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Topic:100 Percent Natural = 100 Percent Safe ??
HamishtheHammer
Posted: 2007-05-25 06:45:02
Wrong. And Recent Apple Juice Tragedy Could Have Been Averted

Warning: This product is 100% natural, is not pasteurized and contains no preservatives. It may contain harmful bacteria.

Would you drink apple juice labeled like this? Would you give it to your baby? But the juice wasn't labeled, people did drink it, and now 48 are in the hospital and one--a 16-month-old baby girl from Denver has died.

Such tragedies are senseless. We have the means to prevent them: pasteurization. If pasteurization is not used, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) should mandate a warning label on any unpasteurized products.

An E. coli infection (E. coli 0157:H7) is not a simple case of nausea and mild diarrhea. Victims suffer from acute abdominal pain and frequently have bloody stools. It can't be treated by antibiotics.

Children Most Susceptible To E. Coli Complications
The bacteria attach to intestinal cells and produce an extremely potent toxin. Approximately 10% of patients with such infections develop acute kidney failure and other serious problems that can be fatal. Young children are the most susceptible to such complications.

Pasteurization destroys E. coli, and milk pasteurization is mandated in almost every state. It protects against microorganisms like E coli and salmonella and diseases like tuberculosis.

Pasteurization is the destruction of disease-causing microorganisms in a food. It may be accomplished by heating or irradiating the food.

Some people object to heat pasteurization because they say it causes loss of nutrients from the food. This is true, but typically loss is minimal. Fresh orange juice, for example, contains about 125 milligrams of vitamin C per cup; when pasteurized, the juice has about 90. The recommended dietary allowance of vitamin C is 60 mg for an adult, so one glass still provides plenty.

Apple juice is not a major source of Vitamin C, providing only about 5 mg per cup if fresh, and 2 mg if pasteurized. No one should be counting on any sort of unsupplemented apple juice for their vitamin C---pasteurized or not.

Another objection to heat pasteurization is that the flavor of the juice is altered. But if the apple juice is used in multi-juice drink, as it was in the products that caused an E. Coli outbreak in several western states earlier this year, it is unlikely that the flavor change could be detected--even with heat pasteurization.

Pasteurization By Irradiation
An alternative to heat that would preserve flavor is pasteurization by irradiation. Food irradiation was approved by the World Health Organization more than 10 years ago, has been approved by the U.S. government for a variety of foods, and its use has been supported by groups such as the American Medical Association, American Dietetics Association and American Gastroenterological Association. But it is not yet widely used in this country. It is not a heat-producing process, does not make the food radioactive, and will kill E. coli, salmonella and other pathogenic bacteria.

E. coli first came to public attention in 1993 due to an outbreak associated with eating hamburgers. More than 700 people became ill, 178 were hospitalized, 56 children developed kidney failure, and four died. Though similar outbreaks continue to occur, the U.S. food industry and government regulators have not taken full advantage of the technologies that could enhance the safety of our food.

My heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones from E. coli infections. As a scientist, I know the risks associated with unpasturized products. My family and I have enjoyed fresh apple juice, but never again. I am appalled that fresh juice without warning labels is still on the market, and that people are also served under-cooked hamburger.

People must not be mislead into thinking that natural is automatically safe. Technologies are protective. Pasteurization by heat or irradiation destroys bacteria that can lead to illness or death. Health authorities should require safe and adequate processing, and they should move swiftly to permit the safe use of new technologies.

