kirk-ok so those who didn't eat as much meat didn't get as much cancer but your saying that if those that did eat meat and then cut out what the others were eating when they didn't get cancer they wouldn't get it either? I guess thats possible.

Could you share some studies with us?

kirk-I'm not so sure about the diet on cattle.. I do know anything will make you fat if you over eat and don't exercise. Obviously farmers are trying to fatten up cattle.

You are saying milk spikes your insulin??? I know its high in fat but I have never heard of it spiking insulin levels. (its also designed for calves, not people)

Almost everyones defficient.

This is from 1981 but I would think we'd be getting worse if anything..

37,785 US citzens tested..
80% defficiant in B6
75% magnesium
68% calcium
57% iron

etc etc

Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (Hanes1) 28,000 peopl from 1-74

9 out of 10 women insufficient iron
1 in 2 insufficient calcium

over all 60% showed some signes of malnutrition regardless of income level

Ten State Nutritional Survey
86,000 people

In Michigan more than half the people tested were defficient in folic acid
Texas-1 in 4 men and 1 in 3 women defficient in VitA.
S. CAl-1 in 3 deficient in B2

This one showed that 2/3s of people were malnurished and they only tested 1/5th of the 59 essential nutrients needed for optimal health.

Defficiencies are every where.


This doesn't nessasarilly add to arguements but you mentioned deficiancies...

Don't most Americans eat more meat than much of the world though. Its life expectancy is way below many other countries who eat less meat.

But you are saying meat is only dangerous when you eat grains with it? Are you also saying that grains are not dangerous if eaten without meat or they still are?

Rickets is caused by lack of VitD right? How does eating grains effect this?

What do Eskimos eat? Seal fat? What type of fat is seal fat and how, if at all, does it differ from the saturated crap America gorges on?