Should you train technique when physically fatigued? It’s a great question, and to grasp the answer it’s crucial you understand how your body learns skilled movement of any kind – get it wrong and doom yourself to hours of corrective practise, get it right and short-cut to reliable skill in adverse conditions.

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technique is best when tired its what you come t rely on if you gas! if you can do it tired you can do it better when not

I think he's talking about learning new techniques though. Agree that one's form should be tested when exhausted as maintaining form and rhythm really helps. When you're tired the more you can use technique instead of strength the easier it is to pump out those multiple kicks or punches.

If you were teaching someone something new, I agree that it doesn't make sense to teach them when they are already exhausted and their brain is slightly retarded. Better to teach the technique first, then apply it in padwork, then do stamina thereafter.

it would be ridiculous to teach a new technique to a fatigued fighter their brains wouldnt be able to absorb no where near aswell i think dehydration has the same affect

ist what I struggle with most after pad rounds is technique. technique usually goes to shit when knackered, its why people throw haymakers,out of desperation that something might connect lol!

:)

What I've explained in the article is that repetition build habits - and these can be good or bad ones(Schmidt 1991).

Tired, fatigued (bad) form repeated too often will 'break' your skill. You MUST test skill under fatigue, but not to the detriment of form. Stick to blasting well established, stable skills that remain intact under pressure/fatigue.

Keep practising the less stable skills under fresher conditions to hard-wire the movement patterns correctly - then blast them later when they'll stay crisp.

More in the article:
heatrick.com/2012/11/04/technique-training-when-tired/

In a balance board test 3 students were tasked to balance a one mtr long board over a fulcrum point. At each end of the board were electrodes that registered on a counter the number of touch downs.
All 3 students endured different circumstances. One was blind folded. The other had their horizon blocked the third no restrictions and as much practice as they liked.

the test last 20 mins and a record made of their official count.

All three were invited back one week later and the test repeated.

All 3 showed an improvement of at least 50% over the previous results.

The conclusion was that the brain continues to process information and tasks long after said task is finished. And skill is acquired over building muscle memory (which in reality is the brain processing a task)

But what also came of the test was that massive gains are made in the first portion of the test which quantitive advances tailing off exportentially as fatigue sets it.

conclusion. Training whilst tired is a flawed return on effort expended.

absolutely agree with that dave you can get better at something just by thinking about it

ha ha well no but letting some thing sink in and putting some thought to it for sure.

i see so many people do some thing wrong over and over again. it nevers get better just with repetition. and once the brains fried it struggles to register information.

visulization is proven to work watching something and thinking about doing it you will do better than someone that hasnt thought about it, i studied that at college

like you say though tech a guy for one hour let him go away for an hour and come back for another hour there will be no difference but if you leave it a week to ponder improvements happen naturally

Thought you has left Paulinthailand? Admit it you can leave lol.

no i just decided im not speaking to you any more! normally you say some interesting things and are smart then you say some things to get peoples backs up, do i know you?

That's an interesting study Dave, I haven't come across that one. Thanks for sharing. The blind-folded balance subject certainly had a challenge! :)

Mental rehearsals (visualisations) have been shown to activate the same neural and central nervous system pathways as the physical movement, and can certainly train skill. It's a tool injured athletes can use to help maintain skill despite being unable to physically practice.

It's all interesting stuff, love it.

Do I know you ?

i say exactly the same you get fit in your time you come to classes to learn not get fit

Getting fit - physical conditioning - definitely demands work outside of technical/tactical Muay Thai sessions. Although Muay Thai training can serve to develop some physical conditioning characteristics, to get sufficient overload you need to supplement with targeted strength & conditioning sessions that boost your individual fitness profile as required.

We all need something different, and therefore we should go out and personally address this as efficiently as possible, then crack on with building our Muay Thai skills.

Apologies Steve if you feel that I'm trying to lecture you - not my intention mate.

I guess one mans 'obvious' is another's 'aha!' :)

I was simply trying to clarify the valid points both you and Paul had made in context of what I'd written.

Lol, it's the draw-back of written text - can't gauge tone of voice!