charity events and also other things that you know have been done by our community relating to Charity fundraising, helping people back on their feet (Master Sken and Dave Croft's story, maybe worth asking Dave and M .Sken if you can mention that)
How many of us were on the road to nowhere before we found Muay Thai? (or Muay Thai found us?) maybe a few lines from all of us about the benefits Muay Thai has brought to us as individuals so Sandy can use that as reference for some questions, come on folks lets work together and help Sandy to help us, not knock him cos he got crazy hair and is a mental case.
Use Kicking 4 Cancer and Rich Westons passion for that(Get Rich's permission first though), include the support that he had from us all on events, how much money has been raised anyone know?
Rich? Master Sken? Sandy?
If they start pushing you about the violent aspects ask them why? ask them if they want to show a balanced view or are they only interested in the violence aspect, that will shut them up mate.
Oh, and by the way, everyone, you can bet your bottom dollar that they research this forum, other forums, your own forums, websites and blogs weeks or months before they even invite anyone to do a programme!!!
Knowledge is power.
You are quite softly spoken which will help with the image thing, the hair will be a talking point so use it to OUR advantage, show some pictures if you can of the Thai people enjoying your hair, smiles and all! With the kids laughing or amazed at the hair, it will show the mixed demographioc of our society and also the lighter side of Muay Thai.
Push forward your charity events and also other things that you know have been done by our community relating to Charity fundraising, helping people back on their feet (Master Sken and Dave Croft's story, maybe worth asking Dave and M .Sken if you can mention that)
How many of us were on the road to nowhere before we found Muay Thai? (or Muay Thai found us?) maybe a few lines from all of us about the benefits Muay Thai has brought to us as individuals so Sandy can use that as reference for some questions, come on folks lets work together and help Sandy to help us, not knock him cos he got crazy hair and is a mental case.
Use Kicking 4 Cancer and Rich Westons passion for that(Get Rich's permission first though), include the support that he had from us all on events, how much money has been raised anyone know?
Rich? Master Sken? Sandy?
If they start pushing you about the violent aspects ask them why? ask them if they want to show a balanced view or are they only interested in the violence aspect, that will shut them up mate.
Oh, and by the way, everyone, you can bet your bottom dollar that they research this forum, other forums, your own forums, websites and blogs weeks or months before they even invite anyone to do a programme!!!
Knowledge is power.
David Mc-Point taken!
While I agree with you 100% in your instance the difference is IMO Sandy will have the oppertunity to put his personality and knowledge over. I assume he has these atributes.LOL
I am still however of the opinion that any publicity is good publicity!
Back to my earlier question.Have enquiries to gym's gone up or down since baby fight club?
The answer could be valuable to Sandy's case.
Regards
Dean
While I agree with you 100% in your instance the difference is IMO Sandy will have the oppertunity to put his personality and knowledge over. I assume he has these atributes.LOL
I am still however of the opinion that any publicity is good publicity!
Back to my earlier question.Have enquiries to gym's gone up or down since baby fight club?
The answer could be valuable to Sandy's case.
Regards
Dean
Yes enquirys are up.
I had a guy the other day ask me if I would teach a 2 year old !
:(
I had a guy the other day ask me if I would teach a 2 year old !
:(
Good luck Sandy.
enquirys are up with us as well
Hi Sandy
I am not sure if you got my e-mail or not mate as you haven't managed to reply yet and not really sure if the address I have for you is redundant or not. I wanted to make sure you knew what I had said in a interview for the ITV debate re Muay Thai. I was contacted last Monday after they had spoken to Pete Crooke and he gave them my number, I was interviewed at home last Tuesday. I did speak to a couple of people who I know are involved with teaching children to get their views before doing the interview. I thought it might be useful before the actual debate for you to have an idea what I had said.
The interview was about 30 minutes long but they definitely won't show all of it and will edit it considerably. So I don't know exactly what bits will be shown. I know Ellis Cashmore (Sociologist/psychologist) from Staffordshire University was also interviewed, as was someone from Melton Mowbray so perhaps Mark and Thai again. I am not sure what Ellis will have said, but I presume it may not be that supportive (as far as I am aware he thinks competition for children in any sport can be damaging...which would not harm our case if he makes that point as it is an extreme view suggesting all junior sport not just MuayThai could be damaging). I was quite guarded in my responses but tried to be realistic and honest.
I responded to a all questions asked this involved giving some background to the sport and highlighting some differences in the socio-economic status between Thailand and here. I was asked about aggression and told them that the sport didn’t promote aggression in my opinion, as along with a general philosophy of respect and self discipline it was unproductive in competition. I pointed out that some of the very best champions in the sport were unassuming and not aggressive and provided positive role models. I did say I currently had a student conducting research into aggression in different sports and her conclusions had been that the tennis player felt aggression was more a more important part of their sport than did the martial artist (who happened to be a cage fighter but I omitted to mention that bit). I avoided giving any firm answer on the age for head contact and suggested it was currently being debated within the community. I conceded that some young men enjoy aggression and physical contact and said like in other sports such as Rugby and football MuayThai could provide an outlet for this as long as it was done in a controlled and disciplined way. I was asked if it was possible for competitors to get knocked out, I said yes in senior competition but that it was not that common in well matched bouts. I also pointed out that the predominant target area in MuayThai is the body and that knees and kicks to the body are generally the technique of choice for scoring.
I highlighted the results of two studies one on the impact of Muay Thai on teenage Thai Nak Muay which suggested there were no negative physical impacts of MuayThai compared to a control group but some positive ones in terms of fitness and lower body fat. I pointed out that the second study conducted here in the UK on professional and amateur participants suggested similar injuries and incident rates as karate and Taekwondo.
On the issue of children I said there were many positive benefits to training but in my opinion as a sport psychologist, skill development rather than winning should be emphasised (something that is healthy for all ages). On the question of age I said my own view was that competition can be appropriate to motivate children but they shouldn’t be pressured into it by anyone. I did say my view again as a sport psychologist was that children should not compete on adults shows but it should be more of an activity with other competitors, supportive friends and family members watching rather than being a spectator sport for adults. However, I pointed out there was currently a debate within the community on a number of these issues. I also explained that people within the community were concerned by the programme and keen as a whole to address the issues raised.
I told the interviewer that the within the MuayThai community there were many responsible and professional people involved from all walks of life. I hope the interview comes over as professional and considered but we will have to see. They may not even choose to use it or use very little of it, it depends on their agenda I suppose.
Hope the information helps mate
Good Luck
I am sure you will do a good job
I am not sure if you got my e-mail or not mate as you haven't managed to reply yet and not really sure if the address I have for you is redundant or not. I wanted to make sure you knew what I had said in a interview for the ITV debate re Muay Thai. I was contacted last Monday after they had spoken to Pete Crooke and he gave them my number, I was interviewed at home last Tuesday. I did speak to a couple of people who I know are involved with teaching children to get their views before doing the interview. I thought it might be useful before the actual debate for you to have an idea what I had said.
The interview was about 30 minutes long but they definitely won't show all of it and will edit it considerably. So I don't know exactly what bits will be shown. I know Ellis Cashmore (Sociologist/psychologist) from Staffordshire University was also interviewed, as was someone from Melton Mowbray so perhaps Mark and Thai again. I am not sure what Ellis will have said, but I presume it may not be that supportive (as far as I am aware he thinks competition for children in any sport can be damaging...which would not harm our case if he makes that point as it is an extreme view suggesting all junior sport not just MuayThai could be damaging). I was quite guarded in my responses but tried to be realistic and honest.
