more uk muaythai corruption

lucy payne now ranked no2 in the under 57kg..a 20 year old that has worked hard and beaten everyone who has stood in her way at 57kg gets booted out through 1 phone call from a member of the clique--no discussion,phone call,notice,nothing.

lies and cheating work in this game-simple as.
i will now stop working with ukmf until i get a full explanation and after the miriam fight i will look into representing another country if its possible because i cannot stand the stink of politics and i am no longer proud to be part of this waste..

Nathan,

can you be more specific? What actually happened and who contacted you. Try not to get into a slanging match but rather be professional as this is quite serious in view of other issues on here.

SHAUN

hi shaun,no-one phoned or contacted me via email to inform me of the changes.i pay my membership and am a member of ukmf and truly dont deserve this.just because another member rings up and says their girl is still fighting mt rules after she has clearly switched to mma,they change the rankings with no confirmation to myself.

it is all about who you are nowadays mate and i know everyone will come on here and give me shit,but this is not right-again.
lucy has not been beaten for the slot and the slot should remain as we have openly offered to defend the slot on any show.

i know this all seems to be touchgloves v ko lately and i know i got accused of starting threads over the weekend when it clearly wasnt me and if the moderators can remove it then why cant they confirm it wasnt me?

this is about an outfit/org that i joined because i considered to be the no1 for my sport and i have received blatant lies from a ukmf official on video recently and now this blatant disregard of a member who they feel is not as important or whose opinion isnt as strong as another--very unfair.

Because Ryan lost money on the Julie v Amanda cancellation he has removed Lucy from her spot in the rankings, shame on him, shame on the UKMF

Irrelevant of what camp Lucy fights out of, this is what makes the ranking systems a joke! Lucy deserves to be No.1 and any promoter booking fights will surely know this, and if what you say is true Paul Ward, then Ryan should be made an example of, disgraceful!

Left messages on nearly every ukmf number yesterday with still no reply.
This can only suggest that they cannot provide an answer or proof of their choice regarding the ranking change and further more an explanation as to why some members appear to be more important than others.

I'm through with them if I don't get answers shortly.
No great loss to them but there you go.

OH MY GOD!

stick up for nathan it could be you next this is done to

I briefly promoted Lucy to number one in March, then was told of the previous number one's record so reversed that in May. The UKMF rankings have had Lucy as number two since then.

Its totally impossible to do the rankings, no one provides results! I've said all along that I do not have the time to trawl through the internet to find out who has beaten who. There are a number of other problems with them, which I can't go into on a public forum.

The rankings has proved to be an impossible task for me to do. I have not had the complete results from one show, UKMF or not since I took over.

The only fight I know about Lucy having this year is the one I reffed. Nathan have you provided me with a result of a Lucy fight since then? Has she fought since then?

If Anna has not fought Thai Boxing for two years then she should be removed from the number one position.

Some one else can do it as I am not do the rankings anymore.

And there goes one of the good guys.

I wouldn't dream of organising the rankings...it's a just mind numbing, painstaking, thankless, siege of a chore which will simply never please anyone.

As far as i'm aware Lucy has had 2 fights since Sarah Daz mate, a win for a version of a world title and then a loss against Bonnie for K-1 Euro title at a higher weight which would effect 57 rankings.

And good luck doing a rankings system when your as busy as you are anyway?? You've no fooking chance! Full time gym, ref pretty much every weekend going up and down the country and promoting. Fair play for trying but well....you no my feelings on the whole thing mate. x

the rankings must b a nightmare to do.
especially if the top fighters dont fight each other.
i think i should be moved up in the rankings and also think that jose varela should be higher than he is.

i think its quite cool im even still in the rangkings considering i havnt fought in the uk for nearly 3 years.

and yeh i wouldnt like the job to do the rangkings.

Jay you are still British even if you havent fight in the uk for 3 years.

yeh i know!!! all i was saying was they done a goood job to keep me in the rankings as i been off the grid for a while but new i was till very active over in thailand.

I actually have total sympathy with Daz's comments if that's the case.

The trouble is that everyone has something to say about rankings, which are the hardest job to keep updated.
Absolutely no one sends in results, and on the rare occasion that is does happen they are incomplete in some way.

It is an impossible task that everyone who attempts them finds out very quickly.

Our industry is impossible to police as there are too many people that talk it but don't walk it. They like the idea of unified titles, pro/am divides and one governing body - but jump at the first XYZ title option offered to them for their 0-3 novice.

On balance, if this is the case may be Nathan has been a little hasty on this particular occasion, unless there is more to it.

But Dazza stepping down from the role? It's the best decision you'll ever make mate. Concentrate on something more positive that allows you to deliver a result!

I keep hearing things about uk mt corruption etc etc, wtf, (as much as I love MT and I really do honestly), it's a tiny minority sport that most people arent particularly interested in, with seriously small amount of money involved.Most gym owners and coaches at best scrape a poor living together and the majority do it for fun/love.People keep talking about it like theres some kind of illuminati minority that unscrupulously govern and control it for their own gain.Its hysterical in every sense of the word.

