European Boxing Federation

Hi guys, as we all see more and more shows are now a mixture of Kickboxing and Boxing, which every one is fobbing of as
WHITE COLLAR or UNLICENCED

European Boxing Federation (EBF) is an organisation that has found middle ground in the boxing world and is very established. i have witnessed its growth over the last 10 years my self.

white collar boxing is this, business men having ago for charity, wearing headgear 16oz gloves and red or blue vest and shorts.

so if your not a business man or woman raising money for charity and not in head gear, 16oz and red or blue attire... then your not doing WHITE COLLAR you are fighting UNLICENSED!!!!

hopefully i may have cleared up some confusion there as cleary many do not not have a clue, EBF is a mixture of UNLICENSED-PRO-ABA. Boxing is a vast sport across the UK alone.

in the last 12 months i have been around and boxed in front of, RICKY HATTON, TIM WITHERSPOON, MIKE TYSON,AMIR KHAN, JANE COUCH, JOE CALZAGE, SUGAR RAY LEONARD and god knows who else, the links are all there through EBF for charity nights, sportamns dinners and events around boxing.

SO FOR ALL PROMOTORS IN THE UK

if you are doing a show a mixing it with what you seem to think is a legal form of boxing you are not! unless you actually have the lonsdale white collar. if you are having boxing mixed in your shows and want to covered then here is your chance.

i am a representative for the EBF WHO CARRY 100'S OF BOXERS AND PROMOTERS, as i have links to the Full Contact world i have brought this to their attention and they are willing to open there doors through me.

here is an insight into the pro boxing world
pro license and medicals last time i checked �£1500 for years
basic purse �£500-�£1500 minus
manager fee
trainer 1 fee
trainer 2 fee
cut man if needed
roughly 50% of purse give or take

the way EBF works all fighters are paid between �£100-�£350 basic dependant on class and opponent, each coach/camp is paid �£50 for each fighter supplied so if a coach brings 4 fighters he would get paid �£200 and say if they fouhgt too could get �£550 or so.

but thats how we work, if anyone is interested in putting on A FULL BOXING SHOW WITH EBF
�£500 sanction fee includes EBF
referee
judges
time keeper
but all fighters must subscribe to the licencing policy of �£12.50 a month �£140 for year which can be cancelled at any time

MIXED FC/THAI & BOXING SHOW
SANCTION FEE �£1000 INCLUDES EBF
REFEREE
JUDGES
TIME KEEPER
MC
MEDICS
EVENT INSURANCE FOR MARTIAL ARTS
but all BOXERS must subscribe to the licencing policy of �£12.50 a month �£140 for year which can be cancelled at any time

EBF titles are also available, with strong links well established with the UCC ultimate Cage Championship and as now opened its doors to the FC and Thai comunity.

your thoughts are welcome if any one interested in working with us we are happy to work alongside any other org.

regards

Jon

Slow down a bit Jon.

Right, unlicenced boxing is not illegal. Its just not licenced by the BBBC, which niether is white collar so its all unlicenced!

Its no more illegal than kickboxing and to be honest, its a lot safer on most KB shows I go to due to the correct medical people in attendance, and the protocols that go with them.

The show I was at Sunday was as safe for boxers as I have seen.

The only thing we as an industry dont do is have medicals for fighters. Thats the only difference. Its also harder to match unlicenced as the records get blurry. I know guys who fight ABA and EBF and just dont declare to either side.

I can vouch for that. I know lads who have fought for both and they don't declare to the other on what fights they have had. Therefore what seems an even match, is not, which impacts the safety of the fighters involved.

Safety really has to be paramount in which case you should only work with a Promotor you trust or has a good reputation, as they are responsible for fair and safe match making in my opinion

if dragonfoot can survive 30 fights it cant be that bad lol the ebf is great iv been taking fighters every weekend around britain for the past year and its been a pleasure to be part of the ebf .my last 3 shows have been ebf and they was very successful . EBF

the EBF is going to be a licenced governing body in january .

markgibs and jimobob iv fought for most governing bodys in all styles and they all lied to me ie, weight ,experience,fairness,money .i can put my hand on my heart and tell you the ebf never lied ,cheated,or robed me thats why after all these years i joined them . i rest my case .

ps my next ebf show is in december . boxing,kickboxing,mma

Bridie, Hi.

If you read the post again, it is not a critisism, just facts. I doubt the EBF will be recognised by the BBBC, but you never know.

