Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Yousef Taghizadeh (NYKK)
Former champion of Iran
USASKF World San Shou Champion
USKBA US San Shou Champion

Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Marvin Perry (Boston San Shou)
USA WKF national San Shou champion
USKBA regional Full Contact champion

Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Peter Kaljevic
WKA, USKBA, PKF and ISKA champion
competed in more than 70 professional matches including kickboxing, Muay Thai, Shootboxing, and Mixed Martial Arts

Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Vladimir Mrinsky (Borodin's Muay Thai)
"The Russian Tank"
USKBA Muay Thai champion

Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Richard "Razor Shin" Acosta (NYKK)
ICMAC San Shou Champion
US Open San Shou Champion

Feature fighters in New York Showdown 5

Steve Berkolayko (Borodin's Muay Thai)
USKBA Muay Thai champion

New York Showdown 5
Saturday September 8, 2001 4 pm
Norman Thomas Auditorium
111 E 33rd street at Park Ave South
tickets $50 VIP, $40 ringside, $30 reserved, $20 general seating
NO SRO

Tickets call (212) 242-2453 or email dross@sanshou.org

DOH! I fogrot to mention that this is yet ANOTHER great show brought to you in association with the USKBA, visit www.uskba.com

It looks like its gonna be another great show. I am glad that my fighters From AFC Kickboxing are gonna be A part of it.

Chrissy Yandolli /Full Contact Kickboxing
Lennox Chance /Sanshou
Sandon Nachmon /Low KICK

GOOD LUCK !!

TOMMY "BEE"

All the best to your guys TOMMY BEE and good luck on the event and all the fighters ikfmdc.

Thank you ,Mark

Mark, thanks for the kind words

Tommy, it is a pleasure working with you. We've worked with you since day one and I am glad we have such a cooperative relationship.

Next plan, to get World Champion Tommy "Bee" in the ring for a New York Showdown event :)

David, That would be awesome. I know that we have discussed it in the past and it would be good to come back to fight in Sanshou / Kickboxing for the show that I fought my last ameteur fight on.
I am glad to see that you guys have grown and have continued to help the sport of Sanshou.
You better hurry up and sign me before I get too old for this stuff.

Peter Kaljevic? What's his record? I think I saw his name for winning some fight out on the west coast recently. Didn't he also lose to an 18 yr old kid from Duke Roufus' gym a few years back? Have you guys competed with the Roufus gym before?

Are all those belts muay thai belts or just san shou with the THAI FLAG on them?

You think I could enter this card...here is my fight photo/GIF...of my deadly Non-Thai influenced round kick.

Oh my lord Sawtanang, you must see Thai in everything don't you! Are you just trolling because this remark is really stupid. In cas e you haven't figured it out; red, white and blue happen to be the colors of the AMERICAN FLAG and most of those belts are USKBA belts with American flags and outlines of the US on them... Where do you think you see a Thai flag?

I thought that abit strange to say Sawtanang but I relooking at them that is exactly the Thai flag.

Doesn't mean its met to be a Thai flag and some of those guys hold MuayThai titles anyway.

Guys, are your brains rotting? Maybe in some of the pics the flag and stuff is not clear, but look at the very first pic and you can CLEARLY see an AMERICAN FLAG, in the shape of the continental US, the ribbons on the side are red, white and blue for the obvious reasons that those are the colors of the US flag. If you think these are somehow Thai flags, lord, you are really looking hard for something now. GEEEEZZZZZ

Here is the front emblem on those belts, larger so you can see clearly, but compare them and you'll see that it isn't a Thai flag on the belts either

mark l and sawtanang. i must agree with you guys, there is a thai flag on the shan shou or whatever belts they are. i don't blame if he doesn't know what thai flag looks like, but, well, anyways. :)

lkf, take a ddep gbreath...we are not talking about the American flag.

We are talking about the Thai flag, or the group of colors set in the exact order of the Thai flag. I was being nice in the last post saying its not nessasarily ment to be a Thai flag. So don't ask if my brains are rotting. But to look at it is a Thai flag.

If you don't know what you are looking for find out what a Thai flag looks like if you do take a second look.

Every single picture has at it on at least one belt.

The red white and blue on the side (not the usa in the middle)is what the Thai flag looks like.

LOL , Thats funny considering the debates we've been having.