I responded to a all questions asked this involved giving some background to the sport and highlighting some differences in the socio-economic status between Thailand and here. I was asked about aggression and told them that the sport didn’t promote aggression in my opinion, as along with a general philosophy of respect and self discipline it was unproductive in competition. I pointed out that some of the very best champions in the sport were unassuming and not aggressive and provided positive role models. I did say I currently had a student conducting research into aggression in different sports and her conclusions had been that the tennis player felt aggression was more a more important part of their sport than did the martial artist (who happened to be a cage fighter but I omitted to mention that bit). I avoided giving any firm answer on the age for head contact and suggested it was currently being debated within the community. I conceded that some young men enjoy aggression and physical contact and said like in other sports such as Rugby and football MuayThai could provide an outlet for this as long as it was done in a controlled and disciplined way. I was asked if it was possible for competitors to get knocked out, I said yes in senior competition but that it was not that common in well matched bouts. I also pointed out that the predominant target area in MuayThai is the body and that knees and kicks to the body are generally the technique of choice for scoring.
I highlighted the results of two studies one on the impact of Muay Thai on teenage Thai Nak Muay which suggested there were no negative physical impacts of MuayThai compared to a control group but some positive ones in terms of fitness and lower body fat. I pointed out that the second study conducted here in the UK on professional and amateur participants suggested similar injuries and incident rates as karate and Taekwondo.
On the issue of children I said there were many positive benefits to training but in my opinion as a sport psychologist, skill development rather than winning should be emphasised (something that is healthy for all ages). On the question of age I said my own view was that competition can be appropriate to motivate children but they shouldn’t be pressured into it by anyone. I did say my view again as a sport psychologist was that children should not compete on adults shows but it should be more of an activity with other competitors, supportive friends and family members watching rather than being a spectator sport for adults. However, I pointed out there was currently a debate within the community on a number of these issues. I also explained that people within the community were concerned by the programme and keen as a whole to address the issues raised.
I told the interviewer that the within the MuayThai community there were many responsible and professional people involved from all walks of life. I hope the interview comes over as professional and considered but we will have to see. They may not even choose to use it or use very little of it, it depends on their agenda I suppose.
Hope the information helps mate
Good Luck
I am sure you will do a good job
Enquiries up at two clubs and more publicity in the Midlands on Tuesday.
Its all good. Use that Sandy! If the public are against it then why are enquiries up. And I wont beleive that its because people had never heard of it before.
P.S If your not in the Central region you should be able to get it on itv catch up @ itv.com after it is aired.
Regards
Dean
Its all good. Use that Sandy! If the public are against it then why are enquiries up. And I wont beleive that its because people had never heard of it before.
P.S If your not in the Central region you should be able to get it on itv catch up @ itv.com after it is aired.
Regards
Dean
"as far as I am aware he thinks competition for children in any sport can be damaging..."
IMHO, There has to be a certain amount of realism, and promoting non-scored matches in football/rugby or whatever sport will damage kids more long-term. Theres a part of life that dictates there are winners and losers in any situation.
Wrapping kids up in cotton-wool and saying "everyones a winner"....I think it will become a major shock when they step in to the REAL world and realise there are winners and losers, and people DO keep score. I think it will be an earth-shattering, confidence-shaking episode that will limit the childs personal development.
I got an e-mail a few months ago which detailed the "risks" kids in the 60's/70's/80's took, which we deemed to be normal. Such as making our own go-karts (and then figuring out we had forgotten brakes), drinking from a hose-pipe, going out all day and only coming home when the sun set, having a fist-fight with our mates, parents siding with the police and giving us a clip round the ear etc....
Its this generation of "risk-takers" that has developed some of the greatest inventors/innovators and businessmen and women of the current economic status of this country.
If the nanny-state want to wrap up our kids in cotton-wool, I can already see a generation of pen-pushers/call-centre workers and 9-5ers stuck in the rat-race being too scared to take ANY degree of risk, nevermind free-thinking ....or even having aspirations of setting up their own business.
Again, this is merely my 2-penneth. :)
IMHO, There has to be a certain amount of realism, and promoting non-scored matches in football/rugby or whatever sport will damage kids more long-term. Theres a part of life that dictates there are winners and losers in any situation.
Wrapping kids up in cotton-wool and saying "everyones a winner"....I think it will become a major shock when they step in to the REAL world and realise there are winners and losers, and people DO keep score. I think it will be an earth-shattering, confidence-shaking episode that will limit the childs personal development.
I got an e-mail a few months ago which detailed the "risks" kids in the 60's/70's/80's took, which we deemed to be normal. Such as making our own go-karts (and then figuring out we had forgotten brakes), drinking from a hose-pipe, going out all day and only coming home when the sun set, having a fist-fight with our mates, parents siding with the police and giving us a clip round the ear etc....
Its this generation of "risk-takers" that has developed some of the greatest inventors/innovators and businessmen and women of the current economic status of this country.
If the nanny-state want to wrap up our kids in cotton-wool, I can already see a generation of pen-pushers/call-centre workers and 9-5ers stuck in the rat-race being too scared to take ANY degree of risk, nevermind free-thinking ....or even having aspirations of setting up their own business.
Again, this is merely my 2-penneth. :)
Original bulldog has had at least 8 people join since the program including a couple of adults. Maybe you could invite the concerned factions down to a gym and let them see for themselves. I know terry would be willing to let them come down at anytime. They could watch connor take the kids class.
Connor teaches like a pro! lol you could here a pin drop in the class, he has between 15-20 kids and everyone of them loves it. in the class connor takes the warm up, then a couple of relay games then he helps with technique and bag work (going round to each person and helping them if need be) then terry or one of the senior trainers take the sparring, then connor does the warm down at the end.
muay thai has given my son confidence, consentration, disapline and respect for others and he is very happy doing it.
It keeps him off the streets, which worry me more than him competing in the ring. He wears all safety equipment and he is in a safe controlled enviroment, with superb role models.
Nikki
Connor teaches like a pro! lol you could here a pin drop in the class, he has between 15-20 kids and everyone of them loves it. in the class connor takes the warm up, then a couple of relay games then he helps with technique and bag work (going round to each person and helping them if need be) then terry or one of the senior trainers take the sparring, then connor does the warm down at the end.
muay thai has given my son confidence, consentration, disapline and respect for others and he is very happy doing it.
It keeps him off the streets, which worry me more than him competing in the ring. He wears all safety equipment and he is in a safe controlled enviroment, with superb role models.
Nikki
Noi great post and how true it is… today’s society is so wrong oops better watch what I am saying in case I infringe any ones human rights.
I agree completely Rich, I think by facing a certain level of risk, children learn to assess risk in a realistic common sense way and also learn how to reduce risk while still achieving their goals. I would suggest it is our litigation driven society that drives an obsession with safety to stifling levels. I don't know what Ellis Cashmore's argument will be against MuayThai (if he has one). I don't think he is against competition as such (he was a martial artist himself I think) or against children participating in sport either; just that in his opinion sporting competition can damage children psychologically but I don't know what angle he will take. I have to agree there is research and anecdotal evidence that an over emphasis on winning can lead to significant loss of motivation and high attrition rates in sport for children. I personally think in the appropriate motivational climate competition is beneficial for children, when children are psychologically ready for it (this can vary from child to child). I am not sure I completely agree that playing only non-competitive sport would damage children psychologically, but it certainly would deprive them of some valuable lessons in life. Learning to win and lose and then to grow emotionally are important for other aspects of life. To be honest whatever adults to keep things non-competitive, some children will be competitive anyway...and in some quite creative ways. Certainly there is significant anecdotal evidence of the confidence success brings to other areas of an individual's life; something Nikki suggests is evident with Connor.
original bulldog d make me laught so fuuny see the training on television look likes hard wok for him to even lift arm
haha muppet.....