And until such technologies are in place, warning labels should allow people to make informed choices. Consumers should be able to choose safety-enhanced heat or irradiation-pasteurized foods.


~~~~~~~~

By DR. CHRISTINE BRUHN


Dr. Bruhn, Ph.D., is scientific advisor to the American Council on Science and Health
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-25 15:35:27
please share all the cases of e coli outbreaks in the last 50 years. That would be interesting to see where most came from. (for example more from pasteuried milk than from raw)

Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-25 15:42:29
AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH

The following groups have contributed to ACSH in the past according to ACSH's 1991 annual report. ACSH stopped disclosing corporate donors in the early 1990s.

$25,000 and above

* American Cyanamid Company
* Anheuser-Busch Foundation
* General Electric Foundation
* Rollin M. Gerstacker Foundation
* ICI Agricultural Products, Inc.
* ISK Biotech Corporation
* Kraft, Inc.
* Monsanto Fund
* The NutraSweet Company
* John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.
* Pfizer, Inc.
* Sarah Scalfe Foundation Incorporated
* The Starr Foundation

$15,000 to $24,000

* Archer Daniels Midland Company
* Carnation Company
* Ciba-Geigy Corporation
* Ethyl Corporation
* Exxon Corporation
* General Mills, Inc.
* Heublein Inc.
* Hiram Walker-Allied Vintners
* Johnson & Johnson
* Kellogg Company
* The Esther A. and Joseph Klingenstein Fund, Inc.
* Malysian Palm Oil Promotion Council
* National Starch and Chemical Foundation, Inc.
* PepsiCo Foundation Inc.
* Union Carbide Corporation

$10,000 to $14,999

* Aetna Foundation, Inc.
* The Bristol-Myers Squibble Foundation, Inc
* Chevron Corporation
* Dow Chemical U.S.A
* E. I. DuPont De Nemours & Company
* FMC Foundation
* The Gerber Companies Foundation
* Hershey Foods Corporation Fund
* Thomas J. Lipton Foundation, Inc
* National Agricultural Chemicals Association
* National Soft Drink Association
* The Procter & Gamble Fund
* Rohm & Haas Company
* Joseph R. Seagram &Sons, Inc
* Searle Charitable Trust
* Shell Oil Company Foundation
* Sterling Winthrop Inc
* The Sugar Association, Inc.
* Uniroyal Chemical Company, Inc.

$5,000 to $9,999

* Alcoa Foundation
* Allied-Signal Foundation Inc.
* Amax Foundation, Inc.
* The Becton Dickinson Foundation
* Campbell Soup Fund
* Cargrill Fertilizer Division
* The Coca-Cola Company
* Cooper Industries Foundation
* Supporting Member
* Consolidated Edison Company of New York, Inc.
* Distilled Spirits Council of the United States
* Ford Motor Company Fund
* Frito-Lay, Inc.
* Georgia-Pacific Corporation
* Heinz U.S.A
* IMC Fertilizer, Inc.
* KPMG Peat Marwick
* McCormick & Company, Inc.
* Mobil Foundation
* National Live Stock & Meat Board
* Olin Corporation Charitable Trust
* PPG Industries Foundation
* Pepsi-Cola Company
* The Reader's Digest Association, Inc.
* Simpson Fund
* The Stare Fund
* Sun Company, Inc.
* USX Foundation Inc.
* The Warner-Lambert Foundation


100% ummm who is paying the bills?
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-25 16:10:16
In the first section we have

Monsanto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw
this is a timy tiny part of Monsanto



Pfizer, Inc.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article1820668.ece
Drug company Pfizer sued over drug tests on children

Anyone can choose what they want to believe. Reality is that we think that but we believe and we perceive through the filters of what we have been taught. Most of the time our thinking is comes into the conscious through the subconscious where all the beliefs we have been taught are stored.

About 8% of thought is conscious... 92% is programming... the question is what are we programmed with and does it serve us or do we even think it is true if we broke it down.

Current memetic and brain washing research suggests that 2% of the worlds population have access to their own brains.