So they arent san shou belts? Ha Ha

The belts are USKBA belts, USKBA sanctions all four major forms of kickboxing (American, Leg Kick, Muay Thai and San Shou) and the belts' design isn't specific to the division. Myabe it is because you are Canadian, but red white and blue in teh US IS the American flag, no one would ever think of Red White and Blue being anything but the US colors. Honestly, you had to have been looking real hard to even imagine there is a Thai flag on those belts...

Peter Kaljevic is holding a WKA belt in his pic as well, maybe WKA purposely put a Thai flag on their belt, doubt it seriously, but I can speak with Authority that the red white and blue on USKBA belts are the US colors, UNITED STATES colors, AMERICAN FLAG colors, clear enough?

The titles the feature fighters hold on this up coming card are varied. Marvin Perry is a San Shou trained fighter and USA WKF National San SHou champ, but he also holds two titles in American above the waist kickboxing. Yousef, first guy, is USKBA SAN SHOU champion but fights Thai a lot because that is where the fights are around here, 4 Thai fights to 1 San Shou bout. Kaljevic probably has a title in every division in kickboxing, he just likes to fight, a great guy if anyone knows him. Vlad Mrinsky and Steve Berkolayko are both Muay Thai fighters trained by Borodin's Muay Thai gym with USKBA Muay Thai division belts.

I promote everything, give everybody a chance to fight. Most diverse cards you can find in Northeast, ask Tommy Bottone!!! ANd I like Muay Thai, just don't think it is better or superior, etc. ANd I know for a fact we didn't "steal" any Muay Thai...

They are Thai flags.



This is what tha USA flag looks like...


Now, it also could be North Korea



or Costa Rica

They are Thai flags.



This is what tha USA flag looks like...


Now, it also could be North Korea



or Costa Rica

Well clearly the UNITED STATES kickboxing Association (USKBA) is putting the North Korean and Costa Rican colors on it's belts, I mean that makes perfect sense

LOL

The colors are for many countries. The positioning and order of the colors are exactly thailands flag. I just find that funny. None of the others are like that.

So no, we don't have to look really hard to see a Thai flag cause it is exactly a Thai flag.

...wicked guys, what an eye for minutia !!!

Absolutely correct, they ALL have the Thai Flag colour sequence. Wow I'm impressed.

...and not a hint of white or blue in China's flag

i dont think i should say anything ??? but................... ermmmm haha ! nawwwww i wont !
a question mr:dross? do you have PHIL NURSE from new york u.s.a.+ /ENGLAND u.k. on your fights?? he has many up and coming fighters ! KNOW him ?? work with him ? etc: ? cheers sandy man holt. u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

HA HA ! GOOD PIC: wasnt asking for yours ? ( joke lol ! haha ! :) ) but please can you answer the above please ! thankyou, cheers ! sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

Nah .. that's not him. Looks more like Andras with that beard

Good one ikfmdc

LOL

..back to normal I hope

you? normal? ha!

I don't need the ':P' with Chiang :)

What!! what!! Here I am being a tidy little kiwi and ya slagging me off for cleaning up the dross 'cause someone left the centering on ...

:)

To Master Sandy,
Just to let you know, Mr. Phil Nurse has several fighters fighting at the IKF/RINGSIDE USA National Amateur tournament in Kansas City on September 7th, 8th and 9th.
From New York, here are the fighters willing to "Walk The Walk" to be the Best Amateurs in the USA;
Greg Ardon trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Michael Reno trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Joe Sampieri trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Chris Ascari trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Sean Seagrave trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Kimberly Tomes trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
Rebecca Natt trained by Mr. Phil Nurse
(James Wellington trained by Mr. Phil Nurse was going, but was injured this week in training)
Also from New Your;
Max Lestage trained by Kirk Robison

To see who else is "Walking The Walk" at this years event with over 250 USA Amateurs attending, please go to this page link;