Sandy wear a suit kill the hair and you will be the dogs bs mate, the only one
who had more dealings with the media than any of us, but were as we are used
to your madness, the normal everydayers will have a fookin heart attack mate
your hairs getting boring now you need a change lol best wishes and good luck
mate.
who had more dealings with the media than any of us, but were as we are used
to your madness, the normal everydayers will have a fookin heart attack mate
your hairs getting boring now you need a change lol best wishes and good luck
mate.
Noi and Tony, double read your posts ( and everyones )
thankyou and thankyou again, gret posts and advice !!!!! :-)
As ive mentioned,
im getting ready and in training for this, im mentally prepared and physically ready ! ( an understatmemt ) not that the physical will be used of course lol
and ive suit and shirt hung up ready,On the 4 person T.V debate tues: eve: on the Good side we have a parent from my gym they have chosen, he is the father of one of my juniors and does the junior interclubs / fighter and has 4 years exp: at my gym in thai-boxing, and had graded etc:
with approx 30 interclubs ( no esissions ) and about 6 + with, also a junoir british champion, he supports and moreso understands whats going on re; this programme and having spent the last 3 days discussing this with him ( jeff, big jakes dad ) and a further 2 hours on the phone just now, forearming ourselves with all the questions? and possibilities of trick questions as well as the reality of the negativity thrown at us surrounding the channel-4 documentary and its repercussions etc:we are ready.
Once again thankyou ALL for the great feedback and help re;
this debate, and im going to do my utmost best to answer as only the best i know
iam very serious about what ive done all these years, take away the bright colours of armour, and you get the real passionate me about what "Your All Passionate about" !
i fully understand this, please give me some credit there !
i want this to go "our way" totally !!!!!!!!!
101%..... goes without saying !
and yes
All our gyms are doing well and the documentary has done us more good than harm like i said in that topic
my prediction has sort of come true...
"one Door will close.....
2 Will Open" :-))))))))
thankyou again guys !
thankyou and thankyou again, gret posts and advice !!!!! :-)
As ive mentioned,
im getting ready and in training for this, im mentally prepared and physically ready ! ( an understatmemt ) not that the physical will be used of course lol
and ive suit and shirt hung up ready,On the 4 person T.V debate tues: eve: on the Good side we have a parent from my gym they have chosen, he is the father of one of my juniors and does the junior interclubs / fighter and has 4 years exp: at my gym in thai-boxing, and had graded etc:
with approx 30 interclubs ( no esissions ) and about 6 + with, also a junoir british champion, he supports and moreso understands whats going on re; this programme and having spent the last 3 days discussing this with him ( jeff, big jakes dad ) and a further 2 hours on the phone just now, forearming ourselves with all the questions? and possibilities of trick questions as well as the reality of the negativity thrown at us surrounding the channel-4 documentary and its repercussions etc:we are ready.
Once again thankyou ALL for the great feedback and help re;
this debate, and im going to do my utmost best to answer as only the best i know
iam very serious about what ive done all these years, take away the bright colours of armour, and you get the real passionate me about what "Your All Passionate about" !
i fully understand this, please give me some credit there !
i want this to go "our way" totally !!!!!!!!!
101%..... goes without saying !
and yes
All our gyms are doing well and the documentary has done us more good than harm like i said in that topic
my prediction has sort of come true...
"one Door will close.....
2 Will Open" :-))))))))
thankyou again guys !
Dean Perks thanks again buddy ! :-)
vinny thanks
Col
sorry and thanks, your post was better and made more sense and thanks i see your points Cheers buddy.
Nige your too good looking............
( and do they make suits big enough? :-p )
welsh eagle great posts and advice again cheers
billy big conkers ( luv that name )thankyou sir.
And Guys please remember why??? they asked me?
also why after filming my gym and kids classes for channel-4 and ringing and e-mailing me for months did they not feature my / our kids? / gym? parents?
because this yaer its our 25th successfull year and of what id like to think of not the best by far...!
but defo we are doing it right,
safely
and changing childrens ( and adults ) lifes for the better
we have very high standards, discipline and conduct and the 20+ other good factors (i dont need to sell to you the converted ) in place!
I / we are doing it right and this is probably why i was approached to speak about it and even though small and ugly, im colourfull and more than passionate and understand what im / we are doing for now and the past and the more important "future" of our GREAT sport !!!
chok dee
sandyman
vinny thanks
Col
sorry and thanks, your post was better and made more sense and thanks i see your points Cheers buddy.
Nige your too good looking............
( and do they make suits big enough? :-p )
welsh eagle great posts and advice again cheers
billy big conkers ( luv that name )thankyou sir.
And Guys please remember why??? they asked me?
also why after filming my gym and kids classes for channel-4 and ringing and e-mailing me for months did they not feature my / our kids? / gym? parents?
because this yaer its our 25th successfull year and of what id like to think of not the best by far...!
but defo we are doing it right,
safely
and changing childrens ( and adults ) lifes for the better
we have very high standards, discipline and conduct and the 20+ other good factors (i dont need to sell to you the converted ) in place!
I / we are doing it right and this is probably why i was approached to speak about it and even though small and ugly, im colourfull and more than passionate and understand what im / we are doing for now and the past and the more important "future" of our GREAT sport !!!
chok dee
sandyman
Great post Noi.
if Muay Thai is on TV
the only trainers who should be on it is
Tony Myres
Dean White
Richard Smith
proper MT trainers
not some gay looking bloke who hasnt a clue how to train a champ
the only trainers who should be on it is
Tony Myres
Dean White
Richard Smith
proper MT trainers
not some gay looking bloke who hasnt a clue how to train a champ
Good post Noi, i remember the email you mention.
Political correctness has gone mad, why do the authorities think that they know whats best for us, our kids, our future, our sports?
Touch Rugby!!!! - Whats all that about?
Amatuer Boxing - you will get stopped by a ref if you have a nose bleed, or someone gets a jab and their head goes back (Stopped???? Whats all that about its boxing)
One guy i know succesfully sued another football player for taking a sliding tackle and breaking his leg??? (In parks football!!!!!!!!)
They want to control the masses, machines not individuals.
Big Brother is watching you!!!!!!!!!!.
off topic i know, rant over, lol
Good luck Sandy
Political correctness has gone mad, why do the authorities think that they know whats best for us, our kids, our future, our sports?
Touch Rugby!!!! - Whats all that about?
Amatuer Boxing - you will get stopped by a ref if you have a nose bleed, or someone gets a jab and their head goes back (Stopped???? Whats all that about its boxing)
One guy i know succesfully sued another football player for taking a sliding tackle and breaking his leg??? (In parks football!!!!!!!!)
They want to control the masses, machines not individuals.
Big Brother is watching you!!!!!!!!!!.
off topic i know, rant over, lol
Good luck Sandy
Sandy I've nicked one of potters suits haha
Biggest china for some time NMT lmao.