"My heart goes out to the families who have lost loved ones from E. coli infections. As a scientist, I know the risks associated with unpasturized products. My family and I have enjoyed fresh apple juice, but never again. I am appalled that fresh juice without warning labels is still on the market, and that people are also served under-cooked hamburger."


- this wording is typical to create a fear memes.

This is emotionally based, regardless if there is truth or not.

It is adressing fears.

Humans pay attention to fear, sex and food. Thats a fact.

Any info that comes with a fear is more likely to be payed attention to.

(doesn't mean the info is true or false, right or wrong) but it grabs the mind.

Anything that has fear memes in it I have to question.
Follow the mony is always an interesting direction to go.

Do a tiny bit of research on Monsanto and you wouldn't touch anything they touched with a 10 foot pole

At least I sure as hell wouldn't

("The Future Of Food" shares a tiny bit of what they are about too - can watch on line.. its a documentary)


HamishtheHammer
Posted: 2007-05-25 21:33:35
I really think having a label informing the consumer would be a good thing....information = power
Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-26 09:48:10
I agree.

One issue I see is the marketing that goes with labeling and the misinformation.

I would like to see MORE labeling but the wording and the assumptions made, never mind the loops holes and tricks are the issue.


Example some of the sugar alternatives say they have no sugar when in fact they DO have sugar in them.

GRAS ingredients also are not on labels and they are pretty nasty and scary.

They use words like Lite - when they may have litened the package coloring.

See raw to me says good.
Raw to many people says bad.

Irradiation to me says I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Irradiation to others says safe for me.

Information is good but its only interpreted through other information.

I can show a client in seconds how irradiated food or processed food will literally make them weaker instantly. Their body will actually go weaker!

"The body cannot lie"

I listen to the body over what any experts say, regardless if they are 'independant' or in the pockets of huge mega industries.

I'll take in the info and consider the evidence but experience and the individual will tell you the truth for them - at least this is my experience.

Point is I can find ten studies that say one thing and ten that say the opposite.

Studies and evidence is important but there is so much bias. Infact quantum physics shows that the intention of the outcome effects the outcome. Never mind we find what we are looking for on other levels as we can only look through our own filters and belief systems.



HamishtheHammer
Posted: 2007-05-27 16:41:31
"No human diet can be free of naturally occurring chemicals that are rodent carcinogens. Of the chemicals that people eat, 99.99% are natural."

— Bruce Ames, Ph.D. and Lois Swirsky Gold, Ph.D. University of California, Berkeley

HamishtheHammer
Posted: 2007-05-27 16:42:17
Appetizers

Cream of Mushroom Soup

hydrazines

Fresh Relish Tray

Carrots

aniline, caffeic acid

Cherry Tomatoes

benzaldehyde, caffeic acid, hydrogen peroxide, quercetin glycosides

Celery

caffeic acid, furan derivatives, psoralens

Assorted Nuts

Mixed Roasted Nuts

aflatoxin, furfural

Green Salad

Tossed Lettuce and Arugula with Basil-Mustard Vinaigrette

allyl isothiocyanate, caffeic acid, estragole, methyl eugenol

Entrees

Roast Turkey

heterocyclic amines

Bread Stuffing (with onions, celery, black pepper & mushrooms)

acrylamide, ethyl alcohol, benzo(a)pyrene, ethyl carbamate, furan derivatives, furfural, dihydrazines, d-limonene, psoralens, quercetin glycosides, safrole

Cranberry Sauce

furan derivatives

or

Prime Rib of Beef with Parsley Sauce

benzene, heterocyclic amines, psoralens

Vegetables

Broccoli Spears

allyl isothiocyanate

Baked Potato

ethyl alcohol, caffeic acid

Sweet Potato

ethyl alcohol, furfural

Rolls with Butter

acetaldehyde, benzene, ethyl alcohol, benzo(a)pyrene, ethyl carbamate, furan derivatives, furfural

