i'll post fully later, but absolutely understand the concern for reffing / judging needs to be brought into a consistent line..i only spoke with the head judge, and he discounted any of the 'trips' in scoring, but i think some judges may look to the ref for pointing these out and/ or warning fighter before the judges make record. yeah, we should all check the muay thai scoring criteria thread and sort it out..i'll try not to get moderated by swearing at the sexist drivel that appeared in that thread this time! i was rendered inarticulate by the bigoted postulations of two axers who ought to know better...anyway, post later once i know everybody is back home safe, and all my people are good. cheers.