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Alright Rudy...
It's on.
I hope you are ready for your rightful ownership of this war of words.
I appreciate your participation in this thread.
The other men who are against females fighing are too chickenshit to attempt to articulate their points, so I applaud you, for a moment.
Rudy wrote:
"Reason #1 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
The Boyz do it better! thats why all the prestiege and money is focused on the chaps. As a spectator you'll get more bang for your buck from watching the fellas go round."
First of all, your use of the word "Chicks" says everything. Your lack of respect for female fighters is not rooted in the points that you have listed here. There is more going on here.
Secondly, if you really followed that logic, you would only watch heavyweight fighters and nobody else. Obviously HUGE STRONG TALL fighters are genetically gifted for fighting. Right? They fight better than the lightweights as they would kick the shit out of ANY lightweight fighter. Right? So lightweight fighters should not fight. Right? It seems as if you are only applying this logic in the case of women.
Rudy wrote :
"Reason #2 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
Males were designed by nature for combat roles. Thats why we are bigger faster and stronger, mentally more agressive it's called TESTOSTERONE, and in times long ago we needed these attributes to hunt for and defend our familys and homes, females just didnt get cut out for that. Natures design."
Men were DESIGNED for combat roles?
This implies that all men carry this trait of "combat readiness" by design. From birth.
What a bunch of horseshit!
Everyone stand clear of these WARRIORS!!! Watch out! They are men!!! Designed from birth to fight!
They have NOTHING on these women...
Who obviously were NOT designed for fighting so they have no business doing it! (right?)
Rudy, I'm sure I could find women who are bigger, stronger and faster than you. That wouldn't change the fact that women compete against other women. The comparisons between men and women's physical capabilities is a baseless argument because of that reason alone. Women aren't fighting men.
"Reason #3 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
It just aint chilvarous to stand around and watch our fairer sex smash each other. They are our girlfriends, wives, daughters, they are mothers. It's not manly to applaud their suffering and I wince when I see a stunned girl turn involntarily away from a volley of head shots."
Chivalry? Chivalry is quickly defined as "courtesy toward women". What is so chivalrous about keeping women locked into a role that you see fit for them? Insisting that they live in a way that makes you comfortable?
I was right when I said that you probably imagine your mother or sister fighting when you assess these matches. These women are not simply our "Girlfriends, wives, mothers and daughters". They are individuals first and foremost. EACH WOMAN IS DIFFERENT, just like every person is different. If your mother entered the ring, she would probably suffer. She would probably get KO'd within 10 seconds. Perhaps she shouldn't be a fighter. The shortcomings of your own mother or girlfriend, sister, or daughter shouldn't apply to all women.
Your delusions about being "manly" aside...
You speak of these women as though they are weak victims who do nothing but suffer in the ring. Where does that come from?
If fighting was nothing but suffering then why would anybody do it?
Obviously, fighting involves more than just taking volleys of shots to the head.
These women gain as much from fighting as men do.
They don't only take punishment in the ring.
When I watch women compete against each other, I applaud. However, I am not applauding their suffering. I am applauding their courage. Their will. Their training. For you to sum up their competition as merely "Suffering" shows a lack of respect for what they are doing.
Your comments also imply that women typically respond to punches by being stunned and involuntarily turning away.
That makes me question how many female fights you have seen.
Make no mistake. There is nothing chivalrous about your attitude toward women.
Rudy wrote "I never saw the attraction in female fights, perhaps its value is one of morbid facination."
Rudy...is this why you like watching men fight each other? For morbid fascination? Can you explain why you enjoy watching two men fight each other in the ring? Can your answer not be applied to female fighters?
Maybe there is another reason why you like watching men more than women?
"I'm not saying we should stop the girls from gloving up..."
Bullshit. Say what you really think. If you have any respect for your own thoughts, then tell them honestly.
"but maybe suggest self defence, kick-fit or a kata based martial art."
Why on earth would you suggest self-defense to someone who you think should not (or could not) fight? Stop trying to be nice.
Rudy wrote "If a female in my social sphere asked my opinion about it I would tell her Its a damn tough sport you wanna think twice about it"
So in other words, you would scare them off from fighting.
Rudy wrote "....and you guys already know my reasons why."
Yes. I do know your reasons why. Male insecurity....covered up by ill begotten logic created as a way to rationalize this insecurity. More on this later...
Rudy "Men are the RIGHTFUL owners of war, and all it's derivatives which have evolved into heavy contact sports today."
I'm glad you know your simple history. Men have created many wars. Good job (applause). If you have paid attention to your history lessons, you'd know that women were rarely put in a position to be an owner of war. That is due to social limitations. Women weren't put in a position of power very often. Yet, sometimes they were....and sometimes Queens would be the owners of war.