Some girl who has had a couple of fights may or may not be 1st or 2nd on some rankings that are maintained (or not as the case may be), by someone who gains very little from compiling said rankings.Its just not important.You really need to get something more important to worry about.

If all these things seem this ridiculous to me,God knows what anyone else looking in at the sport here might think.

You have a point to a degree, and I get what you are saying. But just because it may not be that serious a thing to you - others rely on some honesty and structure, just to scrape by in their chosen industry. There is an illuminati effect here to some degree but it has very little to do with amounts of money, just power (however small that might be in the grand scheme of things). And things have to be addressed.

In this case, I think the truth has outed straight away and there is nothing sinister occurring. Dazz had a hard job, not helped by a lethargic community full of good ideas, rights and wrongs - but not actually full of much help. I'm glad it's been mentioned.

I have an idea to sort the rankings, im quite happy to take on the role when i stop fighting but until then i dont have time

matthew,it becomes important when other fighters are offered international bouts because of where they are ranked.if they are contacted and wont fight then they recommend who they like and it becomes a scenario where britain is not offering its best fighters to represent--what could be more important to the sport?

this isnt about how hard compiling rankings are.i know how hard it must be.
but i thought a no1 slot had to be defended or innactive or an exceptional couple of performances from the no2/3 for things to warrant a change?

my main point is that lucy was removed from no1 without anyone being informed about it.
the ukmf took the word of another member and just changed it.
it dosent matter who i am or who the other member is-it should have been discussed and proved.

Just an FYI, on the UKMF rankings page there's a link where you can submit fight results.

http://www.ukmtf.co.uk/#/ukmf-title-results/4551713938

Typical - you offer no input or help to the people compiling the ratings, don't send in results and then jump up and down as soon as you don't agree with them.

Sorry Nathan but do you exoect them to contact every trainer every time they move them in the rankings.

We all get passionate about our fighters but I think there's a bit of an over reaction here!

Things in the UK are looking good for MT at the moment but all this public talk of corruption is going to set us all back.

Basil, thts for title fights. I was going to put my recent results on but none have been for titles.

Mr smith, defo good points, UK mt is looking very promising and hopefully soon people will be able to train/fight full time and earn a decent living from it.
We can only hope the recent debacle won't halt the progress.

mr smith.i am not jumping up and down and i am getting pretty peed off with being accused of doing so everytime i post.
you cannot possibly see my emotion via a keyboard.

anna has been ranked above lucy despite not fighting muaythai since lucy was ranked no1--end of.

so why was she moved?,its quite a basic question which stinks of corruption,i am entitled to my opinion as it involves my fighter.
so far ive had,
who cares,
leave it and
stop jumping up and down how much of a knob i am,

but no answer..

how would you like it if it was one of yours?

Keepyourguardup : Basil, thts for title fights. I was going to put my recent results on but none have been for titles.

Yeah, the page title does say Title Fights which looks a little misleading (they should probably change that), but if you chose the drop-down on the "Title" option and scroll down, the bottom option is "Non title fight".

I'd whack them in anyway, if it were me.

If it was one of mine mate I genuinely wouldn't care less. I think people take less notice of rankings than you think.

If you're not jumpining up and down I'd hate to see it if you were!

Nathan. You were contacted by Paul hamilton regards this matter and asked to give me a call. Although i have resigned from any UKMF activity I remain Pauls friend and he asked me to look into your concerns. As he's unwell and not easily contactable I agreed. Im still waiting for your call. And yet youre finding time to write on here. Which I can promise will change nothing. I await your contact.

It is worth noting the UKMF paid for your juniors to compete abroad last year. Whilst I accept the two issues are unrelated I would have thought the gesture might at least have earned the UKMF enough courtesy for you to call them rather than generate a derisive thread.

In conclusion the next move's yours to make.

Nathan - I dont agree I don't think people take that much notice of the rankings because everyone knows that they are basically bollocks.If the fighters are good, and the gym is good, and not hard work to deal with I'm sure all international promoters will come looking or will deal with you if you put fighters names forward.UK MT rankings are nothing like boxing etc.

As far as I can make out even the rankings in Thailand don't seem to paint a very accurate picture.As an example I remember looking at them a few years ago and seeing a guy I know from Samui (someone you'd know as you've trained with Jun)being quite high in stadium and Thai national rankings even though he hadn't fought in bangkok or stadiums for absolutly ages, maybe at least a year at that point.

I think it seems like everyone jumps down your throat on ax as the tone of a lot of your posts are confrontational, aggressive, paranoid and some times confusing and unclear.Maybe you don't intend them this way but its how they come across.It can happen that way with things that are typed, internet and text etc they can be interpreted differently than intended?

Trying to rank MT fighters is as difficult as trying to rank White Collar boxers...good luck with either.

Is it really corruption? Can it be called corruption when only 1 person cares?

Rather than coming on a public forum which will get you more wound up contact ukmf or Challenge Anna (now no.1) in writing if they say no because she no longer competes in MT then forward that reply to the UKMF so they have written confirmation and then they will take action. No one will do anything from reading a post on a public forum. If it is something you feel strongly about then the time your spending on here should be spent contacting the right people. Just my opinion :-)

Nathan

Once again your insane paranoid rants are economical with the truth .

