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Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-22 15:23:20
So who is gonna be the fastest at posting the results?
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-22 15:31:02
haha..its gonna be me!

...Just spoke to Mr Smith and he has given me these results. The rest of the fights are still happening.

Liam Harrison was dropped by the Thai in the 4th but got up and KOed the Thai in the 5th
Zak won on points
darren Balshaw won by KO
Kevin Harper won by TKO round 1 (Wakeling broke his shin on Harpers block)

more results as they come in....
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-22 16:44:53
please include the fights under full contact rules as well, thanks.. and that block must have been some block!
Muaythai King
Posted: 2003-06-22 18:22:57
Well done to Liam and Kevin.
Unlucky for Steven! Broken shin....OUCH!
Hope he has a speedy recovery!!
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-22 18:27:29
-----FULL MUAY THAI
Liam HarrisonV Kiawsot - Harrison Wins by KO Round 5
Sak Nayagam V Teerapong - Teerapong gets points decision
Steve Wakeling V Kevin Harper - Harper wins after wakeling gets 1st round injury
Darren Balshow V Pi Daeng - Balshow wins by 4th Round Ko

-----KICKBOXING
Riad Azzawi V John Sheilds - Riad gets points decision
Stuart Lawson V (Michal Dickes?) - Lawson Points

-----FULL MUAY THAI
Frankie Hudders V Roungsak - Draw
Damien Trainor V Rougnchi - Rougnchi win 3rd or 4th rnd stoppage (Trainor cut)
Kieren Kedde V Denchai - Denchai winsRd 2, Keddle Injured

StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-22 18:31:45
This was a badly organised show unfortunately. The Crowd were not happy at the long waiting between fights, the very late start, no food, and some decisions.

I thought the worst decision was Sak V Teerapong. Sak Got a decision against him on points when I beleived he was ahead and was not in trouble.

The Thai took the last round with good knees but unless He Knocked Sak out, he was too far behind to win IMO

But KOs Sak took it like a true gentleman, He fought with a great heart and did a fine Job. Well Done.




StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-22 18:58:40
JKO or JOKE?
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-22 19:02:40
Well done fighters, I enjoyed the Thai fights, lots of good techniques, and skills on display. Harper and Wakeling will have to rematch again once the injury is better, looks quite a long one?

Ill speak more about what I thought of each fight as other people that were there join the discussion. I have lots of views on the night.

Kara
Posted: 2003-06-22 19:53:00
I have to agree with Stephen on Sak's result, it was a bit surprising. But as usual he was a complete gentleman and sportsman both before and after the fight. Beautiful flying elbows Sak!

Liam's fight was an absolute cracker, and such a great way to start the evening. I thought Darren Balshaw did really well also.

It was too bad that three of the fights I was really looking forward to seeing ended so quickly (Wakeling v Harper, Damien v Thai and Kieran v Thai).

What a game guy Michael Dicks is as well, taking the fight on such short notice and never having fought full contact rules before. It really does show that there are fighters out there who are willing to do what they have to to get fights.

Well done to all the fighters!
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 03:05:03
Wasnt the Thai who Frankie fought 10kg lighter ?????
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 03:29:07
Ok, for what its worth, here are my thoughts on the show!! :)

Liam was amazing, excellent fight, and he showed a lot of heart to come back from that knockdown, to put the thai on his arse!

Sak was robbed!!

No offence to Darren, but the Thai he fought was very suspect, but Darren had a job to do, and he did it perfectly. I dont know about anyone else, but I was really worried for the thai, when they were showing on the big screen, what was going on with the paramedics. Thankfully he was ok.

Big well done to Kevin Harper.
Felt sorry for wakeling, but Harper looked so focused, and it showed at the end. Can anyone explain what Kevin was going on about in the interview, about being attacked on the internet!!! I've never seen him attacked on here, does anyone else have thoughts on the subject? (might be an idea to start a new thread!!)

Unlucky Kieran, but we know you'll be back kicking some butt real soon :)

Hudder was a good fight, and a draw seemed a fair result.

Damians thai was awesome, yet Damion was holding on in there, but the elbows were coming in so well.

Mike Dicks beasted Lawson for 5 rounds!!!

John Shields against Jacko's son!!!!! Complete and utter disgrace!! So obvious it was a fix...again.

Venue was terrible, certainly not fitting for the fighters that were on it!! and 25 to stand at the back of a swealtering hall is disgusting!
And started an hour and a half late, and all the delays between fights...aaarrgghhhhhhhhh!!!

Im in a bad mood now!!
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-23 03:33:22
'This was a badly organised show unfortunately. The Crowd were not happy at the long waiting between fights, the very late start'

I've got to say that's why I didn't go to the show. Having enjoyed Bill Judd's show so much in Feb was looking forward to this one, however I was pretty sure that the organisation wouldn't be as good and didn't want to waste a rare day off. Jacko, you've got to sort that mate, you've got a rep for running bad shows! You can have the best fighters in the world but that doesn't matter I'm afraid. You can have all novice fighters but if it's run right and the show flows nicely it's a better event.

This is the entertainment business, if Eminem came on an hour late, did 3 numbers then went off for half hour, then came back for 2 more before going off again, people would be well pissed off! Why is it OK to have that at a fight night?
ian stewardson
Posted: 2003-06-23 03:43:15
Didnt think much of the venue,although i thought the fights were good personally would have to say i thought Liams fight was the fight of the night and he did brilliantly to stop his opponent in the fith.From a spectaters point of view i thought the evening was spoilt by a couple of bad decisions namely in the full contact i think everyone in the stratford rex new who one the john sheils fight but yet for the second time it went against him and to be honest i thought micheal dicks might have nicked his fight as well but that wasnt as blatant.
Adrian R
Posted: 2003-06-23 04:17:42
Agree with the above. John Sheilds was robbed, how can someone who had a standing 8 against them and nothing to his opponent win?
The venue was not the best - late starting show, lots of breaks inbetween fights, sauna conditions. A lot of money for this show
Just goes to show how professional Bill Judds show's are.

Bring back York Hall

All credit to Michael Dickes who took the fight on 1 hours notice - hands on hips and gasping for air when ever he got a chance - I reckon he got rung from the pub
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 04:26:45
Zebs

Well its looks like the best pound for pound got pounded , Keddle, Hudders,Trainor.

Was Hudders Thai 10kg lighter.

Why was the venue so bad !!!!!

Was Harper on top what did he stop him with a elbow is Harper now with Nongkee Payuyuth.
dirty dave
Posted: 2003-06-23 04:31:20
Big well done to Liam, nice one Mr Mouse.
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-23 04:51:50
Harper is definitely with Nongkee Pahuyuth now. According to the official weigh-in I've got Hudder's thai (Pi Daeng) at 59.5 and Hudders at 64.5.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 05:04:11
Kara

On the Weigh in that Dan G did the Thai was 57.5kg & i was told this morning Hudders was 66kg so 8.5kg heavier thats alot of weight.

Kara
Posted: 2003-06-23 05:04:48
Zeb, I looked around for you last night but couldn't spot you and assumed that you must've stayed home for your anniversary. (sounds like you're a bit sorry you didn't now!) I brought the hard copies of the pictures of you and Gary from the K1 to give to you, and I think I do still owe you 15 as well (whoops). Next time I guess. And happy belated anniversary by the way.
Kara
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-23 05:07:34
Once again I get the wrong information,I really don't know why I bother sometimes. Just call me miss information. sigh.

That is a pretty big difference, you're right.
FATBOY
Posted: 2003-06-23 05:25:46
Kara,

I was unable to get down for this event last night, do you know if a full video of the event will be available soon?? I know that it will be featured on C5 soon but they don't usually show all of the fights.

Hope you are well.

Cheers,

FB'Slim
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-23 05:29:19
"I've got to say that's why I didn't go to the show. Having enjoyed Bill Judd's show so much in Feb was looking forward to this one, however I was pretty sure that the organisation wouldn't be as good and didn't want to waste a rare day off."

Colin, good idea, I should've saved myself the 25 and just waited til the show went to air on TV... but the line-up was so great I just couldn't allow myself to miss so many exciting fights.

Taking nothing away from the fighters, they fought with heart and all did their camps proud. The atmosphere and support from the fans was brilliant too, such a good crowd.

It is just such a shame that the overall event was tainted by the poor organisation and total lack of consideration for the people who have come from all over England to watch so many great fighters. This is the second time I've been to a Jacko promoted show at the Rex and it is the second time I've had to wait outside for over an hour and a half before being let in, only to be informed that there is going to be a further hours delay to the start of events. Add to this the fact that drinks were overpriced and bottles/cans of drink were being confiscated at the door upon entry (including softs), we had to pay 2 for a programme, which had the wrong information anyway, the only people who were able to get food were the ones who had ringside/VIP tickets, not only did the show start late but we then had to suffer a second interval following the John Shiels fight because of some sort of commotion at ringside! AND to add insult to injury we were fobbed off with a couple of well dodgy decisions, which were so obviously wrong it was laughably unbelieveable. Sak Nayagam and John Shiels should have both won their fights and although they didn't on paper, anyone who saw the actual fights knows who the real winners are. Well done lads, we know you're the true winners!