Desserts

Pumpkin Pie

benzo(a)pyrene, coumarin, methyl eugenol, safrole

Apple Pie

acetaldehyde, caffeic acid, coumarin, estragole, ethyl alcohol, methyl eugenol, quercetin glycosides, safrole

Fruit Tray

Fresh Apples, Grapes, Mangos, Pears, Pineapple

acetaldehyde, benzaldehyde, caffeic acid, d-limonene, estragole, ethyl acrylate, quercetin glycosides

Beverages

Red Wine, White Wine

ethyl alcohol, ethyl carbamate

Coffee

benzo(a)pyrene, benzaldehyde, benzene, benzofuran, caffeic acid, catechol, 1,2,5,6-dibenz(a)anthracene, ethyl benzene, furan, furfural, hydrogen peroxide, hydroquinone, d-limonene, 4-methylcatechol

Tea

benzo(a)pyrene, quercetin glycosides

Jasmine Tea

benzyl acetate

NATURALLY OCCURRING MUTAGENS and CARCINOGENS FOUND in FOODS and BEVERAGES

Acetaldehyde (apples, bread, coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and potent rodent carcinogen

Acrylamide (bread, rolls)—rodent and human neurotoxin; rodent carcinogen

Aflatoxin (nuts)—mutagen and potent rodent carcinogen; also a human carcinogen

Allyl isothiocyanate (arugula, broccoli, mustard)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

Aniline (carrots)—rodent carcinogen

Benzaldehyde (apples, coffee, tomatoes)—rodent carcinogen

Benzene (butter, coffee, roast beef)—rodent carcinogen

Benzo(a)pyrene (bread, coffee, pumpkin pie, rolls, tea)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

Benzofuran (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

Benzyl acetate (jasmine tea)—rodent carcinogen

Caffeic acid (apples, carrots, celery, cherry tomatoes, cof-fee, grapes, lettuce, mangos, pears, potatoes)—rodent carcinogen

Catechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

Coumarin (cinnamon in pies)—rodent carcinogen

1,2,5,6-dibenz(a)anthracene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

Estragole (apples, basil)—rodent carcinogen

Ethyl alcohol (bread, red wine, rolls)—rodent and human carcinogen

Ethyl acrylate (pineapple)—rodent carcinogen

Ethyl benzene (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

Ethyl carbamate (bread, rolls, red wine)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

Furan and furan derivatives (bread, onions, celery, mushrooms, sweet potatoes, rolls, cranberry sauce, coffee)—many are mutagens

Furfural (bread, coffee, nuts, rolls, sweet potatoes)—furan derivative and rodent carcinogen

Heterocyclic amines (roast beef, turkey)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

Hydrazines (mushrooms)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

Hydrogen peroxide (coffee, tomatoes)—mutagen and rodent carcinogen

Hydroquinone (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

d-limonene (black pepper, mangos)—rodent carcinogen

4-methylcatechol (coffee)—rodent carcinogen

Methyl eugenol (basil, cinnamon and nutmeg in apple and pumpkin pies)—rodent carcinogen

Psoralens (celery, parsley)—mutagens; rodent and human carcinogens

Quercetin glycosides (apples, onions, tea, tomatoes)—mutagens and rodent carcinogens

Safrole (nutmeg in apple and pumpkin pies, black pepper)—rodent carcinogen



Mark L.
Posted: 2007-05-27 21:56:13


Not sure I get your point. Could you put it a different way please?
norm the storm
Posted: 2007-06-30 02:28:49
DONT YOU DARE TELL ME WHATS IN MY ICE CREAM HAMMER!

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Mark L.
Posted: 2007-06-30 07:32:33
Not suggesting that it is the best way to go but
with EFT you can minimize the negative effects of
foods etc that are bad for your body. I know one
EFT expert who reacts badly to gluten (most people
do) but due to health reasons she was more aware of
ho it messed her up. Well if she ate it she would tap
and minimize the effects.

Can do that for foods you are allergic to too. Quite
often you can get rid of the allergy or if nothing
else tap on the effects after eating etc

If you eat something 'bad' for you, ENJOY it. Don't stress
about it, that just makes it do more damage. :)
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