Could someone tell me please if this going on air tomorrow night? coz its not showing on t.v listings!
cheers nikki
cheers nikki
lol nige hahaha
Liam dont talk in riddles just say it...
and nmt
a Great list we cannot deny, but its childrens thai-boxing and safety...
didnt see your name down on it or for it.. but then you only do childrens Full thai rules for kids and we are not good enough....:-P
you sometimes talk pap
pushy association of parents.com
nikki
its on ITV Central uk Midlands and its Live at 11.00pm
its sadly only a half hour prog: with Only
`12` minutes of debate no editting all shot live
4 of us
a child psychologist and a pediatrician doctor
myself and one of my Kids / fighter / students dad jeff horner
it will be shown
on www.itv.com/catchup
Liam dont talk in riddles just say it...
and nmt
a Great list we cannot deny, but its childrens thai-boxing and safety...
didnt see your name down on it or for it.. but then you only do childrens Full thai rules for kids and we are not good enough....:-P
you sometimes talk pap
pushy association of parents.com
nikki
its on ITV Central uk Midlands and its Live at 11.00pm
its sadly only a half hour prog: with Only
`12` minutes of debate no editting all shot live
4 of us
a child psychologist and a pediatrician doctor
myself and one of my Kids / fighter / students dad jeff horner
it will be shown
on www.itv.com/catchup
Sandy
childrens full thai rules for kids lol
my name wouldnt be on it, who am i a nobody.
pushy parents you havnt a clue about having kids,i push my kids in everyway
education ,balanced diets,sleeping habbits,manners.I got one son who dosnt fight
and i wont make him
childrens full thai rules for kids lol
my name wouldnt be on it, who am i a nobody.
pushy parents you havnt a clue about having kids,i push my kids in everyway
education ,balanced diets,sleeping habbits,manners.I got one son who dosnt fight
and i wont make him
Sandy cheers for info. Best of luck to all thats taking part.
For those who have Sky Digital, you can watch any ITV or BBC regional channel. Just go to around channel 900 (or somewhere near the end anyway) and there will be all the channel listings, so you should be able to get Central.
It`s sometime amazing what happens in Cornwall going by their local news!
P.S. This is also useful for local football matches or International matches such as NI that wont be covered by the English mainstream BBC.
It`s sometime amazing what happens in Cornwall going by their local news!
P.S. This is also useful for local football matches or International matches such as NI that wont be covered by the English mainstream BBC.
nmt
why wouldnt you beon it? your kids good, youve been around a long time and you know your stuff!
and good drills re; other info ... see you can be sensible ( like me ) when required :-)
btw.. kids?
i have 25 a night.
Nikki thankyou again :-))
phil cheers fella :-)
why wouldnt you beon it? your kids good, youve been around a long time and you know your stuff!
and good drills re; other info ... see you can be sensible ( like me ) when required :-)
btw.. kids?
i have 25 a night.
Nikki thankyou again :-))
phil cheers fella :-)
How did it go anyone????
Not on yet mate!
Sandy did a brilliant job. The sport came over really positively. Well done mate. superb.
This is a clip of one of my young students getting bullied whilst being filmed by the bullys friends.
He is a lovely lad and as it happens this proves that we are not doing anything wrong.
The bully pushes and pushes and eventually gets what he wants ...a reaction.
Johnathan appears stressed and tries to avoid the conflict but is positive about what he does when he realises he has to fight.
The good thing is that when he eventually gets control of the situation he shows the discipline that he has been taught and allows the lad to get up after establishing that the lad doesn't want to fight anymore.
He is a lovely lad and as it happens this proves that we are not doing anything wrong.
The bully pushes and pushes and eventually gets what he wants ...a reaction.
Johnathan appears stressed and tries to avoid the conflict but is positive about what he does when he realises he has to fight.
The good thing is that when he eventually gets control of the situation he shows the discipline that he has been taught and allows the lad to get up after establishing that the lad doesn't want to fight anymore.
For those who don't get central or are not going to see it on the net.
The show came over very positively indeed. I didn't recognise all the coaches featured...and some looked a lot like they were doing karate, but really that didn't matter at all as it all looked controlled, disciplined and the coaches were all positive in selling the sport. There was actually very little negative input in the introduction. Ellis Cashmore didn't really manage to put too much of a negative spin on things (he was the only descenting voice) and the introduction gave a positive image overall. Sandy and Jeff definitely did a really great job and came over as sensible and responsible people. The paediatrician and child psychologist appeared to have very weak arguments. For me Sandy and Jeff definitely appeared to win the debate hands down and our sport came out well. Sandy didn't try to sell himself or act the clown, he just sold the sport well, which was great. Thank you Sandy (and Jeff) your preparation and media experience paid off.
The show came over very positively indeed. I didn't recognise all the coaches featured...and some looked a lot like they were doing karate, but really that didn't matter at all as it all looked controlled, disciplined and the coaches were all positive in selling the sport. There was actually very little negative input in the introduction. Ellis Cashmore didn't really manage to put too much of a negative spin on things (he was the only descenting voice) and the introduction gave a positive image overall. Sandy and Jeff definitely did a really great job and came over as sensible and responsible people. The paediatrician and child psychologist appeared to have very weak arguments. For me Sandy and Jeff definitely appeared to win the debate hands down and our sport came out well. Sandy didn't try to sell himself or act the clown, he just sold the sport well, which was great. Thank you Sandy (and Jeff) your preparation and media experience paid off.
If anyone can find it on itv.com/catchup could they post a link please, I can't find it linked or any reference to it anywhere.
Good on him Dave for standing up for himself and for showing control when he had it clearly won...nothing more to prove to anyone else or to himself...brill.
Great job Sandy, you did us proud :)
The program was called extra tonight.
Sandy- A job very well done!!!!!
Superb mate the hair looked good and the eye brows.lol
You came over as an intelligent and articulate coach that would have shown the sport to people who dont know it in a good light.
You kept your cool when they tried to raise the tempo and were loosing there cool.
You did youself and the sport proud Sandy!!!
NOW WATCH THE ENQUIRIES GO UP!!!!
Also well done to the other coaches interviewed who all put a positive point across.
Regards
Dean
Sandy- A job very well done!!!!!
Superb mate the hair looked good and the eye brows.lol
You came over as an intelligent and articulate coach that would have shown the sport to people who dont know it in a good light.
You kept your cool when they tried to raise the tempo and were loosing there cool.
You did youself and the sport proud Sandy!!!
NOW WATCH THE ENQUIRIES GO UP!!!!
Also well done to the other coaches interviewed who all put a positive point across.
Regards
Dean
Nice work, found this on related videos to that youtube one. lol
Has anyone managed to find it on itv catch up yet?
I've searched again, there's nothing under Extra Tonight, or Tonight Extra. And nothing when I run searches either.
I've searched again, there's nothing under Extra Tonight, or Tonight Extra. And nothing when I run searches either.
Well done Sandy, knew you would do it.
found it here ( search for it in the left hand search panel) but it doesn't seem to want to work on a mac?!
...sorry, meant the right hand panel
programmes >> extra tonight >> Extra Tonight - Kids combat Is it barbaric?
programmes >> extra tonight >> Extra Tonight - Kids combat Is it barbaric?
I broke the board not a good introduction! Closing tag.
Just watched it on line well done Sandy
I keep getting a system error message from the ITV local site :(
I'll try again later...
Sounds like you did a good job though Sandy.
I'll try again later...
Sounds like you did a good job though Sandy.