It certainly looks like Mr Jacko's going to have to go a long way to beat Master B's Thunder & Lightning shows.
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-23 06:18:57
Close decisions that people disagee with happen all the time and that's life really... however the standards of the Bill Judd should be the norm and certainly I have always followed a simple rule on my show, that is if a fight finishes in the ring then get another one in there! Having long breaks is nearly always down to piss poor organisation.

Me, I didn't go. Went for a bike ride with my family, had a few drinks and a nice curry last night. It was great and no long intervals between courses!
The Truth
Posted: 2003-06-23 08:49:53
If any of u question the results of this show just have a look at some of ali jakos old fights and youll see a connection!!!
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 09:37:44
Stevie,

Were you really not there??

Well, the Wakeling/Harper fight was only about 40 seconds!!

Wakeling threw a right low kick, Harper blocked it and it seems like it cracked Wakelings shin (dont know if that has been confirmed!)
End of story. The fight wasn't long enough to say if anyone was on top.


and, Yes!! The venue was that bad!!

stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 09:43:23
Zebs

He cut him with a elbow also didnt he.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 09:46:31
Zebs

Yep i was there just thought i would ask these questions for the fun of it "idiot"
JD
Posted: 2003-06-23 09:51:49
farce
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 09:58:28
Now now Stevie, dont get rude!! I thought it would have been strange if you weren't there, but felt I ought to answer your question.:)

I didnt see Wakeling with a cut, but as I was about half a mile away, I wouldnt have been able to tell if he had!!

What did you think of the show??




zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:00:07
LOL

:)
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:06:01
Its would have been better if you had been fighting LOL.


What were the Thais like Zebs were they good.


Was the fight for WMC belt.

What was the Keddle fight like i am shocked him & Wakeling lost 2 be honest good job im not a gambling man.
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:33:16
I think it was Stevens WMC belt that was up.

Im gutted Kieran lost, as he truly is one of the nice guys of this sport, but he'll be back stronger than ever.

The Thais who fought Hudders/Trainor/Keddle/Harrison were very good and certainly weren't brought over to lie down. Nothing against the other 2, who were still very good, but not at the level as the others.

Dan G
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:37:21
It was for the vacant WAKO-pro belt


Liam's thai was a very good match for him and he put on a very mature and composed performance but his thai wasnt the standard of the other three (Hudders/Keddle/Trainor)

Yes Frankie did have a weight advantage.

Should have a report up in a day or two.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:39:42
Zebs

I think and im not slagging but LOL Ying Yai would beat Harper im shocked Wakeling lost.

Keddle is the tops yes he will be back, When will it be on tv any idea.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:42:38
Dan

Were them 3 Thais a higher level would you say.

Will Harper be fighting Ying Yai Dan any idea i heard he was fighting a rematch with Wakeling for it.
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:45:39
Stevie,

I didn't see a cut of any description on Stephen's face, and I was ringside. But my eyesight is similiar to that of a mole, so I would not take it as gospel. The fight was over so early, it was impossible to make any call, but both fighters looked very focused and there did not seem any love lost between the two of them! It was set to be a stormer.

I wish Stephen a speedy recovery, from the replay's it looked very painful.

Kieran got caught very early by a kick that landed just below his hip joint in a very awkward and painful spot. It appeared to numb his entire leg and was unable to block or kick, he tried to fight on but the Thai saw his opportunity and took full advantage of Kierans dis-position.

Kierans fine and has no complaints, it's part and parcel of the game. He'll put that one down to experience, learn from it, come back a better fighter and move on, he always does and will continue to do so. People forget that despite his near 50 fights experience - he is only 22 years old, gets better all the time, but is still not at his prime.

He has at least another three fights this year and I have no doubts that my brother will make amends for this loss, and belive me, someone will pay!!

Cheers,
SK

zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:49:12
Oh, I didnt know it was the WAKO-Pro title.

Why was Steves title not up?
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:49:57
P.S It will probably be me that pays, I am going back down the gym this week after having a few months off and bound to get my 'bigger than usual' butt kicked!

Its hard being the dwarf in my family, but at least I dont look like Sandy!!
JD
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:54:02
the talk after was of both belts being put up for the rematch, lets just hope it's not on one of Ali Jackoffs shows
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-23 10:55:54
JD

Ali Jackoff...ROFLMAO
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-23 11:50:38
lol JD.

Stevie maybe you're thinking of Damion Trainors fight? He was cut on the forehead by an elbow?
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-23 12:05:39
MiniLuv

Thanks i going to sack my informers LOL.

I was told Harper stopped him with a elbow in rnd 1.

There not much difference in Wakeling & Trainor only about 15kg & 1ft LOL.
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-23 12:16:04
easy mistake to make I guess lol
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 20:54:55
some great fights !
Some Good comments WELL PUT above !
Well done to kev harper, Sorry to see Stephen out so early ! as said above ! it would have been a Stormer of a re-match ! Shame it didnt go the Distance !
Felt for Stephen ! But i like both guys ! I think they are quietly spoken and Good advocates for the Sport too ! And kevin was up for this re-match it showed ! Thats what happens in them ! 2 ways i tell my students and others re: re-matches ! Said as an overview BTW !
1. The first winner says! "im gonna send you back where ya came ! and DONT come back for a Third" ! ive beat em once and i will beat em again approach !

2. The runner up to the first Battle says! " Im gonna settle this and the score ! This time i WILL win ! This is Mine !

And poss: Kev had the bigger will to win this time ?

Ref: IMO
Sak v the Thai !
I was Gutted for Sak ! Me and Malcom ( we was Commentating Ringside Btw. )
Both felt Sak won on our, as we do for every fight a Unofficial Score card !
But i have to say ! Also the Thai he fought Didnt bring the Best out of Sak ! and it was a little lethargic Fight and the Thai IMO Didnt look like a Fighter ! he seamed asleep for 3 rounds ! ? Taking nothing away from Sak ! I like the Dude He has a great disposition and a True sportsman ! And you can only fight what was put in front of him ! Bad judging i thought on that `1`

Liam Harrisson and Richard and lisa will tell you Exactly what i said about / to Liam !
Hes had a ton of Praise off me just after the Fight ! I meant every word !
"BEST Fight hes had to date " ! "Quality" !
Frankie ! had a good 2.5 rounds and was the Much better kicker ! but was Frustrated in the Thais Clinch ! Who was a Master @ that ! he used his greater Experience to full use ! and confused Frankie ! But i felt and predicted the result to malcolm just b4 the end as a Draw ! And a Good result ! well done !
Btw ! the Spec: i had was Frankie 64.5 and The Thai gent 59.5 so 5 kilos or 6 as was given to me also ! Was the Difference ! But the Thai had 100 fights to less than Half that for Frankie approx 45 i think ! ?
Darren Balshaw ! did well ! and the Thai wasnt the best class ! But in fairness toi Darren it was his 14th: Fight and The Thai gents 40th: So.........

Ref: the last minute-i will have a-scrap Michael Dickes.com
well classic case of Take 4 weapons away from a Thai-Boxer and Give him a few hours notice ? Well he did damn fine ! And it WAS kick-Boxing rules with above the waist style too ! I thought it just took him 3 rounds to settle ! The F.C fighter was well fit and did what he had and does best ! to catch the judges attention! With all that padding ! michael wasnt hurt as we know ! But he did manage to bang Stuart Lawson a few times ! But you should know ! it was their rules and flashy catches the judges eyes !
Shame for Michael BUT waht a GUY ! Hats off to him yep !!!!! Just for taking it so close ! And with `4` weapons tied behind his back and NO low kicks too BOOT ( scuse the pun)

John Shields vRyhiad Alwazawi
mmmmmmmmmmmmm Oh Dear ! Bad, bad, bad !
Mine and Malcoms score sheet read same
Round1
10-10
R2
10-10
R3
10-10
R4
10-8 ( Standing 8 count defo: right ruling by the Ref: too ) in favour 10 must points to 8 For john Shields )
R5
10-9
In favour John Shields
Total score on BOTH our sheets = 50 to 47
What do you think ?
and for it to go the Other way ! Was a sham ! and a Disgrace to Good Fights show !

Kieran ! "Damn" Felt for him !
he got Kicked spot on the Nerve @ the Top of the Thigh ! "ead leg Hell" !
Anyon who has took a Low kick there ? will know !
No way Kireans gonna Take a dive OR show pain ? if he wasnt hit !
OH boy the Thai Fighter kicked him Right and hard !
Shame for the Boy ! BUT as said above ! watch this space ! Yepo !