Rudy "But the true nature of these sports remains rooted in war and conflict! impose your will upon your opponent, force sumission or render him/her inert"
True, martial arts were created for the purposes of war. These combat ring sports are based on martial arts. But let's not get delusional here. Ring sports and War are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things. People die in war. That is the point of war. They use weapons. Homes and cities are destroyed. Ring sports are a VERY different thing than War. So you can drop that war comparison right now. The war references seem pretty irrelevant to this discussion.
Rudy wrote "Satankid....Our actions are born from our imaginations not our will.
'Imagery' is how you define what is to be your reality, how you PERCIEVE or IMAGINE yourself, others and events dictates your actions in life.
However, since you have 'developed as a person in terms of logic and experience'
your piercing gaze has allowed you to see through such 'charasmatic imagery' as old fashioned chilvary and taking your current philosphy/logic to its ultimate conclusion what other virtues might you have discarded in order to become WHAT?....a back seat cynic?"
First of all, who are you to label someone else as a cynic? A backseat cynic, at that.
Rudy, I wish you would stop playing nice. You have stated a handful of selfish reasons why you don't offer female fighters respect for what they do. There are holes in your explanations of WHY you don't like watching females fight each other. I wish you would get a little more honest about your stance. You later said "I'm not saying we should stop the girls from gloving up". But, if you were in a position to stop them, you certainly would. Perhaps if you were King, women would be banned from the ring? Is that right Rudy? Be honest.
My assessment of Rudy: I think a woman competing in a combat sport challenges your ideals of masculinity that you have defined for yourself. It is apparent that the cornerstone of your argument lies in defining strict roles for men and women. Perhaps your entire platform for self esteem was built upon these ideals of what a man should be and what a woman should be. If women compete in a "man's world" then where does that leave you and your ideals?
Furthermore, perhaps your attraction to women is fed by your idea that they are the "fairer sex"....i,e, weak. Some men are attracted to weakness. Maybe that is how you learned to appreciate women as you grew to an adult. You saw them as "gentle, kind, caring creatures" and nothing more. Perhaps as female fighters are applauded for being aggressive, this brings concern within you that women will lose start to lose one of their qualities that you consider a virtue. People do not have to be weak to be kind, caring and gentle. A woman can certainly be attractive without being weak.
I think you should step outside of your gender role for a second and appreciate the effort and the art that these women are displaying in the ring. I think you should WATCH SOME FEMALE FIGHTS for once. Based upon your comments earlier, I suspect that you haven't seen very many.
When you watch the fights, stop thinking about YOUR MOTHER! She is NOT YOUR MOTHER! Nobody is beating up YOUR MOTHER or your SISTER or your GIRLFRIEND!
Stop projecting!
It's on.
I hope you are ready for your rightful ownership of this war of words.
I appreciate your participation in this thread.
The other men who are against females fighing are too chickenshit to attempt to articulate their points, so I applaud you, for a moment.
Rudy wrote:
"Reason #1 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
The Boyz do it better! thats why all the prestiege and money is focused on the chaps. As a spectator you'll get more bang for your buck from watching the fellas go round."
First of all, your use of the word "Chicks" says everything. Your lack of respect for female fighters is not rooted in the points that you have listed here. There is more going on here.
Secondly, if you really followed that logic, you would only watch heavyweight fighters and nobody else. Obviously HUGE STRONG TALL fighters are genetically gifted for fighting. Right? They fight better than the lightweights as they would kick the shit out of ANY lightweight fighter. Right? So lightweight fighters should not fight. Right? It seems as if you are only applying this logic in the case of women.
Rudy wrote :
"Reason #2 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
Males were designed by nature for combat roles. Thats why we are bigger faster and stronger, mentally more agressive it's called TESTOSTERONE, and in times long ago we needed these attributes to hunt for and defend our familys and homes, females just didnt get cut out for that. Natures design."
Men were DESIGNED for combat roles?
This implies that all men carry this trait of "combat readiness" by design. From birth.
What a bunch of horseshit!
Everyone stand clear of these WARRIORS!!! Watch out! They are men!!! Designed from birth to fight!
They have NOTHING on these women...
Who obviously were NOT designed for fighting so they have no business doing it! (right?)
Rudy, I'm sure I could find women who are bigger, stronger and faster than you. That wouldn't change the fact that women compete against other women. The comparisons between men and women's physical capabilities is a baseless argument because of that reason alone. Women aren't fighting men.
"Reason #3 why chicks shouldnt be encouraged to fight
It just aint chilvarous to stand around and watch our fairer sex smash each other. They are our girlfriends, wives, daughters, they are mothers. It's not manly to applaud their suffering and I wince when I see a stunned girl turn involntarily away from a volley of head shots."
Chivalry? Chivalry is quickly defined as "courtesy toward women". What is so chivalrous about keeping women locked into a role that you see fit for them? Insisting that they live in a way that makes you comfortable?
I was right when I said that you probably imagine your mother or sister fighting when you assess these matches. These women are not simply our "Girlfriends, wives, mothers and daughters". They are individuals first and foremost. EACH WOMAN IS DIFFERENT, just like every person is different. If your mother entered the ring, she would probably suffer. She would probably get KO'd within 10 seconds. Perhaps she shouldn't be a fighter. The shortcomings of your own mother or girlfriend, sister, or daughter shouldn't apply to all women.