Just watched it...Good job Sandy
Sandy...well done heard it was a top job result x
Sandy, you came across really well mate. Controlled, considered and well thought through. To be honest the random (Australian / American?) psychologist just made herself look stupid and unable to take on board a reasoned logicical view point. I have a 7 year old... you ever tried making a 7 year old do something he doesn't want to..?!? I would have thought a psychologist and paediatrician would have at least been able to understand that. But that's the whole point of an argument I guess... no one ever wins one
Well done all round.
Dave
Well done all round.
Dave
kru carl rawlinson
Posted: 2008-05-14 15:58:24
Posted: 2008-05-14 15:58:24
sandy well done and thank you from a fellow instructor
Thank you swamps! Am off to watch it now.
Colin.H
Posted: 2008-05-14 16:41:32
Posted: 2008-05-14 16:41:32
Just watched it. Easy points victory to Sandy i thought.
well done Sandy to quote Colin 'an easy point s victory for UK Muay Thai'
Sandy no self promotion on the programme but which poor sod is peeling stickers from all over the building you was in haha
Good debate. Them two should have had clown outfits on. Didn't know what they were talking about! American pshycologist (Spelling) pushing 50 + are always going to be a big bag of hot air. When discussing blows to the head and blunt trauma injury they need to turn to the first few pages of a dictionary and look up Accident..Then they can understand why unforced head contact may or may not happen.
Child, teenager or adult there is risk in everything you do be it sport, day to day or at work or play.
Very good defence but that doesn't nullify people like Mark Barlow being a complete nugget on the first programme! He called is lad thai because he loves the sport so much. If I ever have a daughter I'm going to call her Fanny Ashton because I love pussy so much! haha That's how fucking daft he sounds!
Good debate. Them two should have had clown outfits on. Didn't know what they were talking about! American pshycologist (Spelling) pushing 50 + are always going to be a big bag of hot air. When discussing blows to the head and blunt trauma injury they need to turn to the first few pages of a dictionary and look up Accident..Then they can understand why unforced head contact may or may not happen.
Child, teenager or adult there is risk in everything you do be it sport, day to day or at work or play.
Very good defence but that doesn't nullify people like Mark Barlow being a complete nugget on the first programme! He called is lad thai because he loves the sport so much. If I ever have a daughter I'm going to call her Fanny Ashton because I love pussy so much! haha That's how fucking daft he sounds!
well done sandy !!
you should be a politician mate lol!! joking aside you done what you said you would do !! good show
you should be a politician mate lol!! joking aside you done what you said you would do !! good show
well done to sandy and jeff! you made them look silly.
the woman must have only watched the clips that where shown at the begining of the debate, because she asumed that jeffs son jake was one of the boys in the cage, infact it was thai and connor! She came across as a very eratic woman going through her menopause. maybe sandy should have stuck one of his flyers over her gob! And her haircut was worse than sandy's haha (sandy im only kidding, yours looked lovley x)
And as for the fella, did they need to fill one of the seats up on the sofa? i bet he is the toilet attendant from the studios lol all he done was sit there with a silly expression on his face with a grunt here and there.
Once again well done chaps, i think thats another step up the ladder for muay thai...
nikki
the woman must have only watched the clips that where shown at the begining of the debate, because she asumed that jeffs son jake was one of the boys in the cage, infact it was thai and connor! She came across as a very eratic woman going through her menopause. maybe sandy should have stuck one of his flyers over her gob! And her haircut was worse than sandy's haha (sandy im only kidding, yours looked lovley x)
And as for the fella, did they need to fill one of the seats up on the sofa? i bet he is the toilet attendant from the studios lol all he done was sit there with a silly expression on his face with a grunt here and there.
Once again well done chaps, i think thats another step up the ladder for muay thai...
nikki
lovely not lovley silly woman...
WOW JUST GOT IN AND READ THIS :-))))))
sorry for the caps / shouting but im shouting thankyou very much to `all` of you im almost emotional
i was so hoping for all of you / us and Thai-boxing i / we didnt screw it up
and again can i say a big thankyou to `everyone whm gave me good advice above ( before we went on etc: )
as it really helped thankyou thankyou thankyou
and lets hope your classes are full, and we can carry on getting it right, and those whom might not be?
get exposed and fall down.
I must thank Jeff ( Big Jakes dad) whom like me didnt sleep night before and took a full portfoloi of info, well prepared before we went in, and we was gutted really as we all got about 3 mins and we had 300+ at least to say haha
wish we had longer to fight our corner !
but that said going off what everyones saying? it went ok Thankyou, and i still havent seen it yet LOL
will watch it "now" :-)
and lol nige
ref:your kids name you make me LOL :-)
cheers Nikki and lol ref: stickers and nige ... just the 2 lol
what would i call mine ?
lol
no dont answer that lol
sorry for the caps / shouting but im shouting thankyou very much to `all` of you im almost emotional
i was so hoping for all of you / us and Thai-boxing i / we didnt screw it up
and again can i say a big thankyou to `everyone whm gave me good advice above ( before we went on etc: )
as it really helped thankyou thankyou thankyou
and lets hope your classes are full, and we can carry on getting it right, and those whom might not be?
get exposed and fall down.
I must thank Jeff ( Big Jakes dad) whom like me didnt sleep night before and took a full portfoloi of info, well prepared before we went in, and we was gutted really as we all got about 3 mins and we had 300+ at least to say haha
wish we had longer to fight our corner !
but that said going off what everyones saying? it went ok Thankyou, and i still havent seen it yet LOL
will watch it "now" :-)
and lol nige
ref:your kids name you make me LOL :-)
cheers Nikki and lol ref: stickers and nige ... just the 2 lol
what would i call mine ?
lol
no dont answer that lol
Impressive!!
How many Child Thai Boxing injuries did the paedeatrician say he had seen in his hospital??
None ?? Thought so!!
How many Child Thai Boxing injuries did the paedeatrician say he had seen in his hospital??
None ?? Thought so!!
I wanted to add my congratulations on the apparent success of that debate and to applaud sandy and Jeff on not being drawn into an ever downward spirral of negativity.
As a sub text I would add that from the brief both "professionals" were reading from it seems the first programme has created more adverse reaction and negativity than we as a community could imagine. There is now confusion in the mind set of such people as to the manner of competition....cages! parents coercing kids to fight, head injuries etc.
in all a brilliant rescue attempt. tragically not programmed by the team that did the first programme. and not aired at the same time or given the same hype.
As a sub text I would add that from the brief both "professionals" were reading from it seems the first programme has created more adverse reaction and negativity than we as a community could imagine. There is now confusion in the mind set of such people as to the manner of competition....cages! parents coercing kids to fight, head injuries etc.
in all a brilliant rescue attempt. tragically not programmed by the team that did the first programme. and not aired at the same time or given the same hype.
mark barlow
Posted: 2008-05-15 07:24:21
Posted: 2008-05-15 07:24:21
I was asked to go on the programme, before they asked Sandy they wanted someone from baby fight club to voice there opinion. I declined because the last programme wasn't fair on the editing. It was quite cruely done. And i think if you had any intelligence you could see that. Nige. I don't know why you keep having ago at me and my family, especially my 10yr odls son ! You seem to know alot about me and my family and you only seen ten minuets of us on a programme. Thai's name isn't from Thaiboxing, its because we liked it as a name, it wasn't from the love of Thaiboxing. Alot of things on baby fight club was over dramatised, and to be honest there is alot of problems in Thaiboxing with all the stupid rules. Hopefully through this programme something will be done about it. I have had loads of children begginers come to my class and alot of people I have talked to have also had a lot of begginers ,Nige, If you could kindly keep away from personal things, as my children do read Ax.