Damion trainer
What started a great fight ! BOTH was hot ! but the Thai was sharper than a Mach-3 blade with those Downward circular elbows Cutting Damien twice !
A wise desc: by his corner ref: stopping the fighton the stool round 2 !
the Thai was well on form ! poss: having seen `2` of the 6 man team get KOed ! What would you be like if you was the Anchor man ?
this was the deciding result
I predicted `3` A piece ( 3 All )
It was close
it was 3 wins to Thailand !
2 Wins to England
`1` Draw !
Good result i believe !
:)))))))))))))
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:11:05
LONDON pics: +results U.K v Thailand
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:17:39
LONDON Results / Fights !

Well done to kev harper, Sorry to see Stephen out so early ! as said above ! it would have been a Stormer of a re-match ! Shame it didnt go the Distance !
Felt for Stephen ! And i like both guys ! GREAT Fighters and I think they are quietly spoken and Good advocates for the Sport too ! kevin was up for this re-match it showed ! Thats what happens in them ! `2` ways i tell my students and others re:- `re-matches` ! ` Said as an overview BTW` !
1. The first winner says! "im gonna send you back where ya came ! and DONT come back for a Third" ! ive beat em once and i will beat em again approach !

2. The runner up to the first Battle says! " Im gonna settle this and the score ! This time i WILL win ! This is Mine !

And poss: Kev had the bigger will to win this time ?

Ref: IMO
Sak v the Thai !
I was Gutted for Sak ! Me and Malcolm ( we was Commentating Ringside Btw. )
Both felt Sak won on our, as we do for every fight a Unofficial Score card !
But i have to say ! Also the Thai he fought Didnt bring the Best out of Sak ! and it was a little lethargic Fight and the Thai IMO Didnt look like a Fighter ! he seamed asleep for 3 rounds ! ? Taking nothing away from Sak ! I like the Dude He has a great disposition and a True sportsman ! And you can only fight what was put in front of him ! `Bad judging i thought on that `1`

Liam Harrisson and Richard and lisa will tell you Exactly what i said about / to Liam !
Hes had a ton of Praise off me just after the Fight ! I meant every word !
"BEST Fight hes had to date " ! "Quality" !


Frankie Hudders ! He had a good 2.5 rounds and was the Much better kicker ! but was Frustrated in the Thais Clinch ! Who was a Master @ that ! he used his greater Experience to full use and confused Frankie ! But i felt and predicted the result to malcolm just b4 the end as a Draw ! And a Good result i felt and well done !
Btw ! the `Speck` i had was Frankie 64.5 Kilos and The Thai gent 59.5 ! So 5 kilos or 6 as was given to me also ! Was the Difference ! But the Thai had 100 fights to less than Half that for Frankie approx 45 i think ! ?


Darren Balshaw ! did well ! and the Thai wasnt the best class ! But in fairness to Darren it was his 14th: Fight and The Thai gents 40th: So......... Fair enough ! and well done !

Ref: the WWW.Last-Minute-i -will-have-a-scrap -Michael- -Dickes.com
Well classic case of Take 4 weapons away from a Thai-Boxer and Give him a few hours notice ? .what do u expect? Well he did damn fine ! And it WAS kick-Boxing rules with above the waist style too ! I thought it just took him 3 rounds to settle ! The F.C fighter was well fit and did what he had and does best ! to catch the judges attention! With all that padding ! michael wasnt hurt as we know ! But he did manage to bang Stuart Lawson a few times ! But you should know ! it was their rules and flashy catches the judges eyes !
Shame for Michael BUT what a GUY ! Hats off to him yep !!!!! Just for taking it so close ! And with `4` weapons tied behind his back and NO low kicks too BOOT ( scuse the pun) !

John Shields vRyhiad Alwazawi
mmmmmmmmmmmmm Oh Dear ! Bad, bad, bad !
Mine and Malcolms score sheet read same
Round1
10-10
R2
10-10
R3
10-10
R4
10-8 ( Standing 8 count defo: right ruling by the Ref: too ) in favour 10 must points to 8 For john Shields )
R5
10-9
In favour John Shields
Total score on BOTH our sheets = `50 to 47` !
What do you think ?
and for it to go the Other way ! Was a sham ! and a Disgrace to a Good Fights show !

Kieran ! "Damn" Felt for him !
he got Kicked spot on the Nerve @ the Top of the Thigh ! "ead leg Hell" !
Anyon who has took a Low kick there ? will know !
No way Kireans gonna Take a dive OR show pain ? if he wasnt hit !
OH boy the Thai Fighter kicked him Right and hard !
Shame for the Boy ! BUT as been said , watch this space ! Yepo !

Damien Trainor
What started a great fight ! BOTH was hot ! but the Thai was sharper than a:- `Mach-3 blade` with those Downward circular elbows Cutting Damien twice !
A wise desc: by his corner ref: stopping the fighton the stool round 2 !
the Thai was well on form ! poss: having seen `2` of the 6 man team get KOed ! What would you be like if you was the Anchor man ?
this was the deciding result!!!! And last fight / ers !
I predicted `3` A piece ( 3 All )
It was close
it was 3 wins to Thailand !
2 Wins to England
`1` Draw !
Good result i believe !
:)))))))))))))

P.S. Yepo the Time ? boo hoo

i got home @ 6.am monday Morning !

600 Miles round trip ! Knackered !

p.p.s. Thanks Zebs for the Directions help ( Both ways ) lol And a good chat on the Phone on our way home ! Both too bust @ the fights ! :p



Stay Well !
Stay Happy !
Stay Lucky !
Love LIFE ! Live LIFE !
SANDY man HOLT
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:45:13

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:45:52
Malcolm and Kara Channel-5 Main commentators
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:46:35

im the V-Ugly co-commentator
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:47:15

Pre-fight "KIDDLES"
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:48:05
YES "Kiddles" my new knickname for em ! Esp: Lardy TOP man Shaun ! :p
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:49:09

I asked Shaun to take a pic: This is what they did with my camera ! lol
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:50:18

i called him a Kiddle ( Shaun ) and asked for a team kiddles and me shot ! I got filled in LOL
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:51:25

mid fights Demo action very good BTW Chloe Bruce
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:52:01

Sak the slayer Pre-fight pic:
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:53:19

Liam Harrison the desc:
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:54:05

The Winner punches the sky and salutes the leeds and fight fans
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:54:51

Liams Thai Opponent leaves the ring
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:55:51

Interview after fight for t.v. With malcolm
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:56:58

Sak nayagam enters the Ring
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:57:25

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:57:57

His Thai opponent
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:58:29

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 21:59:02

After fight Interview
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 22:04:24

Kev harper and team
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 22:05:27

Deano White the great trainer from Wakefield
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 22:20:43

Stephens Entrance
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 22:38:47

Stephen wakeling vaulting the Top rope
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-23 22:57:36

Paul Hennessy with the World W.A.K.O.-pro Title Belt
Mr Smith
Posted: 2003-06-24 03:31:07
Only got home late monday night so I missed posting yesterday, but just to add my "two penneth" - well done to Liam. Cracking bout - both guys knocked lumps out of one another. Liam got dropped in the 4th by a great head kick but recovered and put the Thai down himself in the 4th. Liam capitalised on this and Ko'd him in the 5th. A very exciting bout.

This was a very mature performance from a young up and coming fighters and his toughest test yet.

With regard to Frankie Hudders fight, I saw the Thai weigh in - he was 57.5kg and Frankie was 65 ..... but I think there was some mix up and Stephan Fox said they expected Frankie to be 63 (which I think he was last time) and they though the Thai would come in heavier. Also - I know that Frankie was prepared to fight whoever was put in front of him and that he was disappointed when he heard about the weight difference.

However - The Thai Frankie fough had over 300 fights and he was awesome. I believe he is NokweeDavy's brother. He did not allow Frank to use his weight advantage - pressed forward all the time forcing the fight into the clinch and using clever technique to wear Frankie down. It was an absolutely brilliant fight and nothing was taken away from it by the fact that the guys were different weights. Many people though the Thai won, but I dont think anyone had a problem with a draw.

Other than the weight difference with this fight, I though that the matching overall was very good.

I agree that the organisation needs to be sorted out and the whole thing needs to be run more professionally. The WMC guys - Ralph Beale etc ran the fights side of it very well and should be congratulated on a good job but it was the other stuff that needed sorting.

I was asked to Judge the first kickboxing bout Riad Azzawi V John Sheilds, and I gave it to Shields. Another judge gave it to Shields too and the third judge gave it a draw. I was therefore very surprised when they announced the winner as Azzawi!!!!! On the basis of my honest decision making absolutely no difference to the outcome of the fight, I refused to judge the other kickboxing fight, which I have to say was a joke anyway. I will leave it to other people to speculate as to what happened.

I reckon there were 4 or maybe 5 fights that were good enough for TV - I hope to goodness that the rest dont get shown!

Well done to Jacko for pulling off the show, but I hope that he will learn some lessons from this one and organise things better next time!
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-24 03:45:22
Tell us more about the judging on the KB fight. How can they get away with two judges going for one but him not getting the decision??. Who was sanctioning that particular fight?? I know there were various bodies represented there but surely there must have one body in charge of that fight??.

