Im sure this has done its rounds? but ive only just seen it ! lol
anyone else?
and who was the Thai? anyone know?
and what rules? that said the Thai plays the game really well !!!

dont know who the thai is, but it appears the rules are no punches to head, knee and low kick allowed :) there are loads of staged tkd v muay thai clips that have appeared after this was uploaded on youtube, showing tkd kicking the thaiboxers ass! probably embarrased by this clip and looking to redeem themselvs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL9ZXos8LfQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jM29ghBfWU

that's changpuek kiatsongrit, he's top banana & is @ sithpolek on sukhumvit in pattaya, demon left leg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoK1bUck_no

here's a highlight reel of his, i've similar on disc but he fought some top names, beat rob kamen a couple of times as well & was in the k2 tournaments with kamen, hoost etc

i think he won fight or fighter of the year as well, nice guy from burriram

One of the biggest names in Muay Thai back in late 80s early 90s

fought Orlando Weit on Master Skens show in Bolton I think it was way back in the day

wot a ding dong that was old boy ;)

He fought Andy Hug back before K1 became the organisation it is today. The match above was organised in Japan and was the forerunner to K1 - it used full contact karate rules. This is what led to Changpeuk competing in K1.

The TKD guy was Shin Ushkoshi. Apparently a brilliant (lol) TKD fighter.

And I believe though Changpeuk is way past his best and should have retired ages ago - he still fights.

Here is a Turkish fighter, Serkan Yilmaz, a TKD player competing in K-1 Kickboxing bouts ( and others ).

Worth a view, especially as 'helicopter' kicks are seen to be used in the ring!

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO2iiWihYkU

This is one that comes to mind as a good example. You will all know how this is.

yilmaz is god awful

Yilmaz really is terrible. All the TKD fans go on about him all the time as I think he's the only TKD fighter to actually make it through the qualifying stages of K1 but they tend to ignore the fact that he once got pared with Masato and Masato played with him for 3 rounds and won a unanimous.

Really bad. As soon as he fights any decent fighters you realise just how easily they can deal with his "unorthodox" style.

Lol if Kaoklai's the same weight as that guy then I'm a monkey's uncle.

How is your nephew Bubbles? Where's he living now?

;-)

Yilmaz vs Masato - Masato played with him for the 3 rounds. Yilmaz was complaining about Masatos low kicks! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1lGz0wTB2o

yep Changpeuk top man and yep he fought twice here on master Skens Supreme muay thai Shows early 90's awesome !

thanks for info billybiguns ta bud !... and




Nephilim writes:

And I believe though Changpeuk is way past his best and should have retired ages ago - he still fights.


Yep indeed and in jan this year i was the m.c. / ring announcer for the Farang along with Thai m.c. and for Frank "Sitpholeks" fights and Changpeuk was Stll fighting awesome shape too ! legendary

re: Kaoklai and the 30 kilos diff? tkd? guy what was the result?

the Man Himself CHANGPEUK Legend this was at Frank Sitpholeks Gym in 2006

Kaoklai won but it went to a 4th.

why did you look older 4 years ago than you do now are you benjamin button lol button mushroom like mutton

Rofl

Bit of a walk in the park that wasn`t it!

sorry Nephilism but what was it again that you trained in before thai boxing?

A whole load of crap called Tae Kwon Do. As you very well know jamie a did one lesson in thai boxin and never went back to tae kwon do :-)

Franklyu, I can (and do. frequently.) say to anyone that tae kwon do is a lot of bollocks and has feck all to teach anyone.

hahahahaha :)

Nephilim

To be fair I got a Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do in the 80's under Master Hee Ill Cho and it was a very good martial art back then. I agree its pretty crap now and I have not trainied in it since 1989, but at one time it had some good fighters.

People are lucky now. There is a great choice in martial arts with full time centres in reach of everyone. When I started it was a bit of a case of go to the best you could find.

TKD rules,and me to black belt with cho TAGB. Cho is a legend

Nephilim, tkd, karate etc etc might seem like a load of crap to people who do thai boxing because its completely different but it doesn't make it any less valid. my sport of choice will always be thai boxing but i would have no hesitation whatsoever in sending my kids (when i have some) to tkd lessons when they are young because it does have something to teach people, especially youngsters and thats flexibility, co-ordination and respect, just like most martial arts. they can then cross-over into thai boxing when they are a bit older once they are ready (and if they want to) to start competing as it is a superior full-contact sport.
it pisses me off when people dismiss other arts as shit just coz it aint muay thai, there is something for everyone out there. not all people want to get kneed in the face and cut with elbows and suffer bad shin problems constantly. there are plenty of arts and sports to go around! live and let live.

good post Marianne
It's always good to understand what your motivations are for taking up a martial art. I always liked the look of Capoeira because of how cool it looked - half dance half martial art. It's probably not great for self defence but it looks fun.