Thanks
Thanks
Sorry Mark I have to disagree the show that went out might not have shown some of what you thought were yoour better bits but it did show what you said and did and you may not have realised but damaging it was. Maybe the TV and media is not your thing and best left alone in the future.
Just my opinion
Just my opinion
I really cannot comment upon Nigels thoughts on how your sons name originated but I found myself imagining it was from your love of the sport. Seemed fair enough to me. Kinda cool really....I agree the editing appeared harsh. But the footage was'nt fabricated or altered in any way. Any thing that was programmed you regretted saying in front of the cameras probably shouldnt have been said. No matter how harsh the editing if you dont say anything wrong. Nothing can be used against you in a misquote.
The original programme simply displayed one side of a particular arguement without a reasonable voice to balance it. Within limitations of the programming deadlines and audience Sandy and Co did a stirling job of balancing the negativity of the first programme. Tragically; I do not feel it was enough. But it was a start. A great start.
On a brighter note I anticipate a sudden up surge in the sale of blue polyester suits, shaved eyebrows and pink parrot hair do's!! LOL!
The original programme simply displayed one side of a particular arguement without a reasonable voice to balance it. Within limitations of the programming deadlines and audience Sandy and Co did a stirling job of balancing the negativity of the first programme. Tragically; I do not feel it was enough. But it was a start. A great start.
On a brighter note I anticipate a sudden up surge in the sale of blue polyester suits, shaved eyebrows and pink parrot hair do's!! LOL!
Just watched the show and I have to admit I was wrong. I wasn't convinced that Sandy was the right person for the job, but I think he did a great job, Jeff also! What galls me is that they get supposdly inteligant professionals to pass comments but these people are so far up their own arse that they don't take any time to make any kind of research. If I wanted to pass comment on something I knew nothing about, I would like to think I took the time to research it first!
I agree with that. Seems they watched the first programme and based their arguements upon that. Which formed the basis for the preconcluded notions they spouted.
Well done and thanks Sandy you did a great job(and Jeff).
Nige your mad(my kids name..) Lol.
Nige your mad(my kids name..) Lol.
''Then why do you put sandy-holt stickers all over Thailand? :) LOL''
Cause he had this silly git to carry them in 04 Rich my backs never been the same since.
Well done Sandy I've just watched it and you come across good
Cause he had this silly git to carry them in 04 Rich my backs never been the same since.
Well done Sandy I've just watched it and you come across good
Just watched the clip,Sandy you were cool and calm and gave intelligent answers.
Well done and credit were it's due.Well done also for not "plugging" your gym,There's a time and place.
Pity They did'nt get this type of thing on the original program!
If i ever have kid's(Yep,There's still time LOL) Then i would hope to see them take up a sport like thai boxing as there's more positives than negatives from it!
Well done and credit were it's due.Well done also for not "plugging" your gym,There's a time and place.
Pity They did'nt get this type of thing on the original program!
If i ever have kid's(Yep,There's still time LOL) Then i would hope to see them take up a sport like thai boxing as there's more positives than negatives from it!
I enjoyed that debate, well done Sandy Holt. In fact it's a shame it had didn't go on longer because the more you kept you cool, the more she was losing hers. She came across as bordering on hysterical.
The pediatrician's arguments about the risk of trauma seemed very extreme but obviously shouldn't dismissed off hand but can be countered.
I would argue that all energetic children like to play rough whether in sports or in the playground. Muay Thai training is one of the few occasions where that energy is chanelled, where the they are taught true control and where they actually do have any padding.
The pediatrician's arguments about the risk of trauma seemed very extreme but obviously shouldn't dismissed off hand but can be countered.
I would argue that all energetic children like to play rough whether in sports or in the playground. Muay Thai training is one of the few occasions where that energy is chanelled, where the they are taught true control and where they actually do have any padding.
Mark I don't know you and never even heard of you before the programme. But it could be argued that you and you alone nearly destroyed everything in childrens Thai Boxing that everyone has worked for. I'm just saying what everyone thinks.
I've said two things about you 1) Your son isn't half as good as you think he is. and 2) You are a nugget for how you came across. That's not "Keep having a go at you" that's saying two things that are factually correct and if anyone wants to dispute them then crack on
Thank god Sandy got to the show and you didn't! That would have been disaster number 2. and the two things I've said about you would probably turn in to 5 things! Then you would be moaning!
I've said two things about you 1) Your son isn't half as good as you think he is. and 2) You are a nugget for how you came across. That's not "Keep having a go at you" that's saying two things that are factually correct and if anyone wants to dispute them then crack on
Thank god Sandy got to the show and you didn't! That would have been disaster number 2. and the two things I've said about you would probably turn in to 5 things! Then you would be moaning!
Blunt Nige but true....lets leave it here and move on.
Again Sandy well done.
Again Sandy well done.
dazzathethai-Totally agree mate!
Nige-Speak your mind mate!LOL.
Nige-Speak your mind mate!LOL.
Nige is right. Editing or not, things were said and shown that did a lot of damage.
Anyway, it will always be a struggle to convince, and more importantly educate, a lot of people about the sport, documentary or no documentary, but Sandy has certainly helped us to climb one more rung up the ladder to general acceptance.
Anyway, it will always be a struggle to convince, and more importantly educate, a lot of people about the sport, documentary or no documentary, but Sandy has certainly helped us to climb one more rung up the ladder to general acceptance.
I can understand both sides here! yeah nige is right in what he has said. mark and maxine should have chosen there words more wisely but its easier said than done when you have someone standing behind the camera egging you on to say more! I also had this tryed on me, and connor fell victim of this also and has had a little trouble in school because of it. i will give you an example: at the begining of the show you see connor talking about how he always fights in school and he uses his kickboxing moves on some of the kids! they forgot to show the bit of me telling connor off for lying! i tell my children that when they lie there tounge turns green? before anyone says a word, you have got to be over 18 to have these magical powers lol. so when they refuse to stick it out i know they are telling porkies... they was also encouraging him to say it, and i gave them a right b******ing for doing that and i made it clear right from the start that i wouldn't accept this behaviour. I would like to say connor has never been in trouble at school for fighting! his teachers were disgusted with what they had seen written in one of the tv mags, it made connor sound like some sort of bully that goes round beating people up and parents told their children to stay away from him and this has upset connor to the extent that he wants to leave the school. From then on if i didnt want to answer a question they asked, i told them ask something else im not answering it. I also found it easier not looking at the camera.
I wouldn't say that i regret doing it, because if i had the chance again i would do it but differently! (mentaly)
This program has affected my private life deeply, and we didnt come across bad. so my heart goes out to the barlows and the other families that was involved. Because now its over i see none of ch4 picking up the pieces that have been hacked off peoples reputations. we all done this knowing that we wasnt getting paid, we thought we were helping to get muay thai recognised and it backfired on some of us!
Terry already new what this would cause and pointed this out to the director from the start!!! he had a simular experience 20+ years ago with his son terry butwell jnr he was filmed for some news program about boxing and thai boxing and it caused a big stur then. so we was very cautious and we was right in doing so.
It will take a long time before anybody gets over this, especially the families who took part. ( a few know my situation! )
I dont think it has made the sport look bad? it has shown us what we have got to do to make it even better... fingers crossed it gets bigger and bigger then we are all laughing!!!