Not trying to make trouble as such but this sort of think stinks. I stopped 'sanctioning' my shows through an particular body when i KNOW the scorecards were changed. We should not accept this crap so if it did happen let's expose that.

As for the TV, I always think that the best 'fight' on these TV shows is watching the crush as some people fight to get their face in on the post fight interview LOL!
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-24 05:06:19
Im glad you said that Richard as I had heard that, but wasnt sure if it should be posted as I had got the infomation 3rd hand.

I didnt (in my nieve little way!) think that things like that went on in todays game, but how wrong we are!!
This is completely disgusting, and I feel that whoever the sanctioning body was of that fight, should change the decision.
I also feel that whoever collected the cards and changed them, should be publically shamed and never allowed to be involved in the sport again. We really do not need this ellement in our sport!!

I also think that it is not helping Azzawi as he must know that he is being 'helped'in these fights!!
It is so obvious that Azzawi has all the big interviews on TV, and all the hype that Jacko doesnt want his man to lose.....at any costs!!

Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 05:27:08
Blimey, so I was right when I joked that the judges had probably been asked to score their cards in pencil 'cos it's easier to rub out! That's really bad.
AndyC
Posted: 2003-06-24 06:29:11
"I was asked to Judge the first kickboxing bout Riad Azzawi V John Sheilds, and I gave it to Shields. Another judge gave it to Shields too and the third judge gave it a draw. I was therefore very surprised when they announced the winner as Azzawi!!!!! On the basis of my honest decision making absolutely no difference to the outcome of the fight, I refused to judge the other kickboxing fight, which I have to say was a joke anyway. I will leave it to other people to speculate as to what happened."

Exscuse my ignorance here, but how in gods name did Al Azazi (sp) get the decision if two judges went against him and one scored it a draw. Was Al Azazi's name read out in error???? Genuine question !

I too was at the show and would just like to echo everyones sentiments regarding the whole thing; good fights (especially Liams), great fighters (the Thai who Damien Trainer fought looked awesome, is he ranked at Lump/Raj ?) terrible organisation, two bad decisions and worst of all the Beer was as warm as donkleys piss !

StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-24 07:02:38
I think we all know what goes on at Jackos Show with his fighters. Apart from poor organisation there seems to be lots of dodgey stuff happening.

Discredits the fighters, and I dont like to see it, but glad to hear it coming out in the open. i did enjoy the fair fights such as Liams one.

Its a shame keddle and wakelings fights ended so fast as I probably would have had a better night if they had developed in to good matches.

The KB fights were just a waste of time. I knew sheilds would win and hoped he would get a KO as there was no other way he would get the decision otherwise.

if Riad had had no arms and sat down, sheilds would not have got the decision he deserved. I was not sure who was to blame for the decisions, e.g influence over judges, or whether it went higher up, but some where, something definately is going on and im glad that Mr Smith has told us a little more information so we understand what is happening at "some" peoples shows.
The Truth
Posted: 2003-06-24 07:12:27
Classic case of the promoters fighter getting the decision by the sounds of it. This sort of thing happens all the time and is one of the things that really stinks about the sport. Is not usually done quite so blatently as this though! Was this a title fight? was it sanctioned? Feel sorry for John Shields nothing worse. Would anyone fight on these shows if he didnt have the tv rights??
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-24 07:32:10
the beer was warm!! maybe there was a lot of northerners there and you know they like their warm beer LOL... Quick note to jacko to provide Mushy peas next time!
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-24 07:40:42
This place even took my bottle of water off of me at the door, i like to stay hydrated, and instead they try to force u to buy crappy little bottles in the cramped, hot arena.

Are they allowed to steal my water? Might have to find out about the human rights and all that stuff!! works for everyone else!

I feel not to support anything that has Jackos name anywhere near it. What goes around comes around.

I will try to make sure only people deserving of my money that care about their service they provide will get to touch it in future.

People who want to fight on jackos shows will start thinking twice, knowing there is more then a mountain to clim to get a result. You would have to do make sure u knocked out his guys to win. Even then the ref would probably disqualify you or something.

stevie
Posted: 2003-06-24 07:58:59
I think as said on a thread long time ago this man his there for himself not the sport.

I dont know him personally but ive yet to ear a good word about him.

But you know how many trainers and managers will always follow the shinny coin.
dirty dave
Posted: 2003-06-24 08:17:24
Taking your 3 litre botttle of cider at the door is OK, I can see the point in that, bar takings are part of the profit generation. But confiscating your bottle of water as you go in is f...king disgracefull, must've left a bad (and very dry) taste in the mouth, before you even get to your seat.

Glad I didn't go down all that way now, shame to miss some good fights but being too warm, uncomfortable, malnourished and sober is something I just can't tolerate.
AndyC
Posted: 2003-06-24 08:23:56
SteveR,

Them taking you're water has really pissed you off hasn't it:)

Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 08:55:45
Re - the water, they do the same thing at Equinox as well, it happened to me the second from last time a show was on there. I've cottoned on to it now so just roll my water up in my jacket and look really innocent as I get my bag searched.... It's bloody ridiculous that you're not allowed to bring in non-alcoholic drinks. The other way of getting round paying 1.50 for water from the bar is to ask for tap water, but that's usually rank and is warmer than the beer most of the time!
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:02:43
Taking my water did piss me off Andy!! After all the shouting for Sak I needed it! I also needed that bottle for my training session on monday! had to buy another :-)

Did we complain about the 2 programme which was not checked for spelling, grammar, or accuracy. (Simiilar to how i Type on AX) but only I dont get 2 for everyone of my posts

Not only was the show poor, but I had a couple of young ladies walking up and down to the bar making me have to stand each time all night. Wont mention who you are miniluv, whoops.
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:07:16
la la la laaaa!!! *whistle* hemhem...... ;-p
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:20:00
Im suprised that Cas saw any of the show, she was always at the bar!!!

LOL
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:40:42
Now that is just such a lie! My friend went up too!
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:41:41
Gah, I don't know... you go out to relax, have a few drinks and not worry about training for a few days, and what happens? You get called a lush! Pah, typical!!! lol
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-24 09:48:36
Whats a lush????

:)
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-24 10:15:05
I wouldn't know.....
;)
aileen
Posted: 2003-06-24 13:31:32
you are allowed to take any drinks off peole coming into licenced premises,

"it might not really be water" is a good arguement.


however, they do also HAVE to give you glasses of tap water (with ice and lemon if you like it that way) absolutely free.
it is illeagal not to let folk drink water, it is illgeal to
force folk to buy bottled water at 3x the usual price, even if drinking water is not available.
(and drinking water HAS to be available or the place wont get a licence!!)

Atleast, thats the pub laws in scotland.
maybe in london you cant drink the tap water so the law is different :-P
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-24 15:22:32
thanks aileen, i was sure they would have to allow a person to get a drink of plain water. Wouldnt the fact my water was in a sealed volvic bottle ensure they dont beleive its vodka?


if i DID ask for tap water there would be an arsy bouncer wanting to kick me out i bet.
noodles
Posted: 2003-06-24 16:22:16
I think most people have covered why this show stank. The name "Don king" springs to mind.

I think everyone has said it on this topic however i'd like to say ; Why didn't the ref stop the fight way sooner in the fight where the Thai was out for a long time.

Thai boxing is a sport not a spectacle lets not get into a situation where fights are only stopped when people are unconscious. It was clearly obvious that the young Thai guy was gonna get hurt. So why did the ref not suss this?

Spectacle over sport

no thanks
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-24 17:29:41
Does Don King Confiscate Water Too? maybe he hides it in his Hair.

Noodles, I am guessing that the ref sees far more brutality in the fights in thailand and does not feel that a fight should be stopped. In the west we are more safety concious which is good. But the thais are tough, they start young and know what they are in for.

I am not disagreeing with you but I dont think any of the thais would have expected to get looked after by the ref as it may not be what they are used to (possibly).

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-24 19:56:47
lol @ last 10 posts or so ! Quality !
Yug
Posted: 2003-06-25 02:34:10
Well as to this - "maybe in london you cant drink the tap water so the law is different :-P"

sperm counts have been dropping in the South due to the large amounts of pesticides in the water table from all the farming - pesticides have very similar chemical identity to that of female hormones.

Relating this fact gives us Northerners no pleasure at all.
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 03:20:58

'sperm counts have been dropping in the South due to the large amounts of pesticides in the water table from all the farming - pesticides have very similar chemical identity to that of female hormones'

If our sprem count continues to lower, Southerners will start to parade monkey's around our High Street believing their French spies, eat deep fried Mars bars, start eating gravy with everything, have chip butties for breakfast, IQ levels will lower, start to live in squalor-like red brick houses and in-breed with other family members.

In short, we will evolve into northerners.
FemmeFightal
Posted: 2003-06-25 03:36:45
I was told Manchester was Alans second home.
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-25 04:03:05
I can say that Shaun Keddle does not speak for ALL of us southerners......... Some of really cant stand the north!!