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/USN01Finalist.htm

This is a great event made possibly by "MANY" Promoters, Trainers, Officials and of course, those fighters willing to go against THE BEST in the USA to win a TRUE National title instead of winning one from the guy across town like ALL of us organizations use to be guilty of in the past. Pay a sanctioning feee, get yourself a title, you all know the game... We're sure you know what we mean here. However, the IKF and Ringside have worked hard to change all that and if we want our sport to be taken seriously by those of the IOC, this is where the work starts.
This event is made possible as well by the Great Staff at Ringside.com. This event is GREAT because of these people, NOT because of a bunch of letters, (IKF, ABC etc...) so this is not an IKF plug here. We are proud to be a part of it, but it's because of all those involved that make it the Greatest Amateur Event in USA Kickboxing History. It's THEIR Event! Those involved...
Sure there are reasons many amateurs can't make it to this event due to expenses, work schedules, etc. etc. However, if they want to be known as the best, they will find a way to get there. If an amateur thinks he/she is or wants to be truly known as "The Best", they will be at this event... And if not... well, no need to comment...
In the end, we will crown 67 new USA Amateur National Champions with $185.00 Title Belts made of Real Leather and solid Brass.
We hope to see many of you there if not participating, at least to watch it all happen...

Is there a reason there is a blatant advertisement for the IKF national tournament in this thread? It has nothing to do with the topic, the champion fighters featured at the next NY Showdown event is the topic. Is has nothing to do with the question asked, which is whether Phil Nurse fighters compete in NY area events. So why post this advertisement here?

Want some crackers with that David...?
Funny how we didn't see it that way at all but you sure did....
We thought it was just some info for Sandy since he knows Phil.
Man, what's wrong with you here?
If this is an IKF attack, take it up with Steve personally, not us who are just providing info.
Sorry for typing on "YOUR" page...
Never thought this was a problem, which it never has been with anyone else.
But hey, your first again...

I currently don't have access to my email, the server is down, and thus I don't know if Steve Fossum has tried to email me and of course if he has any comments he'd like to share with me. So I'll just wait and see if he emails me before going on...

However, it is sort of strange that out of the blue you post your advertisement since the IKF never was mentioned here. Sandy never asked "are Phil Nurses guys fighting anywhere in the near future". He asked if I ever worked with Phil Nurse in MY events. Furtheremore, since my event is the SAME WEEKEND as your event it's a nifty coincidence you deided to plant your plug here.

I think the IKF post is fine. A bit off topic, but we all do that, right? :)

Advertising it is...so?

"nifty coincidence ....?"
As if we planned this "JUST" to upset your event...ya, thats what we all did...
I'm sure Steve won't have any need or desire to e-mail you let alone the time, but if you want, please feel free to send one to me... MTRep@IKFKickboxing.com

But instead of picking a fight with us David, maybe you could just answer Sandy instead..........

yeah,i liked seeing my name as well.

I don't imagine you planned your event for the same date, but once it turned out that way, who knows what you thought? I know someone from your organization was upset that at least one gym you were hoping would attend your national is attending New York Showdown 5. But we only need to go back and forth like this is you are looking for an argument. I thought that the last thing that Steve and I agreed upon was that considering the history, we'd just ignore each other and steer clear of each other. But you decided to plop your post here.

As for Sandy, after a few encounters with him I decided to ignore his posts. They are hard to read, he tosses around insults only to later say 'I was just joking' and despite having ignorance upon the topic in question (san shou) expressed some outrageous opinions. Who are you to tell me who I should answer and not answer?

Hmmmmm...
You wrote...
"I know someone from your organization was upset that at least one gym you were hoping would attend your national is attending New York Showdown 5."

Well David, this we can assure you isn't true at all. Just for laughs though, may we ask WHO claimed this and what gym your talking about? Heck, all the top amateurs will be in Kansas city so why would we worry who's on your show...?

And as far as your aggressive comment;
"Who are you to tell me who I should answer and not answer?"

I'm Batman....


ease up davie...

Time for an objective opinion.... first off - I am in no way, shape, or form affiliated with either the IKF or lkfmdc's san shou club. I think they're both guilty of occasionally taking their own interests and agendas and then trying to pass it off as fact. I mean I have no problem with self-advertising just don't try to sell it gospel (ie implying everthing else is inferior). Having said that, I would think that regardless of who your preferred sanctioning body is, if you practice any fighting style that involves punching and kicking (whether it be MT, FC, SS, combat TKD, or whatever else) I'd think this would be the perfect event for you. I believe you have to give credit where credit is due. Again, I'm not an IKF fan but there is no denying that these guys have really done a lot for ALL forms of kickboxing in the US. That whole "true national championship" thing is up for debate but what other event is going to bring so many top amatuers together. Even if you hate the IKF, why would you turn down a very good chance at multiple fight experience in just 1 weekend? IMHO every kickboxing gym with amatuer fighters should be at this. One of the reasons pro-boxing is successful is because it has golden glove champions who can showcase their skills in one big mega-tournament. I have to give the IKF high marks on this event and all it does to help the sport.

