i put this on not to piss anyone of just to advertise for a guy who runs a martail arts shop but has no thai contacts,students in the gym where not happy at the prices they were paying for equipment,sandee is all i have really ever used in my gym and on my shows,the only way around this is something similiar but cheaper,fair enough its a copy,but it does the job for me and my students, obviously it wont be your sandee,twins,king standard,why would i try to upset anyone when i advertise fightshop sandee,all over the gym,my fight banners at the weigh and at our shows as well,the fighters nearly everyone of them wear them,sandee gear is tops,but not everyone in my gym can afford it,hope that clears things up .