andy bc quotes...in reference to Tony myers judging 'in the UK like him and the likes of Liam Robinson, Dean James Craig O'Flynn and Dave Jackson, (i apologise if i have missed any).

Agreed Andy! good set of judges to pick from although I would add Nash Keshwala,Sean Toomey,Paul Hamilton,Pele Nathan, Louis Meschia etc need a mention however you should exclude Liam Robinson from this as he comes on ax under alias users like pinsinchai, global, buakow boy, thaisoon 17, Justin Lauavigne, etc etc and slags people of especially my fighters then expects us to be happy with him doing any judging!! he is a disgrace to judging and does not bring impartiality to the sport.He should be aware that ip address give u away! as a result of this I expect Tony Myers as his trainer to put him straight on this and perhaps he needs 'educating'. How the hell can his view be impartial when he comes on here under alias users because he is afraid to put his name to it. He cannot deny it! impartiality starts at home!!!


this comes from the back of the statement below....

'I am sure there were many who have been in MuayThai for years who thought David won. Which suggests to me is that we still have a way to go to 'EDUCATE' coaches, fighters, judges and the public. If they think Dave and Kieran won they should come forward and explain exactly why they won, which of their techniques actually scored and why their opponent's didn't. '

the fact that you stated Kieran won the 5th but needed a big round is what I have in question and the fact you saw 4th as a draw! he either won the round or he didnt! 10 or 9? the thai conceeded defeat in round 5 and it was clear for all to see! the thai was off balanced, hit with clean shots in 4 and 5 and had the less effect with anything he threw. clear win rounds and I do not need any further clarification of the rules thanks.THE THAI KNOWS THIS ALSO.


I do not agree with the Sarmkor descision or Kierans but I respect that Tony scores it his way.Fair enough.I expect that he should respect our opinion and shouldnt think that we are in need of EDUCATION. Sarmkor was in big trouble after that elbow not just from the cut but from the impact of the blow. Had it been a punch then he would have got an eight count and therefore the effect the elbow had should have been treated the same way. And likewise he should respect ours! Many experienced trainers were there and thought Kieran and Dave won! afterall the entire scoring system was invenetd by fighters and trainers originally! Opinions are always going to be different thats why you have three judges and not 1! The interesting point is that there was three on the night and the third judge was Nash Keshwala appointed by WMC for this fight and thailand ifma trained and experienced judge.He scored the fights kierans way and daveS way!!! if judging is to be consistent then all the judges will score the same wouldnt they? what a load of shite! that is a dictatorship if I ever heard!angles alter peoples opinions and so does the assessment of the damage done. Opinions on fights will always vary even in Thailand! the whole reason to have three judges and not 1 is for this very reason and if you think that Sean Toomey, Bill Judd,Russ Connor, Tim Isli, myself a mountain of other instuctors and about 1500 people are wrong then you are mad! Kieran won the fight end of story and the fact that it was level going into the last and the thai was totally dominated in the fifth hands ki a victory. The biggest give away for that was the fact that the thai conceded defeat and knew he had lost. It happens at all the stadiums in the last round when the fighter has lost he knows it like the thai did at the weekend. I bet he couldnt believe getting a draw.

In the case of Kierans fight for that world title the fact that one of the judges had scored it Kierans way should have been enough along with the fifth round landslide to give the fight to Kieran. If you expect us to be happy with the result and respect the descision then you should not use words like 'we need educating'.an insult to say the least.

Another point is why do people assume that the judging for the first round should have been level. We are not in Thailand creating odds for the gamblers to bet on!!! If thats the case then scrap the first round.KIERAN WON THE FIRST ROUND!!! We are not in Thailand and if you expect people to follow the sport then we need to count every round properly.Spectators were not impressed and I have never heard such a reaction to those results ever! Muay thai is a global sport now not just belonging to Thailand. If this is the case we better abandon associations like FIFA cos we created football! Thailand is another country and the scoring in the stadiums is very dicated by gambling. end of.
If the sport is to grow then the results need to be something like what people can relate too otherwise we are getting nowhere. To suggest that decorated instructors are in need of scoring education is a fucking joke to say the least. It is the same as saying that WE DONT KNOW HOW TO TRAIN ARE FIGHTERS TO WIN!! WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT! especially in light of the fact that there is no other englishmen with as much thai fighting experience as Kieran has. He knows when he has lost or drawn and he knew saturday that he had won and played that game in the fifth and the Thai knew aswell.

Another point Bill Judd and I agree on is that impartial judging starts from not having your own fighters on the circuit, not sharing discussions ringside whilst judging, not sharing hotel rooms and socialising with the opposition and not having students forming alias users to publicy condemn your gym!!! I would just love to see the shoe on the other foot and see what would be thought if we did the same. Fortuntaely we have some balls about us and are not afraid to write our names on here. Liam R on the other side should be ashamed of himself.