:)
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 04:13:14
SK
LOL.
Yug
Posted: 2003-06-25 04:31:47
eels?? in jelly???
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 04:43:42
Pie n Mash
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:12:13
Jellied eels? (mmm..yes!)

Jellied eels, deep fried with gravy? (Pass)
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:17:31
sk

Thats Scotland there weird up there lol

ask Shelley.
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:18:19
Its all north to me.
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:38:36
ooooooo, pie an ma mash! yum... might go have some this weekend up at Yates's in Chapel Street!
Yug
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:47:27
It won't taste right without gravy on it. And a pint of bitter with it of course.
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:51:44
(got so excited there I stuttered!)
Miniluv
Posted: 2003-06-25 05:53:19
Yeugh, gravy, nah mate! You need liqour on it, that lovely green stuff, with chilli vinegar and salt and pepper and a nice cup of cha to wash it down!.... bugger, I'm hungry now!
raks
Posted: 2003-06-25 06:19:55
wow over 100 posts in a few days im glad i didnt go sounds like the poor organisation has overshadowed the poformance of the fighters. im not sure why everyones comparing this show with b.judds, T&L8 was a great show, this just sounds like a disgrace in genarel, no point comparing it to the best.

well done to all the fighters, jkos done a lot for the sport tv wise but it sounds like hes doing himself or us no favours by promoting his own shows

also i think from now on his boy should only fight at shows where jko donsent promote or dosnt have his cameras cos hes losing his credibility. at kos, keddles, skens or any other show iv been to iv never seen the promoters fighters get a unfair desicion in there favour.i remember seeing a sken show where all but one of his fighters lost, but when ryiad is jko one fighter and is hyped up so much can u blame people for shouting FIX
132797 : 22nd June

alankeddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 07:31:51
This is only the second time I have ever posted anything on AX but this time I feel compelled to do so. I have heard so many comments about the show so I thought i would tell you mine! but Just before that yes Manchester is my second home as I lived their a few years.

On to the show. On paper the matches were very good.The show had good and bad aspects to it.

The good stuff

1)It is rare to see so many top british fighters on one show.
2)Another televised event is good for thai boxing
3)I sold lots of tickets!
4)As most of you know I was involved in a big incident with Jacko years back but we have got it all solved now and I am glad to say that we are working together again. Many of the things that went wrong on the show werent all his fault. However as the promoter (like me) he has to take responsibilty for it.

The bad Stuff

1) The opening time said 4pm. I had family, freinds, children and pregnant women chequing up for over an hour for no good reason. This really pissed people off!
2) The show started nearly two hours late.
3) The drinks were ridicously overpriced which you wouldnt mind if they werent warmer than cups of tea and to add to that there was no ice!!!! I cant stand that! ( this is a problem the venue is responsible for not Jacko)
4) The view from the top balcony (back) was shite and all the people that I sold tickets too went early due to lack of decent view.
5) The Riyhad fight turned the show on its head. People didnt like what happened and to hear that two accomplished judges scored it the other way to shields is crazy. I never saw the fight so I can't comment. On my shows only the senior judge can decide and nobody else.
6) The interviews after the fights should have been ringside whilst the next fight enters as was the format for previous shows. It adds to much delay to the process of the show otherwise.Often fighters and trainers say things they dont mean after fights this looks bad televised!
7)The VIP tables were awful and my sponsers sat on that table. They were really pissed off with warm drinks and insufficient food supply. For 1200 quid it could have bben much better.You must look after people that pay 120 quid each!

The fights

The Thais I thought were well matched as follows
1) Liam Harrison a perfect match for his first big fight against a Thai. He found the Thais weakness quickly and gained the experience of having to get up from a knockdown to achieve a stunning victory. Superb for a seventeen year old.
2)Sak's Thai I thought very average. Cant comment on the result as I only saw elements of the fight. Remember Sak has only had 7 or 8 fights so this was a good match.
3) Darren Balshaw another good match although the Thai looked a bit small but they weighed the same! He fought better in round three and found the Thai weakness to put a good end to the fight. another excellent fight for Darren who has only had 14 fights! a good future ahead.
4) Kieran Keddles Thai good strong kicker excellent match finding a hip kick in the first thirty seconds forcing retirement. No complaints thats the way it goes.
5)Frankies thai was far too small but the vast experience made up for it this was however a simple weight mistake and you should not blame Frankie for this or the result because he was one clever little sod.
6)Damiens Thai was awesome as was Damien a good match but unlucky end with the cuts. Ive seen Damien fight better but it was hard cos the Thai was so fast with his hands.

Many of the problems evolved round the venue being unbefiting such a show. I suggest a better venue for the shows next time Jacko. The shows are better than that place. Also remember that promoting isnt just about good fights but an overall pachage of fair descisions, good matching, starting on time, organisation the lot. This is what the public want. Look at the WWF they dont even fight but look at the audience. They are there to be entertained! Some of my supporters will never return as they were too hot, couldn't get cold drinks and some couldnt see! You could have had the all time greats fighting but everyhting has to go with it not just the fights.You have my sympathy in many ways as many of the issues were clearly not your fault but that is what happens when you promote. I have promoted 15 shows alone or with Sean and Dan and all have started on time. Remember spectators have homes to go to and some have babysitters at home so you must start on time and cut out all the unecessary delays. Good luck in the future.



Alan
Mr Smith
Posted: 2003-06-25 07:40:01
"sounds like the poor organisation has overshadowed the poformance of the fighters"

I think this is a good point. Everyone is concentrating on the negative. There were some excellent fights and some great performances and the fighters should be congratulated.

OK - there were one or two disappointing fights and it was a shame how a couple of fights ended, but hey - thats Muay Thai. Fights do end on cuts, on broken bones and people do put in bad performances. You arent going to get a show where every fight is amazing, but there were at least 4 absolutely cracking fights.

I dont think there was any problem with the standard of Thais brought over. Stephan Fox looked at the records of the fighters he was given and brought fighters of an appropriate level for fair matches. Liams opponent was really good (I wouldnt have liked to be kicked like that!) but I wouldnt have thanked anyone for bringing sopmeone who was going to give him a beating. His fight was excellent and the opponent was a good test for him. The guy has fought in Australia 4 times (2 win 2 loss) and had over 70 fights.

Sak and Darren Balshaw have both had less than 20 fights and their opponents were suitable for their level of experience. The Thais that Frankie, Kieren and Damian fought were stronger but they are more experienced "A" Class fighters. Damian has fought Wan Chan Noi and holds European Titles, and Kieren and Frankie both KO'd Thais before (Kieren in Lumpini) and both hold World Titles. The Thais that came over were strong - of course we all know there are better out there, but the sort of money we can afford in this country isnt going to pay for the best Thais to come over, and how can you sell the sport to the public in this country if our "stars" are seen to be getting beaten up on TV?

Some of the organisation problems and the fact that it was hot were not Jackos fault, and lets not forget that Jacko is working hard to help our sport grow, putting it on TV and trying to bring everyone together. He is working with everyone and things are generally moving in the right direction. Hopefully Jacko will learn from some of the mistakes and make sure they dont happen again, but at the end of the day you have to take your hat off to him for making a show like this happen and pushing the sport forward.

OK - there were some problems but why does everyone in this country have to well on these and not on the positives?


Mr Smith
Posted: 2003-06-25 07:45:43
Well said Alan - I must have been typing mine while you were posting.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 07:54:17
I see know all the Thais who fought there fights have doubled or trebled.

But even so its not how many you have fought its who you have fought and how many wins.

There was a fighter from the N.E.of England cant remember his name i think Glen Rutter he had over 100 but only won 3 !!!!!

Everybody only seems to praise there own fighter lets be real about it who got beat got beat and who won , won , kieron will come back stronger for Damain & frankie i dont know ?????
Jonathan Lawson
Posted: 2003-06-25 08:00:00
Ali Jacko show.. A clash of Cultures...

What has happened to the brotherhood of warriors? I was deeply disappointed last Sunday night at the Stratford Rex to experience for the 1st time, the bitter rivalry that seems to exist between Thai boxing and Kickboxing camps. I thought being a fighter regardless of the rules you fight under was something to be proud of.

I have always taught my students to respect all the fighting disciplines and appreciate to work and commitment that goes into preparation. Yet some people seem to be more interested in making reference to the rules i.e “my sport is harder than yours because…”, than appreciating the quality of the actual fighter. Is Roy Jones Junior and bad fighter because he does not kick, sweep, knee or elbow?

I was particularly disturbed when I heard the booing of a full-contact fighter (Stuart Lawson) after an extremely tough fight with an up and coming Thai Boxer (Michael Dicks) who gallantly took the fight at 1 hours notice but had a considerable weight advantage (10kg?). I don’t think there are many fighters in the World who could have given so much weight to such a strong and talented fighter and still found a way to land more blows and outscore their opponent. Yet some of the crowd after the fight including the matchmaker (Ralph ….) kept making remarks,“If you limit a Thai boxer to Four Weapons…” That’s like Royce Gracie agreeing to fight Ernesto Hoost in Thai Boxing and afterward complaining that he was not allowed to grapple.