If you want to know who told me that the IKF tried to get them to "jump ship" feel free to email me, that way the person who told me this isn't put on the spot in a public forum...

So, let's examine a few of your statements, direct quotes from your own posts

"to win a TRUE National title instead of winning one from the guy across town"

"If an amateur thinks he/she is or wants to be truly known as "The Best", they will be at this event... And if not... well, no need to comment... "

Are you claiming that the winners of your event are the best fighters in the country in their division? Let's just be clear about what you are saying..

Say fighter A enters the IKF national event. EVERY fighter who steps in a ring demands and deserves respect. And winning the IKF national event makes them a very good fighter. But the BEST? What if fight B didn't enter? Fighter B may have their own reasons but they still might be the BEST. What if Fighter B has already beaten fighter A? What if fighter B has already beaten figher A TWICE? Is figher A, who has lost to fighter B TWICE, the best fighter because he won your event?

Your last post reads

"all the top amateurs will be in Kansas city so why would we worry who's on your show"

The "top" is a term you and Steve like to use a lot. But isn't the top guy the won who has won? See the above example of fighter A (who attends the IKF national) and figher B (who doesn't but has already beaten fighter A)

I have guys on my card that have already beaten guys attending your event. So if fighter X wins the IKF event but he's one of the guys I'm talking about I think it's more than fair to say that despite winning teh IKF event, he may not be the "top" guy....

You can keep this argument going if you want, the choice is YOURS. If you want to continue to claim that IKF is the be all and end all in titles and that your guys are better I'll be happy to continue arguing...

It's up to you

You may be many things, batman is not one of them

OK... Now you forced me to step into this whole slugfest with you and one of our web guys, so here goes...
David Ross accused the IKF of doing something as he wrote;

"If you want to know who told me that the IKF tried to get them to "jump ship" feel free to email me, that way the person who told me this isn't put on the spot in a public forum..."

Well David, since you brought it up in a public forum, I suggest you back up what you have to say... I'd really like to hear who we tried to "JUMP SHIP" as you say... What Ship? Who was it WE went after...?
Heck, maybe others would like to know as well.
Or did you lose that e-mail too......
So I say to you David Ross... "Bring It ON!"

oh and Batman is a little upset....lol...

upset yet
another a/x er ! and unable to
answer my question

Steve, if you are batman then Mr D. Ross must be Robin your little friend...
Now why don't you boys kiss and make up :)

he he :) lol "not" Robin ! the "JOKER" is mr:dross

Sorry Matt.....
I'll stop the mud, but I'll need to pass on the kiss part...lol...

So are they Thai flags or not ?

hi col, hey thanks for the video ! i owe you ! .. hows the recovery ?? ref: mr:dross's answer ? i dont think he will give you one ! if he does ? he will slag you like me and the rest of us whom ask a "simple" question ?/ ( whatever you do dont ask about thai-shorts !!!)

mr I.K.F. ( thanks i dont have your name sorry ??? )
thanks for the answer, and re: PHIL NURSE etc: hey he has a lot of fighters on !
all i was asking mr:dross ? was ? does he have PHILS fighters on his show ? / shows ?
i still havent had an answer ?? ( as you say ! thanks ! , i thought it was just me ? )
ref: PHIL, do you know him ? see him ? i dont see much of him these days ! as he is a permanent resident in the u.s.a. new york !
he started at my gym ( Bolton-Thai-Boxing-Club ) and lived in BOLTON.
he was one of my top students and fighters and became an instructor under me and master sken ! ( my / our thai-master / arjarn !
please say hello to him if / when you see him please ! and thanks for replying to me ! even if mr : dross cant see the "sun" for the "rain" ! thanks sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

Colin....
All this mud slingin, punching, kicking, #$%&^@#$% and all, and the dust clears for a moment... And way in the back of the room, a small voice is heard saying...

"So are they Thai flags or not ?"

MAN! What a laugh... Everyone must agree... This gave us all a good laugh and was the ice breaker we all needed..........