The problem though, is that most do claim that their martial art teaches self defence but rarely do they. On the contrary if you drill kids with bad habits, like keeping their arms down by their sides when they spar, it's very hard to train out of afterwards. There always have been a lot of charlatans out there charging a fortune for classes, uniforms and gradings every few weeks. Trusting parents can't necessarily discern between the good and the bad.

all martial arts are good !..... just BAD martial-artists :-/

and LOL Liam hahaha Sandy McBenjamin button lol

Masters Sken,Toddy,and Woody all all high grades in Tae Kwon Do.

TKD doesn't teach respect. It MAY teach discipline - that's not the same thing. Being told to say "sir" and bow and scrape to some fat guy with a goatee that my gran could knock out isn't discipline. I'd quite happily tell someone to go do it if they're having fun but just don't kid themselves on that they're learning how to fight.

All of the things that it professes to teach can be taught at a respectaable thai boxing, boxing, kickboxing gym etc. - with the added benefit of actually getting taught how to fight lol.

Hee Il Cho would be the guy from AIMAA - that's who I trained with and I can say first hand that after 4 years in thai boxing - the average TKD guy who's spent 20 years of his life learning TKD doesn't know any more about fighting than the average guy who walks in off the street for his first lesson in thai boxin.

I think Nephilim has a valid point and can relate to his bad feeling towards TKD. I trained in TKD for more than 10 years before finding western boxing, Muay Thai and more recently Judo. I trained at the same "dojo" as Nephilim for a period of time. Looking back, all of my TKD training was unrealistic, counter-productive to any form of self defence and gave me a false sense of confidence. In my experience most TKD instructors(many associations)preach respect and discipline and show NONE!

I would suggest that kids can learn all the same positive things from Muay Thai, Judo, Boxing etc as they can from TKD without getting constantly hurt.

Nephilim, thats the point- not everyone is arsed about fighting, some people just choose a martial art and do it because they enjoy it, be it tkd, karate, kung fu, jun fan, silat, caporaira, jui-jit-su whatever!
i completely agree that when you pitch a tkd guy against a muay thai guy, 9 times out of 10 the thai guy will win because thai boxing is all encompasing, and yes, if your sole aim is to compete then it stands to reason that you want an art/sport that teaches you to guard your head and kick the legs!!! But even if you decide to compete in tkd, your not gonna think to yourself "oh shit, i dont guard my head, what if i have to fight a thai guy" because tkd guys just compete against each other in those rules (with the odd exception as above).
clearly the problem is people not doing their research (based on what they want from a martial art) before they start. perhaps if people had looked into the arts more thoroughly before they began they wouldnt have wasted their time training something that couldnt help them reach their personal goals.
it doesnt make the art they chose any less valid, it just means they wasted time doing something that obviously wasn't right for them. but you only have to look at the hundreds of thousands of people that do train in tkd karate etc, in comparison to the amount of people that train muay thai to see that they gain from it, whatever that gain may be.

Marianne- You are implying that everyone who trains Muay Thai is interested in fighting. There is a growing number of people taking up Muay Thai and MMA for a great workout. A lot of traditional arts including TKD spend a great deal of time performing patterns (Kata), line work, board breaking etc and do not offer the same level of workout. There are exceptions to this including Olympic TKD (WTF) and Kyokushin Karate who are more focused on competition and develop fitness for competition.

The number of people training in Karate and TKD can be attributed to a number of factors, including clever marketing and exposure in films. I believe functional arts such as Thai boxing, MMA, BJJ, judo etc are growing in popularity and are beginning to attract a bigger following.

Think that now both styles have come a long way in different dirrections.

Most Thai clubs now run great kids classes where they learn respect and get graded etc. TKD has gone the other way. It used to be a good fighting style but they have sold out in an attempt to make martial arts for all.

If you look at GM Cho he is an excellent martial artist. He must be about 68 years old and still performs great technique. AIMAA for me is a poor org. They have banned face punch in sparring and no matter what you think, thats taking it to far.

Years ago TKD had good fighters and classes were tough, not so now.

Its a great argument both ways.

Sorry but I disagree with you. TKD has never produced a single fighter worthy of note and the ruleset has always been stupid even without banning face contact. Every thai boxer knows fine well that a TKD style roundhouse - as it's ALWAYS been taught - is useless. They don't kick right, they can't box, they don't use knees or elbows, they don't allow strikes below the waist, they don't allow leg catching, they dont allow clinch and they don't allow strikes when your opponents back is turned. And most of the time it's not even full contact. If it's not full contact then its crap - end of story.