The fact that Stuart had five different opponents pull out in the space of 48 hours should also be recognised. In fact Ralph actually offered Stuart a lad from the Thai camp who was willing to give away 6+ kilos, have another fight first (he got KO’d in the 4 th by the way) and then step in with Stuart with the promise of not causing him any problems! Does this sound familiar to anybody out there? As Stuart’s trainer I would never allow our integrity and honour be devalued in this way ,“We’re here to fight not join a circus” and with only one other option had to take the fight with Michael who I was assured by both Ralph and Michaels trainer was weighing 65kg. Michaels actual weight was much closer to 75kg and for any of you who have not seen him fight before, check out his fight with Rob Storey on Bill Judd’s last show.

Don’t get me wrong, we trained hard and were ready to fight hard with anybody whiling. When I saw Michael for the 1st time step into the ring carrying so much extra weight I knew exactly what we were up against. If you put Ricky Hatton in with a classy middle weight boxer he’s gonna run into problems. Over all Stuart handled all the problems Michael had to offer including the power difference that comes with the extra weight. All I expect after a hard fight is a little recognition…

I just hope that the shameful decision after the Riyadh Azzawi v John Shields fight which I was unfortunately involved with as a trainer did not make people bias in the other kickboxing fight and try to discredit Stuart Lawson

I know there are a lot of genuine people out there in the fight game, all fighting under different rules and some in various disciplines who all respect each other. Lets just hope our students are all taught to share the same values.

Please don’t think I am putting mt down because I am a great fan and I know there are people in kickboxing that try to devalue mt. I am not one of those and whether you are a great fighter or just an average one I will always respect you for what you do co’s I’ve been there myself.

Respect and love

Jonathan Lawson
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 08:18:15
Alan writes:

'yes Manchester is my second home as I lived their a few years.'

Well, theres always one runt in every pack.......!!!!!

(I hope you all think that this is funny, 'cos, I am going to die for this in training tonight!)
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 08:21:13
Apologies to 'you know who you are', I contacted the AX team and had the message removed.

Feel free to contact me to clear the air.
Dan G
Posted: 2003-06-25 08:40:28
Shaun - I thought you were the runt in the Keddle pack though - by your own admission :P
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-25 09:03:02
Dan, I would describe you as a 'runt', but then to begin the word, I would be using the wrong consonant!

Kieran The Boy
Posted: 2003-06-25 09:05:12
Its a Keddle tradition - you CAN ALWAYS take a joke to far!
Jonathan Lawson
Posted: 2003-06-25 10:48:21
Ali Jacko Show... A clash of cultures

What has happened to the brotherhood of warriors? I was deeply disappointed last Sunday night at the Stratford Rex to experience for the 1st time, the bitter rivalry that seems to exist between Thai boxing and Kickboxing camps. I thought being a fighter regardless of the rules you fight under was something to be proud of.

I have always taught my students to respect all the fighting disciplines and appreciate the work and commitment that goes into preparation. Yet some people seem to be more interested in making reference to the rules i.e “my sport is harder than yours because…”, than appreciating the quality of the actual fighter. Is Roy Jones Junior and bad fighter because he does not kick, sweep, knee or elbow?

I was particularly disturbed when I heard the booing of a full-contact fighter (Stuart Lawson) after an extremely tough fight with an up and coming Thai Boxer (Michael Dicks) who gallantly took the fight at 1 hours notice but had a considerable weight advantage (10kg?). I don’t think there are many fighters in the World who could have given so much weight to such a strong and talented fighter and still found a way to land more blows and outscore their opponent. Yet some of the crowd after the fight including the matchmaker (Ralph ….) kept making remarks,“If you limit a Thai boxer to Four Weapons…” That’s like Royce Gracie agreeing to fight Ernesto Hoost in Thai Boxing and afterward complaining that he was not allowed to grapple.

The fact that Stuart had five different opponents pull out in the space of 48 hours should also be recognised. In fact Ralph actually offered Stuart a lad from the Thai camp who was willing to give away 6+ kilos, have another fight first (he got KO’d in the 4 th by the way) and then step in with Stuart with the promise of not causing him any problems! Does this sound familiar to anybody out there? As Stuart’s trainer I would never allow our integrity and honour be devalued in this way ,“We’re here to fight not join a circus” and with only one other option had to take the fight with Michael who I was assured by both Ralph and Michaels trainer was weighing 65kg. Michaels actual weight was much closer to 75kg and for any of you who have not seen him fight before, check out his fight with Rob Storey on Bill Judd’s last show.

Don’t get me wrong, we trained hard and were ready to fight hard with anybody whiling. When I saw Michael for the 1st time step into the ring carrying so much extra weight I knew exactly what we were up against. If you put Ricky Hatton in with a classy middle weight boxer he’s gonna run into problems. Over all Stuart handled all the problems Michael had to offer including the power difference that comes with the extra weight. All I expect after a hard fight is a little recognition…

I just hope that the shameful decision after the Riyadh Azzawi v John Shields fight which I was unfortunately involved with as a trainer did not make people bias in the other kickboxing fight and try to discredit Stuart Lawson

I know there are a lot of genuine people out there in the fight game, all fighting under different rules and some in various disciplines who all respect each other. Lets just hope our students are all taught to share the same values.

Please don’t think I am putting mt down because I am a great fan and I know there are people in kickboxing that try to devalue mt. I am not one of those and whether you are a great fighter or just an average one I will always respect you for what you do co’s I’ve been there myself.

Respect and love

Jonathan Lawson
Paul Daniels
Posted: 2003-06-25 11:11:57
?
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 11:18:07
Welcome back Paul weve missed ya.

Hows the wife keeping.
Rob
Posted: 2003-06-25 11:25:14
The loverly Debbie Mcgee
JD
Posted: 2003-06-25 12:41:57
Muay Thai Fly next?
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-25 15:40:09
JD

What was wrong with MTF what a bloke.
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-25 16:30:33
Just saw this on another thread regarding the Wanlop v Yingyai fight. Frank is Wanlops manager and this may explain the descision a little better.(this is not my view as I didnt see the fight)


Frank Sitpholek writes:

1 st round; Wanlop slowly attacks Yingyai with hard kicks and punches
Wanlop winner
2 nd round: Wanlop goes after a KO. Attacking Yingyai with hard punches and kicks everybody was waiting for a KO. End of the ring Wanlop make very hard low kicks and Yingyai could no more block the kicks. saved by the bell.
big winner Wanlop
3 rd round: Wanlop get crazy and want the KO. combinations after combinations.
In 1 combination 1 punch mouthguard out second punch 2 tooth's out. Unbelievable Yingyai didn't went down. Referee should give him at least 2 times 8 count. Yingyai could do nothing back no kick, no punch, no clinching. big winner Wanlop betting odds 12-1
4 rd round: Wanlop attacked slowly he was getting out of steam and Yingyai start to clinch to stop wanlop his attacks. Yingyai could not make proper knees but Wanlop could not stop the clinching. End of the round Yingyai throw Wanlop 3 times on the floor (this are very big points in the 4th and 5th round). winner Yingyai
5th round: Wanlop start to attack again but he could only do that for a minute, And Yingyai only come to clinch, Wanlop could not stop it. Yingyai didn't make many points but he cloud make the clinch happen. Yingyai winner

In Thailand is the winner who controls the last 2 rounds and who has the most energy left. When the last 2 rounds are same they look at the other rounds.
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-25 16:54:23
Has ying yai EVER been knocked out. I saw him take heavy damage and not even look shaken. He must have the hardest head!!

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:11:08
? sorry whats that gotta doo with this ? me Kung-fused / and what thread removal ?
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:12:09

Back with the pics; Kev Harper
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:12:58

v Stephen Wakeling
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:13:58
A Quick Apology ! I didt take any action shots as i was Commentating throughout ! So i took these Quickly b4 and after some of the Bouts etc:
cheers
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:15:50

Steve when he won the Title @Bill Judds KO show
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:17:24
BTW this was a photo of the Moniter in front of me / us on the Commentators Table ! ! it was also being shown on the Big Screen above the ring ! For the fight fans ! They did this with a couple of fighters who had been screened on Ali's recent shows as a Playback and pre-fight taster !
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:17:55

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:18:37

Shin Break / injury
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:19:32

Champion
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:20:49

same Kev
133069 : same Kev

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:22:08
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:22:45

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:23:17

more
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:24:40

Darren Balshaw
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:25:39

his Thai Opponent
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:26:16

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:27:25

ram muay
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:29:08

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:30:21

more
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 17:31:37

Interview after fight for t.v. With malcolm
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-26 19:39:23
Sandy, I saw you from my seat using that hi technology gadget camera thing!