Your delusions about being "manly" aside...
You speak of these women as though they are weak victims who do nothing but suffer in the ring. Where does that come from?
If fighting was nothing but suffering then why would anybody do it?
Obviously, fighting involves more than just taking volleys of shots to the head.
These women gain as much from fighting as men do.
They don't only take punishment in the ring.
When I watch women compete against each other, I applaud. However, I am not applauding their suffering. I am applauding their courage. Their will. Their training. For you to sum up their competition as merely "Suffering" shows a lack of respect for what they are doing.
Your comments also imply that women typically respond to punches by being stunned and involuntarily turning away.
That makes me question how many female fights you have seen.
Make no mistake. There is nothing chivalrous about your attitude toward women.
Rudy wrote "I never saw the attraction in female fights, perhaps its value is one of morbid facination."
Rudy...is this why you like watching men fight each other? For morbid fascination? Can you explain why you enjoy watching two men fight each other in the ring? Can your answer not be applied to female fighters?
Maybe there is another reason why you like watching men more than women?
"I'm not saying we should stop the girls from gloving up..."
Bullshit. Say what you really think. If you have any respect for your own thoughts, then tell them honestly.
"but maybe suggest self defence, kick-fit or a kata based martial art."
Why on earth would you suggest self-defense to someone who you think should not (or could not) fight? Stop trying to be nice.
Rudy wrote "If a female in my social sphere asked my opinion about it I would tell her Its a damn tough sport you wanna think twice about it"
So in other words, you would scare them off from fighting.
Rudy wrote "....and you guys already know my reasons why."
Yes. I do know your reasons why. Male insecurity....covered up by ill begotten logic created as a way to rationalize this insecurity. More on this later...
Rudy "Men are the RIGHTFUL owners of war, and all it's derivatives which have evolved into heavy contact sports today."
I'm glad you know your simple history. Men have created many wars. Good job (applause). If you have paid attention to your history lessons, you'd know that women were rarely put in a position to be an owner of war. That is due to social limitations. Women weren't put in a position of power very often. Yet, sometimes they were....and sometimes Queens would be the owners of war.
Rudy "But the true nature of these sports remains rooted in war and conflict! impose your will upon your opponent, force sumission or render him/her inert"
True, martial arts were created for the purposes of war. These combat ring sports are based on martial arts. But let's not get delusional here. Ring sports and War are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things. People die in war. That is the point of war. They use weapons. Homes and cities are destroyed. Ring sports are a VERY different thing than War. So you can drop that war comparison right now. The war references seem pretty irrelevant to this discussion.
Rudy wrote "Satankid....Our actions are born from our imaginations not our will.
'Imagery' is how you define what is to be your reality, how you PERCIEVE or IMAGINE yourself, others and events dictates your actions in life.
However, since you have 'developed as a person in terms of logic and experience'
your piercing gaze has allowed you to see through such 'charasmatic imagery' as old fashioned chilvary and taking your current philosphy/logic to its ultimate conclusion what other virtues might you have discarded in order to become WHAT?....a back seat cynic?"
First of all, who are you to label someone else as a cynic? A backseat cynic, at that.
Rudy, I wish you would stop playing nice. You have stated a handful of selfish reasons why you don't offer female fighters respect for what they do. There are holes in your explanations of WHY you don't like watching females fight each other. I wish you would get a little more honest about your stance. You later said "I'm not saying we should stop the girls from gloving up". But, if you were in a position to stop them, you certainly would. Perhaps if you were King, women would be banned from the ring? Is that right Rudy? Be honest.
My assessment of Rudy: I think a woman competing in a combat sport challenges your ideals of masculinity that you have defined for yourself. It is apparent that the cornerstone of your argument lies in defining strict roles for men and women. Perhaps your entire platform for self esteem was built upon these ideals of what a man should be and what a woman should be. If women compete in a "man's world" then where does that leave you and your ideals?
Furthermore, perhaps your attraction to women is fed by your idea that they are the "fairer sex"....i,e, weak. Some men are attracted to weakness. Maybe that is how you learned to appreciate women as you grew to an adult. You saw them as "gentle, kind, caring creatures" and nothing more. Perhaps as female fighters are applauded for being aggressive, this brings concern within you that women will lose start to lose one of their qualities that you consider a virtue. People do not have to be weak to be kind, caring and gentle. A woman can certainly be attractive without being weak.
I think you should step outside of your gender role for a second and appreciate the effort and the art that these women are displaying in the ring. I think you should WATCH SOME FEMALE FIGHTS for once. Based upon your comments earlier, I suspect that you haven't seen very many.
When you watch the fights, stop thinking about YOUR MOTHER! She is NOT YOUR MOTHER! Nobody is beating up YOUR MOTHER or your SISTER or your GIRLFRIEND!
Stop projecting!