As a sport, do TKD if you have fun. But it has NEVER been useful in a fight, ring or "in da street" as they all profess to be.

two words one name.... Chuck Norris, be it TKD or Tang Soo Do, they're pretty much the same and Chuck Norris is one Fighter that has achieved alot.....

lol

yeah but chuck norris has 3 fists, 2 at the end of each arm and one under his beard!!!!!!

I agree with that. On the street its useless and the kicks wont work. All true. They cant box either. True.

It's the word Do that they work on now I think, the art of it.

They would argue (and this is true) that its the only martial art to be used in a modern war. If you look at GM Cho on utube, he is very good, also the Koreon special forces display team to.

Not really sticking up for it to much. Its not Thai boxing (which due to its rules is very effective on the street) but just saying everything has its place and I appreciate the skill and athletism of some of the practitioners.

Nephilim, I think you are completely missing the point that others are trying to make. No one martial art is for everyone, and do you really believe that no other martial art other than thai boxing can teach you anything about defending yourself outside on the street? Am pretty sure that a little something can be learned from different styles. And sure, just by training in thai boxing (and other stand up ring sports) you can improve your defenses but when it really comes to it how many times do you stay standing in a street fight? You'll find that you'll probably fall to the ground a large amount of time - where do thai stand up techniques come into play there?

Plus it's good to have opinions and belief in your chosen sport but I think you shouldn't be trying to ram your opinions down peoples throats - there's MORE than thai boxing!

plus if you look hard enough on youtube you'll find Yilmaz ko'ing a few fighters

To be honest I don't care whether people do it for "da street", for the ring or just for fun - I'm aware that everyone has their own reasons for doing it. Nor am I saying Thai boxing is the only martial art with something to teach - I'm saying that TKD doesn't. Having done it, under AIMAA, I have the right to say that most of the things that people say they can learn at TKD like respect, self discipline bla bla bla, can all be learned elsewhere (probably much better) and should probably be getting taught by the parent anyway. I'm sorry but if you as a parent can't teach your kid discipline and respect, then the problem lies with you - not that your kid needs TKD lessons.

Besides I have a personal problem with the fact that most of the people who claim to teach these things show none of the qualities themselves. Like the Kung Fu guy who runs a club out of the same premises that I train in. I sat and listened to him one day preach at people about having respect for ones body, the body is a temple, self restraint and all that crap - then he was spotted by another member of my gym that Saturday coming out the chip shop with a fag in the mouth and a bag of booze. Nice. Do that if you want, but don't preach at me mate.

Yilmaz has knocked a few peopel out true - but I guarantee he cross trains - you don't learn to box at TKD lol. And Hee Il Cho is this guy....



This guy has never seen a real fight in his life or I'm a monkey's uncle. Props for being physical at 80 and all but he aint a fighter.

Although having another look at that video, it's possible that Hee Il Cho is a comedy genius, and probably the funniest guy to come out of Korea.

i learned tkd for 6 years as a kid, i got my black belt and thought id been given false hopes. i wouldnt have a CLUE how to defend myself in a street attack. however.. I WAS 12. not may 12 yearolds are that confident in self defence. if you took a guy with no martial arts or boxing training and a seasoned tkd fighter of equal weight, and you (as a thai boxer) spar with both. i imagine youd have a harder time defeating the tkd guy.thus making it of some use as a self defence system, if only to evade attacks and run.
tkd practicioners dont say they 'fight'. they are taekwondo PLAYERS. is judo a bad self defence system? they dont box.

there are good and bad schools of EVERYTHING

Yeah but judo guys grapple.

TKD guys strike. Boxers, thai boxers, kickboxers, fighters from sanshou, savate, lethwei and kyukushin karate all strike as well. They all have the same tools. Difference is TKD doesn't use them, doesn't know how to use them, and due to the large egos I've found in it, don't even acknowledge that that they should use them.

how many clubs/coaches did you train under?

Technically one. But you meet the other clubs - and I do mean from all over the world, probably on a more regular basis than in thai boxing. The attitudes and the stuff they teach, the way they teach it etc is always the same. I know this because I met people from Korea, hawaii, ireland, america and others I can't remember. It's always the same. Even from what I've seen of other clubs in different organisations etc.

I say to anyone who has no experience of TKd - go watch the movie The Foot Fist Way. Made me cry with laghter because the stuff it portrays, the characters, situations etc are EXACTLY what you encounter in TKD.

And if that isn't enough evidence, then try to find a TKD video that's decent without a fighter that has to resort to cross training in another martial art.

one coach, one club and you have seen other clubs but don't have experience in them





....hardly a TKD authority