Anna was ranked at no 1 . She acquired this with wins over Bernice and Sarah Mc .

Anna was inactive because of no reasonable offers to fight . ( perhaps her counter style was frustrating. ? )

Anna was placed at no2 . (Without any notification) I queried this on this very forum and all these points where raised . " put a reasonable on the table and Anna will fight " . I then made my views know to the ukmf.

Amanda is ranked at no 2 ? . A number of my fighters are ranked below fighters they have beaten or even not ranked whatsoever ie Richmond Anan .
So if I am this all powerfull being what power do I exsert ?

Anna is fed up to the teeth and had to pull out of one international fight with injury . Having recovered she has just fought and won a mma fight . I am sure she will call it a day with MT and carry on with MMA .

Nathan you suffer from many thing one of which is a persecution complex .

I am sure everyone is sick to death of your crap . I am .

In hindsite of reading this thread, and the carry on with wakleing and levin i have to say that Mr smith made a fantastic point.

All pulling in different directions is gonna set us all back. UK muay thai is getting better and within a couple of years it will increase again prob 3 fold, however the UKMF is the only organisation that has managed to bring the community together, giving proper titles and only 1 at each weight, i know its not perfect but its the best we got at the moment and unless people try to push it forward in the right way then we are gonna be starting all over again. I know there are instances which make people angry or annoyed eg. the liam R shorts fiasco, the wakeling/levin saga and now your rankings obsession nathan. However to make any sport legitimate as far as the real world is concerned you need 1 maybe 2/3 controlling bodys.

Not everyone is gonna be happy about every decision try to take the good out of it, sometime looking at the bigger picture is the best for everyone. Steve wakeling fought a draw with artem levin for christ sake thats awesome!!

Yes nathan your obviously upset about the rankings but she is still no 2 in the country is that so different from no 1?? does it really matter that much and if it does then go through the correct channels rather than slaggin people off on this forum.

I honestly think this forum could ultimatley be detrimental to our sport rather than beneficial

Anna was ranked at no 1 . She acquired this with wins over Bernice and Sarah Mc .

how long ago?

Anna was inactive because of no reasonable offers to fight . ( perhaps her counter style was frustrating. ? )

everyone knows i challenged her with lucy more than once on here..


Anna was placed at no2 . (Without any notification) I queried this on this very forum and all these points where raised . " put a reasonable on the table and Anna will fight " . I then made my views know to the ukmf.

thats all i am doing bill-but i get jumped on.

Anna is fed up to the teeth and had to pull out of one international fight with injury . Having recovered she has just fought and won a mma fight . I am sure she will call it a day with MT and carry on with MMA .

so she hasnt fought muaythai since being ranked below lucy and is quitting mt so why change it and lose lucy potential opportunities?

also bill calling me insane isnt nice mate,you are poorly and i have not once disrespected you in that matter so stop doing it please..

i am fed up with you lying,when the ranking thread came up ryan said lucy shouldnt be no1 and then you raved on falsely about anna having upcoming fights.its not my fault if she was injured and lucy beat 2 others at the weight.
her fight with sarah was stated by the promoter as a fight for the -57kg no1.

and if rankings are not important then why did a member of one of uks top gyms (bill) do the same as me and complain about it to get it changed.
it seems i am not allowed on here sometimes.

Nathan says: "i have not once disrespected you "

That's absolutely true to be fair, 10 or 20 times maybe, but not once.

You love to dish out insults but for some reason get very offended if people react. Typical behaviour of a bully, going from aggressor to victim as soon as they get told off.

Funny this, I still don't understand how a fighter can be ranked No 1. in a Muay Thai Federation rankings, if they don't do FTR.

Taking in to consideration those in the No 1. to No. 4 are probably fighting for British and above titles.

Not been on Ax for ages. So much bickering still. If I left it a year I'd probably find the same again. Seems to me Nathan will lose his team opportunities with his ways. Sometimes you've just got to play the game pal. Bit of political movIng etc. it's how it is.

I don't agree with some of the comments regarding MT is in a good place. The statement may be true. But it will only be true for a few. There will be people right now manoeuvring to make it all cosy for the themselves. If the whole MT community benefits directly from the likes of Barry Hearn being involved in the sport I will show my Ass at a show of anyone's choice!

Theres already a feel good vibe pulling people along but most will have their eyes closed. At the day of reckoning those pulling you along will have feathered their nest at your expense. I can see a two tier MT forming here very quickly and those doing the negotiating will see it as their devine right. It seems the Barry Hearn gig was being kept hush hush for a while. Mmmmm I wonder why.

Let's wait and see eh?

The gyms producing good fighters will benefit from Barry Hearn being involved its as simple as that.

Nash Keshwala is involved by the looks of it because of his ties with the WBC and I don't think there is anyone who can accuse him of being biased towards any particular gym or clique.

Previous shows have included fighters from a lot of gyms large and small with titles being contested by fighters from Lumpini, Dean Whites , Keddles and Scorpions to name just a few.

Let's try and be a bit positive about this opportunity and get behind everyone involved and see where I can take the sport.