Rant finished haha
I wouldn't say that i regret doing it, because if i had the chance again i would do it but differently! (mentaly)
This program has affected my private life deeply, and we didnt come across bad. so my heart goes out to the barlows and the other families that was involved. Because now its over i see none of ch4 picking up the pieces that have been hacked off peoples reputations. we all done this knowing that we wasnt getting paid, we thought we were helping to get muay thai recognised and it backfired on some of us!
Terry already new what this would cause and pointed this out to the director from the start!!! he had a simular experience 20+ years ago with his son terry butwell jnr he was filmed for some news program about boxing and thai boxing and it caused a big stur then. so we was very cautious and we was right in doing so.
It will take a long time before anybody gets over this, especially the families who took part. ( a few know my situation! )
I dont think it has made the sport look bad? it has shown us what we have got to do to make it even better... fingers crossed it gets bigger and bigger then we are all laughing!!!
Rant finished haha
Again constructive words and it seams we all want to keep on the ladder as you put, and on the "up and up" and onwards....
as it will bring us together more, knowing how we are percieved by the `non believers` lol lets educate and continue to promote the safe and positive way !
so lets keep getting it as right as we can and keep improving as we go along as im sure thats what we are all aiming to do i hope !
Thanks dave wow a compliment ? :-p and on 2 levels too?
can i patent the parrot and eyebrows?
and the colour ive adopted?
"pinkle"
and are you going to join me brother?....... or just the eyebrows???? :-))))
:-p :-p :-p
and Dazza i think that was a compliment?
or did i read it wrong? lol
cheers and good luck with your show on sunday pal !
as it will bring us together more, knowing how we are percieved by the `non believers` lol lets educate and continue to promote the safe and positive way !
so lets keep getting it as right as we can and keep improving as we go along as im sure thats what we are all aiming to do i hope !
Thanks dave wow a compliment ? :-p and on 2 levels too?
can i patent the parrot and eyebrows?
and the colour ive adopted?
"pinkle"
and are you going to join me brother?....... or just the eyebrows???? :-))))
:-p :-p :-p
and Dazza i think that was a compliment?
or did i read it wrong? lol
cheers and good luck with your show on sunday pal !
p.s. just got this off Ronnie thompson and good points ref: kids and the society he makes
and hope Ronnie wont mind me cut n paste his e-mail very good and wise words
( on a personal level thankyou Ronnie your a great person, friend and always inspire me )
afternoon sandyman
just watched the tv show you and jeff did a great job under a difficult situation with the doc and the woman
really not fully understanding our love and sport,,,,,it does not matter what you say to some people regarding
how safe our art and sport is,
they will always see it through there are own eyes because of the job they are in etc
in this ever changing world of were theres a blame there's a claim, :-(
people have forgot that kids use to play out until the sun went
down and came home safe and happy,,,
playing out is now not the right thing anymore,,
kids use to climb trees i used to, also play soldiers go fishing make small camp fires go camping for up to 3 days at a time and got home safe and sound etc,,,,,
i think and know the life skills we teach in our clubs up and down the county hold the kids the future of this county in good stead to get use to life's
ups and downs and knocks and bangs etc,,,,,
a lot of parents in today's world wrap there kids up in cotton wool and push them towards the play station and staying in and not letting them mix with other kids of there own age,,,,
i get parents just the same as you do coming to the gym saying please please please
can you help my son or daughter get out of the house and do something with there young lives
because they are worried of letting them play out with there friends,,,
because of the increasingly violent world we know live in etc
that's why we are doing very well in promoting all the right values to the kids using muaythai as a means to an end,,,,,its like using muaythai like stepping stones to get where you wish to go in life please say thank you to jeff for saying my name on the show. once again you did very well under difficult circumstances,,,,,,,,,WELL DONE GOD BLESS YOU BOTH,,,,,,,,
Ronnie thompson Walkden thai-boxing club
.
well done both of you you did your sport/art proud keep you the great work
and hope Ronnie wont mind me cut n paste his e-mail very good and wise words
( on a personal level thankyou Ronnie your a great person, friend and always inspire me )
afternoon sandyman
just watched the tv show you and jeff did a great job under a difficult situation with the doc and the woman
really not fully understanding our love and sport,,,,,it does not matter what you say to some people regarding
how safe our art and sport is,
they will always see it through there are own eyes because of the job they are in etc
in this ever changing world of were theres a blame there's a claim, :-(
people have forgot that kids use to play out until the sun went
down and came home safe and happy,,,
playing out is now not the right thing anymore,,
kids use to climb trees i used to, also play soldiers go fishing make small camp fires go camping for up to 3 days at a time and got home safe and sound etc,,,,,
i think and know the life skills we teach in our clubs up and down the county hold the kids the future of this county in good stead to get use to life's
ups and downs and knocks and bangs etc,,,,,
a lot of parents in today's world wrap there kids up in cotton wool and push them towards the play station and staying in and not letting them mix with other kids of there own age,,,,
i get parents just the same as you do coming to the gym saying please please please
can you help my son or daughter get out of the house and do something with there young lives
because they are worried of letting them play out with there friends,,,
because of the increasingly violent world we know live in etc
that's why we are doing very well in promoting all the right values to the kids using muaythai as a means to an end,,,,,its like using muaythai like stepping stones to get where you wish to go in life please say thank you to jeff for saying my name on the show. once again you did very well under difficult circumstances,,,,,,,,,WELL DONE GOD BLESS YOU BOTH,,,,,,,,
Ronnie thompson Walkden thai-boxing club
.
well done both of you you did your sport/art proud keep you the great work
nzlion
Posted: 2008-05-16 03:20:49
Posted: 2008-05-16 03:20:49
Many many congratulations of the highest order chaps i am so glad Mark Barlow saved his family further embarrasment by not attending, from the TV show he looked like a crack head just sitting at home all day waiting to collect his jobseekers while his wife wears the trousers and holds down a full time job. It is simply just not cricket now is.
I wouldn't say he was a crack head. Maybe a crack pot! for saying what he did but a crack head is a bit much!
LOL
nige
You are correct with MOST of the things you said. but i dont agree with with
"To Mark"
" it could be argued that you and you alone nearly destroyed everything in childrens Thai Boxing that everyone has worked for. I'm just saying what everyone thinks."
On a personal note the bit that got to most was the loon tune forcing a crying 4 year old ito a ring to fight ! I have twin daughters myself not much older than the little girl in the documentery , they train at thai boxing aswell but i could not for the life of me force them to fight against there will.
True about Mark he came across as a bit of a nugget!!
You are correct with MOST of the things you said. but i dont agree with with
"To Mark"
" it could be argued that you and you alone nearly destroyed everything in childrens Thai Boxing that everyone has worked for. I'm just saying what everyone thinks."
On a personal note the bit that got to most was the loon tune forcing a crying 4 year old ito a ring to fight ! I have twin daughters myself not much older than the little girl in the documentery , they train at thai boxing aswell but i could not for the life of me force them to fight against there will.
True about Mark he came across as a bit of a nugget!!
dboy
Posted: 2008-05-16 14:27:32
Posted: 2008-05-16 14:27:32
completly agree with david mc, mark barlow should stay away from the media he just hasnt got a clue whatever , he said what he said editing or not thank god he didnt get into a debate with someone with more than one brain cell our sport would be band for sure.
dboy
Posted: 2008-05-16 14:29:06
Posted: 2008-05-16 14:29:06
completly agree with david mc, mark barlow should stay away from the media he just hasnt got a clue , he said what he said editing or not thank god he didnt get into a debate with someone with more than one brain cell our sport would be band for sure.
its all a bit harsh towards mark to be fair! im sure he didnt try and fuck things up and in the heat of the moment things get a bit wild! he did have the balls to have the crew follow him and let loose, its clear they wanted to make it bad, i dont think mark gave them too much to work with, atleast he loves the same sport that we all do and has helped profile it!
we all make mistakes and we have all got lost in the moment. Most of us are lucky enough not to have had our words and actions recorded, shown to millions and picked over by our peers.