Looked like a nice peice of kit!

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 19:42:25
Hi Stevie It is matey !
i bought it in Thailand when i was out there last year working ! it cost 1,400 all in ! Ouch ! But well worth it !
Its a Sony Digicam ! and takes good pics too !
Why didt ya say hello?
hey i met JD coming in to the fights
he didnt really want a pic: but i made him !
Nice guy ! here we go !
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 19:50:58

A/X's JD Tall guy errrrr im Shortass ! :p
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 19:54:35

Argh thats NOT JD sorry try again
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-26 20:05:36
So is it a video and digital camera all in one?

The only time I was near you was when I was in the queue outside, I saw u walk past in a sleeveless!

I would have made it known to you who i was but didnt want to draw any attention as I was not in an Autograph signing mood and would have been to thirsty to fight off all the ladies. (you were also walking to fast)


Then I was in the seats way above and couldnt really say hello where you were commentating from!

So its a video camera and digital camera all in one?



Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 20:22:14

haha LOL niceone ! and YEP
and is this you ?
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 20:23:07
Yes btw the Camera is Both !
Wicked ! and Really small and compact !
cheers
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:28:29

Kieran Kiddle
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:29:29

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:30:08

same
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:30:39

more
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:31:22

more
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:32:28

Kierans Thai opponent
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:33:09

Frankie and Pele
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:33:50

Ashley and frankie
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:34:44

more
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:35:46

Frankie bow wai
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 21:36:26

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:15:54

woops How did this get in here?
Phoar ! `2` Georgeous ! Gals ! Kara and Femme !
"Quality" Ladeeeeeeeeeeeez ! Beautiful as always ! x
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:35:03

Richard cadden and Liam bad co: gym
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:38:40

Mr"c" with Femme and rich cad:
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:39:07
MrC is meant to be MR Richard "S"
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:41:27

our A/Xer Cas MINILUV and Leon Chevalier
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:54:23

Spot the names ! ? / people ?
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-26 23:55:12
`5` names please ! I know em ! do you ?
come A/X
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2003-06-27 01:27:27
Peter Crooke, Paul Hennessey, Lisa Houghton, Nicola Fearnley and ??? another Crooke (I think?) Mark Crooke??
StevenR
Posted: 2003-06-27 06:45:01
Sandy man, I probably could have said hello at the end but I had to sprint in the rain to make it to the tube station before they shut off!

I made it, but had I have been stranded, It would have been a long walk home in an area I didnt know.

From where you were sitting at commentary. If you had turned to your left at looked at the crowd, I would have been a few rows back on the far left side I think! So if u have any photos of that side Im sure Ill easily be spotted as I had to keep standing for Miniluv to pass due to her addiction to the bar.
aileen
Posted: 2003-06-27 11:45:25
good pictures sandy, thanks for posting em.

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-27 13:58:10
StevenR haha LOL re: Mini-Bar-errrLuv !

Aileen ! Cheers gal ! :))))))))))
Pixie
Posted: 2003-06-27 16:06:17
Harper Cheat or champ?

Borrowed a pals computer to ask a couple of questions from you experts.
Can anyone explain the rules re-ankle supports?
On Sunday the 22nd I attended the show, and watched with interest. After the Harper Wakeling fight they were interviewed. Sadly Harper had a rant about how good he is and everyone picking on him on the Net. I believe he was the only fighter to start swearing on camera, most fighters thanked the opponent, the crowd and were respectful, polite modest ambassadors of the sport. Not Harper.
I think it was Wakelings coach/father who made a comment about the tape on Harpers shins.
Harper had tape running half way up the front of his shin and around the lower half of his calf. It was clearly visible above the elastic ankle supports he also wore.
Clearly it had no effect on the out come of this much anticipated and sadly short rematch. But had the fight gone the five rounds how much protection would it of given Harper and would it not be an advantage. The tape is clearly there as protection for the striking area of his shin thus providing I would suggest valuable advantage should the fight go the distance.
When challenged by Wakeling coach/dad, Harper looked aggrieved that anyone should question him about it. He aggressively snapped back the reply 'well everyone wears it'. This is surely not the case. None of the Thai fighters or any of the other fighters on the bill had tape half way up and around their shins.
So is it legal?
At best Harper appears to be stretching the meaning of 'ankle support'.
At worst he is cheating.
Which is it?
Again I state the tape had no bearing on the result of this fight, but if Wakeling had the same may be his leg would of been ok. What next, maybe a strip of metal up the front of the shin. Only as ankle support of course.
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-27 16:22:23
As far as I am aware Kevin has had an injury to his shin and probably wore the extra support to enable him to fight. This means that he was giving support to an injured shin rather than "cheating". I am sure that the disadvantage of a damaged shin far outweighed the advantage the extra bit of tape he used might have given him.
Just my opinion!
Pixie
Posted: 2003-06-27 16:34:55
So both his shins were injured? It was on both shins. In the past at previous shows I have noticed Harpers extensive taping of his shins. On one fight he wore three elastic ankle supports almost up to his knee and after a couple of rounds they had slipped and you could clearly see more tape.
Is it legal?
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-27 16:39:14
One shin was injured in a car crash a few years ago, the other was a more recent injury. I am not making excuses but it is a common practice.
Mark L.
Posted: 2003-06-27 18:42:32
In MuayThai its ilegal to tape the foot etc
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 03:07:10
Pixie

Its the first time i have ever heard Mark Wakeling complaining about his son loosing lol.

Its o.k. to put strips on the leg if the shin as been split b4 seen it many times in Holland & France.

I thought as said on here Wakeling kicked & Harper blocked his shin hit just below his knee !!!!! was that taped.

I have spoke to a number of people who were there and they said from the bell Harper was going to win.

All i can say is it will all come out when its on tv we will see all then but as for the Wakelings moaning again hey does a beer s**t in a wood lol.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 03:11:45
Pixie

up to his knees his anklets narrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Kevs a trend setter leg warmers are coming back in lol.

Watch Pixie everybody will be wearing them soon lol

What gym you from Pixie please let us know lol
Mark L.
Posted: 2003-06-28 04:20:47
stevie-many countries do many things as do many sanctions and promoters and most people just simply don't know.

MuayThai is Thai style of doing it and in MuayThai I would bet a strip on the shin is not aloud also. I can't say this for sure but as I have never seen tape used anywhere but the foot or hand. But I do know the foot is ilegal and do do know many people do it and many places alow it.

Funny things always come up. i really have never heard of tape on the shin...
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 04:32:22
Mark L

Ive seen it many times ive just seen a tape off the Simon Rutz show and Ubeda had his right leg i think totally taped up around the shin.


Pixie as for metal strips have a rest looser go watch tennis.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 04:36:19
Pixie

look at the photos and the back to the pics Kev Harper.

I think you need glasses lol its plain for everybody to see up to his knees lol
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-28 06:03:26
I really cant see how anyone can complain about a fighter having their shin taped up!
In my mind, this would indicate to me that the fighter in question has some sort of injury, and so is at a disadvantage.

As for the Harper/Wakeling fight. as we all saw on the big screen, the kick was blocked right at the top on the shin, where there was no strapping.

I really like and respect Mark, but I feel that he would have been better of biting his lip and taken the loss with some dignity, as unfortunatley, he came across as a bad loser to everyone who was there, which Im sure he's not.
We all know that Steven is a fantastic fighter who will, I feel, go to great things and will hopefully learn from this.

As for Harper, I mentioned earlier in this thread about him saying that he was slagged off on the internet. well, I found out that it wasnt on the ax (phew!!) but on another site.

I think that it was a shame that we didnt see more of the new and improved Harper, but I cant wait for his next fight, as he looks like he can take on the world at the moment!!

stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 06:25:51
Pixie

Did you read Zebs review LOL. Also whats the difference between Harpers anklets & liam Harrisons ?????

Modern day witch hunt.
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:14:20
Finally got my pictures developed, so here are a few more. I don't have many fight pictures as I tend to get involved in the fights and forget I have a camera with me at all.
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:15:18

Damien walking to the ring
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:16:20

Flying the Flag
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:17:09

Frankie Hudders
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:18:17

with Femme and Richard
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:19:31

Kieran
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:20:28

Liam
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:21:08
He's so fast you can't even see him throw those punches :o)
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:21:56

Liam
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:23:21
Liam Harrisaaaaaaaaaaaaan
:o)
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:24:41

Sak
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-28 08:26:18

The thai team with Leon and Cas (aka miniluv)
Pixie
Posted: 2003-06-28 09:28:23
Calm down.
I agree Harper is a very good fighter, I also said twice that the tape up his shins had NO, ZERO, NOTHING to do with the out come of this fight.
The fight had hardly started with only a couple of techniques from either fighter. What i was asking was 'IS IT LEGAL'???
Wakeling snaped his shin after about 30 seconds, yes on Harpers knee.
It appears there are two views:
1. Lots of people do it so it must be legal.
2. No its not legal.
At least everyone agrees it was there to protect his shins and not an ankle support.
Only tossed the topic in as I found the pumped up aggressive response Harper gave to Wakelings old man abit over defensive.
Lastly Mr Harper if you read this its not a personal attack just a question in relation to rules.
To those that still think Im moaning because Wakeling lost, its not the case. Please read the following line before rushing to reply.
Again I type the TAPE DID NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THIS BOUT.
zebedee
Posted: 2003-06-28 12:38:02
Pixie,

For what it's worth, I dont think it matters if a fighter has their shin taped, as I really dont believe it will make much difference to any injury sustained, or the strength of the leg.