LOL
LOL
LOL
LOUD!
That was a good one....!! Good job Colin...

But Sandy and I are still waiting..... lol...

Hi Sandy,
I'll see Sandy at our USA National Amateur Championships Sept. 7th, 8th & 9th.. Woops.. an ad... scratch all that... Forget you red it.
I'll tell him hello.

The USKBA belts pictured in the photos are belts that were used in the past. The USKBA makes no representation that the color scheme on the center ribbons denotes the Thai Flag. The center ribbons were actually two red, white, blue sequenced ribbons placed one on top (red, white, blue) and one on bottom (blue, white, red). Any similarities to the Thai Flag are purely coincidental. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. All rights reserved.

FYI...The new color schemes represent the title of the belt. For example, gold trim with gold ribbon denotes USKBA World Champion, green trim with green ribbon denotes USKBA International Champion, blue trim with blue ribbon denotes USA Champion, red ribbon denotes Local and Regional Champion (hopefully we won't get into trouble with the Chinese Flag). Theses new color schemes are for Full Contact Kickboxing, Leg Kicks, Muay Thai, San Shou and Grappling.

Sawtanang quite correctly identified that all the fighters posing with Belts, paid homage to the Art of Muay Thai by including a token flag/s of Thailand.

Each and every belt, without exception displayed in the correct sequence of colours, the Thailand flag

Red - White - Blue - White - Red

cheers bro ! what ad: ? what THAI FLAG ?? he he ! does he realise ?? yet ? ta sandy man holt ... well we have a saying in the U.K. ( you too i imagine ? )
it goes like this " give some one a piece of rope, and eventually ! they will HANG themselves with it " !
know what i mean ?
thanks sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
p.s. yep please say hello to top bloke PHIL
p.p.s sorry what is your name ? thanks !

Yousef Taghizadeh (NYKK) in the very first picture not only displays the correct colour sequence BUT the Correct WIDTH ...

...for the BLUE, to make it without any doubt - a flag of Thailand

The very one with USKBA written all over it

Hi Sandy,
I'll say hello to Phil and his crew personally.
Steve Fossum.
Oh and Paul, thanks for clearing the flag thing up, some nice belts by the way.

wheres the chinese ninja ? when you need him ? or is it robin ? or is it ? JOKER
or is it mr:dross, realname ! ? "dont" i repeat "dont" ask about THAI-SHORTS ! he will swear at you that they dont wear them and oh yeah anklets / ankle supports ! and hand bandages ! he will say " that boxers invented them ! and that muay-thai copied them too ?? ha ha what a laugh ! oh and muay-thai copied boxers "TRUNKS" ??? and BOXING punches ?? h.e.l.l.o.!
what are TRUNKS MR DROSS correct your english as trunks in english are used as / for swimming in ! as they are known as `swimming trunks` ! thais have NEVER called them trunks ? ! neither have we ! get your English in order again please ! i thankyou, sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

Thanks Steve. Good luck with your event.

First and foremost, Phil Nurse is a very nice man, a wonderful fighter and a great trainer and there should be no reason to drag him into a mud slinging contest. For the record, I think it is accurate to say that Phil Nurse's fighters mostly fight on Lou Neglia's events. You will not find them on many other promoters show. I don't know why that is, won't even speculate. It's a question best asked of Phil. He's been invited to put fighters on many shows, since he is a great guy and he has great fighters. In addition to my show, Tommy Bee Bottone has asked him to put on his fighters, so have USKBA promoters Michelle Conhaim (sp?) and Tony Ventura. It MAY, again MAY, I specualate, don't claim to know, may have to do with the fact that USKBA shows, like IKF shows as a matter of fact, require amateurs to wear shin guards and head gear and I have never seen Phil Nurse's fighters fight that way. I suppose since they are now fighting at the IKF national, they are going to give it a try. Correct me if I am wrong Mr Fossum but the IKF national still requires shin pads and head gear for this event?

The reason this was not addressed before was simple, I had decided to ignore Sandy's posts for the reasons cited above. My perogotive

RE the "jumping ship", I was told by a NY based Full Contact trainer who is listed on the IKF site (that limits the list considerably, maybe we should leave it at that) that he was contacted by Steve Fossum directly and told that the IKF national was the premier martial arts event and that it was more important to attend that then the NY Showdown. Based upon this, the trainer wanted assurances that his guys had been matched so that he could in his own words "justify to his fighters not jumping ship" after the IKF had contact them as well. If you want more than that Mr Fossum, I'll gladly share with you the exact WHO... assuming I ever get email service back. I'll be happy to discuss it with you in depth.