Yes, some of the people in the documentary came across as less than perfect but then documentary makers know their craft and are expert in manipulating people to talk. Louis Theroux is a prime example of the craft, a jewish man visiting a far right American boot camp and getting them to open up without them even twigging he was jewish.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure no one is beating themselves up over the documentary more than those portrayed as being bad parents.
just my two penneth for what it's worth.
Yes, some of the people in the documentary came across as less than perfect but then documentary makers know their craft and are expert in manipulating people to talk. Louis Theroux is a prime example of the craft, a jewish man visiting a far right American boot camp and getting them to open up without them even twigging he was jewish.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure no one is beating themselves up over the documentary more than those portrayed as being bad parents.
just my two penneth for what it's worth.
nzlion
Posted: 2008-05-16 15:55:53
Posted: 2008-05-16 15:55:53
We dont think he made a cockup of the sport just a cock of himself
interesting and i must say in a wee bit of defense of Mark barlow, i did like some of the comments he made about
unfit / fat parents and getting them out training and mixing and getting fitter and doing it as a family unit, they did that !
nikki yep i did cringe ref: the school thing as i / we / many gyms say
keep it in the gym and report bullying etc: but as you say -( and Great post up above btw, and your welcome in sunny Bolton if you move lol )- they missed the telling lies thing off.
Agian the cringe was mainly Not Mark but Maxine swearing and bad sports(woman)manship re: loss, also "Smashing her opponents noses all over their face" woooooaaaah tooooooooooo much info:
sorry but that bit stuck in my mind :-((
But as we all and i Keep saying
"good will come from it all" :-))))))))
unfit / fat parents and getting them out training and mixing and getting fitter and doing it as a family unit, they did that !
nikki yep i did cringe ref: the school thing as i / we / many gyms say
keep it in the gym and report bullying etc: but as you say -( and Great post up above btw, and your welcome in sunny Bolton if you move lol )- they missed the telling lies thing off.
Agian the cringe was mainly Not Mark but Maxine swearing and bad sports(woman)manship re: loss, also "Smashing her opponents noses all over their face" woooooaaaah tooooooooooo much info:
sorry but that bit stuck in my mind :-((
But as we all and i Keep saying
"good will come from it all" :-))))))))
Unfit fat parents? Fuck me Sandy, most of us are up at 6am with the kids, then on to our full time jobs, then back home to start the night shift with kids, they maybe finally get them to sleep at 9pm, when we have 10 mins to grab our tea and before we know it its 10pm and the cycle starts again.
Notice how there are no full stops above, that`s because that`s what life is like for a lot of parents, no full stops.
Would be fucking great if I didn`t have any pride and sent my wife to work whilst I did the fucking vacuuming at home like Mark, but I`d rather have the life I have as an unfit fat parent than come across as Mary fucking Poppins.
Notice how there are no full stops above, that`s because that`s what life is like for a lot of parents, no full stops.
Would be fucking great if I didn`t have any pride and sent my wife to work whilst I did the fucking vacuuming at home like Mark, but I`d rather have the life I have as an unfit fat parent than come across as Mary fucking Poppins.
lol rant rant
im sure he / me wasnt talking about the likes ( same as you )
hard working concientious, talking about "fat" obese lazy people
who probably on dole and dont work and dont give a **** about kids either
thats the ref:
chill get ya 10 mins and have a brew
yorkshire tea my friend yorkshire tea :-) yummy
im sure he / me wasnt talking about the likes ( same as you )
hard working concientious, talking about "fat" obese lazy people
who probably on dole and dont work and dont give a **** about kids either
thats the ref:
chill get ya 10 mins and have a brew
yorkshire tea my friend yorkshire tea :-) yummy
Don`t agree Sandy, but hey ho, the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same.
Funnily enough I have actually just had a cup of tea!
I like Mr T i aint gettin on no plane!!!
cheers sandyman! i was just seeing it from both sides really!
Phil it's nice to hear that you help your partner out with the children, you don't here that very often?
Yorkshire tea is the dogs doo daas!!! lol
I'm a bit of a soft touch! I feel sorry for the barlows, how they made them come across wasn't a nice thing to do.That should have been a happy memory for thai to look back on when he is older!
But all it will do is bring back bad ones, that little boy has been robbed of his 5 minutes of fame!!!!
nikki
Phil it's nice to hear that you help your partner out with the children, you don't here that very often?
Yorkshire tea is the dogs doo daas!!! lol
I'm a bit of a soft touch! I feel sorry for the barlows, how they made them come across wasn't a nice thing to do.That should have been a happy memory for thai to look back on when he is older!
But all it will do is bring back bad ones, that little boy has been robbed of his 5 minutes of fame!!!!
nikki
nice one Nikki:-)))))))))
and Phil what dont you agree on?
ive just said fair one to you !!!!
im on about fat lazzeee slobs whom dont work or `parent`
your NOT like them,
so whats your beef?
and good man ref; the yorkshire tea and nikki its great
and so is tetleys too :-)))
lets All have a brew aiiiiiiiiii
1.5 sugars for me and well bashed
coz 2 sugars and 2 turns of the spoon?
`whats all that about`? lol :-p
and Phil what dont you agree on?
ive just said fair one to you !!!!
im on about fat lazzeee slobs whom dont work or `parent`
your NOT like them,
so whats your beef?
and good man ref; the yorkshire tea and nikki its great
and so is tetleys too :-)))
lets All have a brew aiiiiiiiiii
1.5 sugars for me and well bashed
coz 2 sugars and 2 turns of the spoon?
`whats all that about`? lol :-p
I didn`t agree on you saying Mark wasn`t talking about all people who dont exercise as I think he was. Wasn`t disagreeing with your own opinion, should have made that clear, sorry.
The most surprising thing to come out if this is finding out Sandy takes sugar, thought you would be pure herbal all the way!
Cant understand the 2 times round stirrers, might as well as not have sugar in cos doesn`t get mixed in properly. Always a little gripe of mine that one.
The most surprising thing to come out if this is finding out Sandy takes sugar, thought you would be pure herbal all the way!
Cant understand the 2 times round stirrers, might as well as not have sugar in cos doesn`t get mixed in properly. Always a little gripe of mine that one.
cheers Phil lol get ya now lol and hahaha well yep and at home tend to have low sugar and 1 sweetner to be honest and yep we "do agree ref; the 2 times round lol"
see we are like ech other
Before ya know it next thing is we might go same barbers lol :-p
see we are like ech other
Before ya know it next thing is we might go same barbers lol :-p
Hey Swamps,
The above link you posted doesn't seem to work for me. It says scheduled listing not available etc Also get a Timeline error underneath the viewing screen. Any suggestions?
The above link you posted doesn't seem to work for me. It says scheduled listing not available etc Also get a Timeline error underneath the viewing screen. Any suggestions?
sorry mate, can't find it anywhere now they seem to have taken it down for some reason
does this work for you?
http://www.itvlocal.com/central/programmes/?player=Cen_Prog_15&void=188408
Nope :(
steve reilly
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:29:58
Posted: 2008-05-21 16:29:58
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