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Posted: 2006-08-21 19:00:15
To Beranes,

As far as I remember, there was never two styles of kickboxing in Japan. The truth is that the two organization (the Japan Kick Boxing Association and All Japan Kickboxing Federation) had to recruit fighters from different martial arts background to convert them to muay thai competitors. Some of those early fighters combined muay thai with what they trained in before.

JBC has always prohibit their boxers to compete in other fighting medium. Unless the fighters retire, they cannot make any transition to different fightinig sports.

Junichiro Tatsuyoshi was certainly promising when he was coming up. But I think his handlers screwed his career;expecting too much too soon. He failed to improve his defensive tactics. Yet he was more pleasant to watch than the Kameda brothers.

It is true the standing submission is allowed in shootboxing competition. But a very few fighters use them in the ring. One of the early fighers used them to setup for the throw. It is difficult to use joint locks with the regular boxing gloves.

To Tee Gee,

I appreciate the correction. Since the fight took place in Florida, I did not know the detail of the fight,and I now think the one who told me the story ( he was a gym owner) got a wrong info or something. Once again, thank you very much.

To ercan gürgöze,

There is certainly the factor that the Japanese coaches have tendencies to trust too much on what they acquired in the past, at least Kurosaki was a little more open-minded for the standard of the early days. For example, he sent Fujiwara to the Olympic wrestling team to further develop his clinching skills. Now Fujiwara encourages his fighters to cross-train in wrestling.
Kurosaki was not a kind of instructor who teach his students in every detail of the aspects of the sport. He usually let his students to absorb things they think useful by themselves. He gives a couple of pointers, and then the students have to develop from them. It worked well in the early days because fighters had more opportunity to fight. But today, we cannot afford to do that.

You may disagree but I believe the Japanese have fought the Thais in the common weight divisions more often than the Dutch due to the similarity in body size. Once again, whether you like it or not, the Japanese have to focus on what the Thais usually don't. I'm not saying their style is always working, and I, and many other know something has to be done to improve the current skill level.

You mentioned Fujiwara and Shima, but you have to understand they fought more than 100 fights in their careers. There were times when fighters fought more than twice a month. They had something which the current fighters don't - experience. Nowadays, it is difficult to have even more than 50 fights, and they seldom get paid in cash. Fujiwara, Shima, and others in the early era were full-time fighters. Some fighters built their own home, while others opened restaurants or other business ventures. The situation and circumstance are totally different. There used to be lot more fights available for fighters,and even today's K-1 and PRIDE cannot compare to those early days.

The rules are slightly different. Back then, the Japanese adopted the two-minute interval rule as in Thailand. This allowed the Japanese fighters to throw fully-commited long-range homerun punches. It certainly had KO power because of the distance the punches travel. Now the interval is one minute. The aforementioned punches have to be modified. Kyoji Saito, the former stable fighter of Kurosaki, whose career ended in 1991, fought both during and after the golden era. He had difficulty adjusting his punching techniques. Into the 80's, he still used the everything-homerun punching tactics, however, with the one-minute interval, he could not have sufficient time to recover. So, often his hands went lower and lower. He was floored by Richard Sylla of France, but luckily got up and KOed Sylla. But he was not that lucky when he met Tom Von de Berg in Amsterdam. When his hands began going lower, Von de Berg saw the opening and execute the picture perfect roundhouse kick to the head and KOed him. The Dutch style combinations work lot better for the one-minute interval, and for the 2-minute round international rule. This certainly has been the standard for the sport in the past two decades. The coaches and teachers might be not so open-minded, but the fighers today, such as Masato has incorporated many new technologies,and there is the official branch of the Vos Gym in Tokyo. So, in future, I hope there will some good fighers.

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