would just like to clarify for Alan and Mr Smith that i did have the global password etc sent to me through email (not from Liam R to clear that up)but have never and would not have posted under it. Alan you no full well that if i have something to say wheter it be to yourself or anyone else i openly come on here and say it as MYSELF. The way this is going we are never going to have a full undestanding of the scoring system, i think i now how to judge Muay Thai, Tony, Liam R, Dean James, Mr Smith and even Liam H with him spending so much time in Thailand have all given me there views on it and they have all been along the same lines so i follow those and believe that i no what im talking about. However it seems that no matter what you think you no there is always something else popping up into the equation now. I think the idea of us all meeting up to sit in on the same course to get the full understanding of just how Muay Thai is scored wheter it is in Thailand or the UK, the only problem is that will NEVER happen. when and how are we gunna get all the people who would need to be there, there at the same time same place?? it is near on impossible dont you think. The other way arpund it is to have regul;ar judging courses going on, im sure Tony will no how to arange this? and if there is anyone out there who is not happy with Tony doing these courses who else could/would people trust. I myself have been to Tony's judging courses and found it extremley informative and i learnt a lot from it. One thing is for sure for Muay Thai's sake this needs to be sorted once and for all. On another note i totaly agree with Dazza's earlier comment, we are English but we take part, train and compete in THAI BOXING, ie it is from THAILAND, it is there sport, they gave this wonderfull sport to us, so how the hell do we have the cheek to even think about changing the rules to suit an ENGLISH audience??? that is rubbish, we fight Muay Thai so the fight should be scored as it is in Thailand no matter where in the world the fight is, other wise we are just showing a blatent disrespect to the sport and to the Thai's themselve's.