Dont know if it's legal or not though!!!

liam badco
Posted: 2003-06-28 14:42:48
i have taped my shin in many of my fights and simply all it does is stop swelling of your shins.

It is NOT ILLEGAL.

The tape merely stops swelling and haematoma's (similar to Mark Lee's at the last Leeds Town Hall show).
This practice is actually recommended by GP's on persistant injuries, such as that of Kev Harper's.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 14:44:12
Kara


Why no Kenin Harper Hey K.O. Kickboxing Harper v Saks lol.
stevie
Posted: 2003-06-28 14:46:22
Pixie

Go abck to your Grouto your a joke lol
Mark L.
Posted: 2003-06-28 16:20:12
liam-not ilegal according to who?

I know in MuayThai, be it Thai gouvernemnt, Lumpinee, TV 7, Ratch, WMC etc tape is not allowed on the feet/ancle, I strongly doupt it would be allowed on the shin.

Maybe a local sanction has decided its ok. Maybe they don't know its not allowed. Maybe the ref doesn't know.

What I'm asking is who told you this or have you simply done it?

Many things are done that aren't allowed. that doesn't make them legal.
liam badco
Posted: 2003-06-29 12:09:37
before 1 of my fights i asked the well respected referee john blackledge if it would be ok if i did it he told me YES, so mark thats who told me.
Mark L.
Posted: 2003-06-29 12:35:20
If it would be ok and legal are not the same thing I think.

Can I ask what sanctioning body?

The ref, for what ever reason, may not have minded and thought it ok to let slide. Or it may have been a grey area he wasn't sure about. Or that sanction may have sat down and decided that this was something they were going to allow.

I'm not knocking the ref in anyway. I just don't think its legal and I am curious if the sanction turns a blind eye, doesn't know, or has changed it.

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 13:33:10
IMO Taping will Cushion the Blows too ! yep !
And Obviously Protect as a hand wrap / bandage would !"
Remember my recent post ref: anklets ? can anyone do the Link on here to it ?
Cheers
Sandy McPrefers Anlets man holt ! :))))))
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 14:22:59
ANKLETS / ankle-supports ! the benifits? !
Kara
Posted: 2003-06-29 14:59:53
Stevie, I have a pic of Kevin but my camera skills are pretty bad. It didn't turn out so well :)
Dave Jackson
Posted: 2003-06-29 15:07:47
It is a very grey area, along with handwrapping. I would bet that the way in which most of the fighters on the show had their hands wrapped did not meet with the rules either. Just looking at the above pictures I can see at least one of the Thais with illegal wraps.
Mark L.
Posted: 2003-06-29 16:17:39
Dave-handwrapping is often overlooked. I think its a grey area for sure.

The feet isn't to me but I can see how it could be to some.
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-06-29 18:50:14
Handwraps should be checked by a supervisor before the gloves are put on but I wonder if there is any organisation actually doing this in the UK??. It's something they're really strict on in pro boxing and maybe something for us (thai & Kickboxing) to think about.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 22:34:37
we do it @ ALL my u.k.m.t.a. Shows ! and have a Glove / Handwrap Inspector that i pay reasonable money for too !
In Fact ive had `2` on my last `2` Shows ! And it does work ! and they also get people out ON time !
this is a Must ! on All shows !
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 22:34:49
we do it @ ALL my u.k.m.t.a. Shows ! and have a Glove / Handwrap Inspector that i pay reasonable money for too !
In Fact ive had `2` on my last `2` Shows ! And it does work ! and they also get people out ON time !
this is a Must ! on All shows !
133595 : the M.C. and Stehan Fox

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:14:54

133596 : Dan and Mr "S"

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:15:27

133597 : Richard Femme and Rich-c

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:16:32

133598 : Stephan and moi

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:17:29

133599 : 2 ring gals !

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:18:05

133600 : Ali Jacko and the ring gal

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-29 23:19:02

D
Posted: 2003-06-30 07:14:35
Well I for one, was like so many others not entirely impressed with the venue and its facilities, but could not wait to see the show.
It had so many talented fighters on the bill that the 25 seemed like a snap, and was.

I was disappointed with the decision against Shields as it wasnt like he was unlucky he was blatantly robbed, and the crowd reaction mirrored what everyone was thinking.

Liam done himself and his camp proud, second time i have seen him and he continues to impress with each fight. Really enjoyed his last fight against Yogendra Parekh but this was something else. True northern grit to take that knock down and come back the way he did.

Wakeling was unfortunate, but wasn't entirely sure what the rant from Harper was about, as I couldnt hear it in the rafters. Would have been a good fight if Wakeling hadnt gotten injured.

Keddle was doing ok but the thais low kicks were vicious and full of venom, again disappointed it did not go on longer but no point carrying on and causing more damage.

Hudders' fight was interesting on the outside the thai had no answers and was picked off at will, but then it all got quite interesting when they went into the clinch, I could not believe how the visible weight advantage made no difference to the outcome of the clinches. Overall very enoyable would love to see a video to check out the thais technique.

Trainor no one has really said much about this fight, I found this one as enjoyable as the first bout with Liam. Good to see a thai that could truly box.
It started off a lot quicker than i had anticipated the other thais started slowly but this guy flew out the blocks. Didnt even touch gloves at the opening bell but started with a left hook!!
Trainor showed like Liam that he to can dig deep and showed it after he was cut, unfortunate that he didnt come out for the third but a thrillng fight with exceptional elbow techniques and punch kick elbow combos thrown by both.

Overall no one on the card can be embarrassed with their individual performance every fighter did well.



Pixie
Posted: 2003-06-30 12:26:13
Stevie,
Sorry you think I am a joke. Other people seem to think its a topic worth talking over. In future it may lead to taping of ankles and the hands being more closly monitored. I obviously upset you, using Harper as the example.
I asked the question so I could find out and understand what the rules are.
Its called learning, asking experienced fighters and instructors for their view seemed a good idea.
If Wakelings camp had said 'we won't fight unless he removes the protection to his shins' who is in the right.
If Harper refused and the fight did not take place, clearly the crowd would of lost. But who could of claimed the title?
Would it of been handed to the fighter deemed to be in the right and what rule book would of been consulted to establish the decision?


133791 : Damien Trainor

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-30 17:36:04

133792 : one of his prev: bouts on the Big screen

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-30 17:36:45

133793 : as above

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-30 17:37:19

133794 : Damien Trainor in action

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-06-30 17:38:40
last `2` pics: Btw ! these are me taking pics; off the moniter for the commentating etc: hence look a bit diff / weird ! cheers
D
Posted: 2003-07-01 05:48:54
D
Posted: 2003-07-01 05:50:43
Sandy where are those pics from?

They look like the Nicolas Cartenum fight last September
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-07-02 20:51:00
"D" Damien
Firsty i missed your post above / earlier ! Great overview ! !!!!! Thanks
and as above this !
Not sure im guessing from a K-* show sometime recent past ! sorry !
Anyone else got any ideas?
Cheers
sandyman
134396 : Channel `5` Camera man Being Filmed ! :-p

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-07-03 00:04:56

D
Posted: 2003-07-03 05:55:59
Sandy I am almsot certain they are from the show last September, but only because i was there and could be wrong.

I didnt actually see you there though.
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-07-03 20:01:53
cheers
I missed that show ! But went to last one With Damien and Reece Crooke ! You there then ?
Cheers
sandy man
D
Posted: 2003-07-04 06:59:57
Yep I was at that one too.

Good fight, no disresepct to Reece but Damien looked like he was taking it easy.

Nothing much was said about that fight, I think now people just expect good performances from him.

What did you think Sandy?
Silverwolf
Posted: 2003-07-04 11:03:54
Damien was unlucky with the thai they got for him but was still good fight to watch, im sure he'll come back strong. He needs more fights without a long gap between as he has hardly fought in the last 2 years

I dont agree that he was taking it easy at all,the first 2 rounds were very close and it seemed that Reece just tired after that... also i dont remember him landing anything serious on Reece, he was just busy in and out. he used his experiance very well! A rematch would be good after Reece gets a bit more experiance he's only had about 12 fights compared to damiens 40 something. these are the 2 top lads at that weight i think!
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-07-04 14:40:27
Good sentiments / words Silverwolf !
:)
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134772 : Damien and Thai Ram-Muay

Sandy Holt
Posted: 2003-07-05 13:53:03

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