Your ideas for kicking are on the right track I think.

Why not apply the same logic to running?

Look at the demands of the sport. You said 15-20 kicks a round. How does throwing 200 in a row prepare the body for that?


Take that logic and train a sprinter that way. See how many races he wins.

100meters is damn tiring-better run 20 miles... It won't work.

It gets tricky (and I'm just learning about how to put it all together) but all the energy systems over lap. Just like running, sprinting etc over laps the use of different muscle fibers. Also the ATP etc in different muscles gets used when you use them (that would say to me a fighter who can mix up his weapons should have more energy than if he primarily used one). Then with all the short break.. punch punch kick.....kick....block kick.... the recovery isn't as simple as talking about running etc

However if you look at the demands of the sport and mimic them I believe you will get way better results.

Pad work for the time of the fight rnd with fight breaks for training (if you do it as a work out-though still keeping form) IMO will develop your conditioning for a fight much better than running 20miles.

Also the need to run every day is rediculous and very catabolic(means break down!!). Its not what you can do its what you can recover from.

You want top strength gains in your squat you sure as hell don't squat every day.

Answer me this. Those who have run every day (more than once a day too)-what kind of gains have you found? And how have you found the changes in the fighting? This might be hard to seperate cause most people putting the time in running are training seriously (where I think you'll get more conditioning relevant to the sport).

Running every day, sit-ups every day, push ups every day is rediculous IF you want gains, be they strength, performance, power, speed or conditioning.


Lets say you did what you could, keeping form and speed. Getting enough recovery to always make improvements, be they form, speed, intensity or quantity. You keep going up...keeping form and speed and intensity. Where could you end up?

How many people run your ass off and still tire in a fight and so you run more???

I know some of you experience this.

Or how many train and train and train and don't get anywhere?? Could this be a factor? Those with a stronger expression of thier genes may be able to get away with it longer and may say it works for me but doesn't mean its ideal or that it won't kill many even faster.

Injuries ARE related to over training. To being over catabolic. Over training may make you fit short term but you will get sick or injured or burn out or get diseased sooner or later..more and more.

IMO

Read that. If I throw 20 kicks fast and body remembers how will I throw 15-20 a rnd... why not?

Do we throw that many kicks straight in a fight?50 straight even? No

I think good pad work is a huge part of conditioning.

After a base intensity is build then I think intensity must be maintained and quantity slowly built.

3 2 min rnds of high intensity is a better building block than 5 x 4minrnds with medium-low intensity.

Train intensly and build untill you can do what you want for the time frame you need it for.

I don't want to throwweak slow kicks all night. I want to throw strong, powerful kicks, we speed, form and timing.

Give me a list of what you think makes great fighters and things like speed, power, timing, intensity will be high on a list, no?

I htink training these things and training them right will give you what you need in other areas.

"It is hard for the body to learn skillful movement when fatigued" -Gray Cook

Not what I was looking for but here is one along the lines dicussed
By the way this guy is genius

"Developing endurance is not just about aerobic conditioning. Anaerobic conditioning is fundimental to most sports. IUt's important for athletes to develop the ability to recover from quick bursts of explosive activity. Endurance for sports is not about how long you can maintain a steady state of activity; it is the capacity to explode, react, recover, and maintain skill no matter what you're up against." -Gray Cook Athletic Body In Balance

I was looking for a quote where he talks about training these things will give you all the endurance (not aerobic conditioning-that doesn't help much) you need.

"...its easy to make a sprinter into an endurance athlete, but this is generally not a desirable result." -Michael Boyle Functional Training for Sports he also talks about its harder to go the other way around. Training endurance (longer than demands of your sport) will take away from your performance.

I think it was this book with the quote I was looking for ...

ah yes.. p9 has a good paragraph... a little long...

talking about the key is analizing the qualities in a sport or athlete that make a great performer. Not working on what he doesn't do well.. "For years coaches have been trying to improve aerobic capacity in explosive athletes. The end result seems to be an athlete with a higher oxygen uptake but no real change in performance. Training programs designed in this way improve the athletes ability at a sustained pace in sports that do not require a sustained pace."

goes on to talk about defenders of this belief saying 'soccer players run five miles and tennis matches last 2 hrs' etc "The questionm is at what speed and in what time period? A tennis match may take two hours to play but what is the ratio of sprinting and standing? Are the players in constant motion? The advocates of aerobic training never point to this training as a way of improving performance, only as a way of improving recovery. The goal is to improve performance."

"The key to improving sports performance lies in improving the ability to produce speed and power. Endurance should be an after thought. We tell our athletes over and over that it takes years to get fast and powerful and weeks to get in aerobic shape." Michael Boyle Functional training For Sports

With that in mind think of Poliquin (with all his amazing results with athletes). 6 weeks out of a year for aerobic gains..

How many of you not training can get into fight shape in weeks-couple months? How much do you improve when you train months on end (conditioning wise?)?

past my bed time-night :)

how many of you guys think I'm an ass? lol