But again Steve, I thought we had agreed to not agree and to go our merry ways, your internet friend here is stirring the pot with his comments. Frankly, he can be as upset as he wants, because I am more than ready to debate any issue he wants to bring up

Thanks Sandy for posting a classic example of the sort of post that convinces me not to answer you

ha ha ! define ignorance ? `you just did` ! your ignoring them by reading them ? but you and i know what iam saying ? your messing with too many people ! and as ive written ! "give someone a peice of rope and sooner or later they will hang themselves"
soon, soon, my antagonistic friend ! try reading all the topics / posts on A/X that now have in some way your name and point of veiw on ! you will see its not just me ! that finds you as you have admitted to ? "ignorant" as you choose to ignore my posts ??? mmmm so how many more that your losing to ? will you `ignore`? "if truth hurts" ? it must ! as your being very silly mr:dross ! read the posts asking you about the thai-flags ?? ( and i havent really bothered to go into that debate !) no need as you are feeding yourself with the afore mentioned "ROPE" !!!!!
the reason i was asking you if you knew PHIL NURSE ? was that his demeanour is represented by the way we are over `here` in the MUAY-THAI circles ! we have been trained WELL and PHIL was trained by `me` and my master sken kaewpadung from thailand !
PHIL spent his first 10 years with me ! @ the `18` years established Bolton-Thai-Boxing-Club ! which i run / own.
he was / `is` a top class fighter! and won `2` British and the European thai-boxing titles whilst with me ! and then became a fully qualified Instructor ! He then left to set himself up in the U.S.A new york ! in a very hard and tough few parts too ! he worked very hard to get where he is today ! plus as you and anyone who knows him ? he is a very nice gentleman, great personality ! and has a top class reputation !
THE POINT im making is he and are are alike and PHIL was one of my best friends while in the u.k. we socialised too, outside of thai-boxing ! so you now might get a picture of what we / im like !? i dont `choose` to be nasty ! but you have a great way of bringing out the WORST in me ! ? ! please dont keep testing me with `your` IGNORANCE. Try answering the questions asked ? if not by me ?? then by ALL the A/Xers on here that keep asking you things !? like i say ! i have you sussed !!
sandy holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

As I stated earlier in this thread, I had no email service at all for several hours. My server just kicked back on and I received two emails directly for Steve Fossum. For the sake of sanity and in the name of the sport in general please let's see what he thinks of what I explained to him and not continue to argue here for now at least. I won't post more in response and hopefully Mr Fossum's associate will do likewise.

However, as the question was raised and could bring someone totally innocent into a mess they are completely, TOTALLY innocent of, the person that I spoke to RE this mess was NOT, repeat NOT Keith Nesbitt. There has been some sort of musunderstanding RE this but again, I do NOT want the grief to spread to innocent parties. If Steve and I argue, heck, that's life, let's keep the civilians out of it...

David,
I don't know if you're simply full of it or someone has fed you quite the line!!
"Put up or shut up" with this crap about the "Mystery person!" If you have a name, TYPE IT OUT!

I'd truly like to know who your NY based Full Contact trainer is David?? Or does he/she really exist as you claim he did?
You say our site "limits the list considerably, maybe we should leave it at that" No David, "Bring It On!" Why don't you add to that so we don't have to "Read between the lines of David Ross!"

Whoever you're claiming that told you "I" contacted them directly and told them that;

"the IKF national was the premier martial arts event and that it was more important to attend that then the NY Showdown"

well this person must be on "CRACK!" Although it "IS" going to be a GREAT event, I've NEVER used the words "premier martial arts event" ever, and more so, I never implied ANYTHING of you event! Why would I? Are we back to the same crap about you claiming again that "Everyone is out to get David Ross" as you said was the case at some Atlanta event months ago...?
come on David, wake up! WHY would I need to do this?
I've spoke with "1" New York group other than Phil Nurse's group. Who? No mystery here, Keith Nesbitt. Do I or we or did we EVER have a problem with Keith? Never David! That is, unless you invented one. did you? I'd like to hear Keith's side to all this...
I'm sure Keith never told you this because Keith contacted us here at the IKF first. Now if you feel Keith has made something up, I'll be glad to share the only 2 e-mails Keith sent us here at the IKF and our 1 reply to him. NEVER did a conversation happen as you claim so stop trying to cause waives with us and Keith!

NO ONE in the IKF uses the terms "jumping ship" David! Learn something here, "NO organization owns ANY fighter so WHY would they be jumping ANY ship???
Now that we all have read your so called "Secret News" David there's nothing to hide now is there...
If you choose to continue your childish comments and acusations I suggest you don't lose your e-mails so quickly... We have ALL of ours and have no problem sharing them.

It's your choice David, but we won't go away if you keep making up stories like this one........

Too bad Steve, I honestly thought you'd wait for my email before posting something inflamatory here to make the situation worse....

Simply put

1) If you read the email, you will have your answer and can act however you wish. I was VERY CLEAR via email

2) As I think I just clearly stated here, the person in question is NOT, repeat NOT, Keith Nesbitt. I explained to you in my email that while I know who he is and he's a friend of a freind, I have never actually worked with him. He shouldn't even be brought up here because he has NOTHING to do with this, PERIOD

David,
I don't know if you're simply full of it or someone has fed you quite the line!!
"Put up or shut up" with this crap about the "Mystery person!" If you have a name, TYPE IT OUT!

I'd truly like to know who your NY based Full Contact trainer is David?? Or does he/she really exist as you claim he did?
You say our site "limits the list considerably, maybe we should leave it at that" No David, "Bring It On!" Why don't you add to that so we don't have to "Read between the lines of David Ross!"

Whoever you're claiming that told you "I" contacted them directly and told them that;

"the IKF national was the premier martial arts event and that it was more important to attend that then the NY Showdown"

well this person must be on "CRACK!" Although it "IS" going to be a GREAT event, I've NEVER used the words "premier martial arts event" ever, and more so, I never implied ANYTHING of you event! Why would I? Are we back to the same crap about you claiming again that "Everyone is out to get David Ross" as you said was the case at some Atlanta event months ago...?
come on David, wake up! WHY would I need to do this?
I've spoke with "1" New York group other than Phil Nurse's group. Who? No mystery here, Keith Nesbitt. Do I or we or did we EVER have a problem with Keith? Never David! That is, unless you invented one. did you? I'd like to hear Keith's side to all this...
I'm sure Keith never told you this because Keith contacted us here at the IKF first. Now if you feel Keith has made something up, I'll be glad to share the only 2 e-mails Keith sent us here at the IKF and our 1 reply to him. NEVER did a conversation happen as you claim so stop trying to cause waives with us and Keith!

NO ONE in the IKF uses the terms "jumping ship" David! Learn something here, "NO organization owns ANY fighter so WHY would they be jumping ANY ship???
Now that we all have read your so called "Secret News" David there's nothing to hide now is there...
If you choose to continue your childish comments and acusations I suggest you don't lose your e-mails so quickly... We have ALL of ours and have no problem sharing them.

It's your choice David, but we won't go away if you keep making up stories like this one........

fun fun fun :)

Too bad Steve, I honestly thought you'd wait for my email before posting something inflamatory here to make the situation worse....

Simply put

1) If you read the email, you will have your answer and can act however you wish. I was VERY CLEAR via email

2) As I think I just clearly stated here, the person in question is NOT, repeat NOT, Keith Nesbitt. I explained to you in my email that while I know who he is and he's a friend of a freind, I have never actually worked with him. He shouldn't even be brought up here because he has NOTHING to do with this, PERIOD

Well, Steve Fossum and I just exchanged what I consider productive emails. I think it is a good thing, hopefully the issue is settled to both sides' satisfaction

Too bad for those cheering fans looking for a big fight :)

I agree David,
Our e-mails solved a lot of issues. As everyone knows, sometimes there's a little storm before the sunshine. Good to see we could work on the issues for the bigger picture... The betterment of the sport all around.
Goodnight everyone.....

FuN-FuN-FuN

Sanshou fighters with Thai flag on there belt

YoU MaKe Ah FuNny he- he- he















That shows to prove how un-organize Sanshou is supposed
to be a Chinese art but have THE THAI FLAG on there belts.........