It sits in the same place as kickboxing/Muay Thai.

yes with a little licence book and our pic inside it lol.the ebf are just trying to ditch the name unlicenced boxing ,i no people say there is no such thing as semi pro,but at the end of the day we fight, pro fighters ,x pro fighters ,aba,and get paid for it,the only thing that is differant is we dont have a book with our pic inside it.iv got some great talented boxers and i just want rid of the word unlicenced boxing because most people have a bad oppinion of it and only see the bad side of it .i no from experiance this happens in every style of fighting .i was willing to just jump in the ring with anybody and every body and took fights at the last min, never once did a promoter or governing body turn round and say to me this is bad and not pro like of you.iv had every trick in the book played on me in all the styles iv fought in .pro boxing is the same ,fighters get used and abused and tossed a side,it happens everywhere not just the ebf it happens in the whole of the fighting sport and it always will . its down to the trainers and managers to protect the fighters.the reson dragonfoot and me can tough it out in the ebf is because we learnt the hard way in the so called pro side of fighting. now i feel like donking instead of the poor fuker in the blue corner lol, only i tell my fighters the truth so they dont get there heart ripped out ,im part of the ebf and i sugar coat nothing .

sorry mark im not getting at you lol you just gave me the chance to speak my mind. next time i promis to put spaces between my lines . i dint intend typing so much i got carried away .

there is a lot of kick boxers,thai fighters ,k1 fighters, mma fighters working with the ebf and putting mix style shows on and they are working out great .

its like john said work with the people you trust .

mark i read it again oops im sorry :-0 are you still my friend .x

Yes of course. ;-)

Simply put, boxing is all unlicenced unless it is recognised by the BBBC (licenced by the BBBC).

Its not illegal to put on a show as long as all the usual insurance, medical, safety stuff is in place.

EFB, White Collar, anything else is all classed as unlicenced. Whatever they call it. The only way to lose this tag is go through the BBBC, get them to come out assess your fighters, certify them as pro's, get the medical and fight on BBBC sanctioned shows

i wish that would be the best way for my fighters but i dont think turning them pro will be good for them.iv looked into it and its like starting all over again .my best boxers dont sell a great amount of tickets they do about 30 each ,when its pro boxing you need to be selling 150 mark and i no my fighters cant do that many .iv got a lad who is great im real proud of him ,he as fought some really good boxers and progressed beyond belif .every body as tried to poach him but not for his own good .i feel he would be used and abused . my lad as had 30 boxing bouts and more than proved his fighting skills .i took him to a fight in liverpool ,ricky hatton was there and he walked through a crowed of people to shake shauns hand after he got out of the ring .iv built shaun up through the ebf and its been great .my lad as fought some hard fights and he is still as gourgous as ever not a mark on him .he is fighting for a title on my next show .ebf this is the only way i can make sure he gets wot he as been fighting for {his best fight to date with his match ] its a 50-50 fight with two dam good fighters .

shaun as had more than his fair share of fights in fc ,cage ,and boxing probably talking 50 fights not to mention his point fighting fights .i cant turn him pro for him to start at the bottom ,if he was a good ticket seller i would hand him over to the pro,s .

do you think im doing the right thing ?

Yes.

If its the right thing for the fighter. If he is happy doing it and earning some money then good.

You never know where the EBF will end up, they might get so big that they cant be ignored and he will make it that way. If he is still young then why not try to make some links with pro boxing and see what happens. Might be 1 step back to take 2 forwards.

Like I said though you know the lad and if he is happy then all's well but you have a responsibility to do whats best for him to. Have a think.

And about the EBF, theres nothing wrong with them, they fill a gap in the market and sit in the same place that kickboxing does which is why its popular with kickboxers.

thanx mark,my lad wants to do k1,fc,low kick aswell so i think the ebf is best for him now .i asked him about pro and hes not botherd just yet .yes the ebf is big i have been taking fighters every weekend all over britian , i had a team of 8 fighters all doing great and making money .

the thing is though with the ebf you need a team behind you ,if you have a team you are strong and more incontrol ,i would not like to just have a couple of fighters as it would not be worth it because of the long distance traveling .

Dragonfoot: You paint a very different picture to the EBF shows that i have been to. Knowing a lot of EBF fighters in my area, and having been to shows around the region (approx 12 in total) i can confirm that you have definitely missed out the following:

No weigh-ins
Told who you are fighting on the night (in a lot of situations)
Told to take dives/carry the fighter then go down in last, etc
Spencer threatening to ban fighters for fighting on other promotions (happened on my show with two of my close friends being threatened this way if they fought for me ON A CHARITY DO FOR THE CHILDRENS HEART UNIT FUND!!!

Also, tickets up here are £30 a pop of which the fighters get £10 per ticket sale, no purse, only away boxers get purses and are mostly expected to go down.


The picture that you have painted regarding the EBF is false in my eyes. No doubt they do put on good shows and have some good fights, but a lot of it is a not how you describe (well not here anyway).

ps
Because of the above i know go through Pete Jackson's BBU, or Murry's British Masters Boxing, both very well organised and great people to work with.

actionpromos you have only been to 12 ebf shows iv been to hundreds of them ,iv been working with the ebf for as long as i have been kickboxing pro . i met spencer 8 years ago he was the first man to tell me the truth about my opponent ,yes she was bigger than me but at least i new that on the way to the fight and it was my choice to take the fight or not ,point is he gave me the choice.

about the wieghing in ,you say we dont get weighed in ,well my fighters have always been weighed in on the night of there fights
so i dont no where you are getting your information from .

1 year ago i fully joined the ebf and took all my fighters onto the ebf circut .all the 8 fighters have got 30 boxing bouts under there belt and still look pretty as ever .these 8 fighters were novice never fought before .if the ebf is such a dangerous org then how did my pure novice fighter servive .


the 8 fighters are no longer novices they are great boxers ,lads who im so proud of. lads that i call real champions .and guess wot they have no title belts yet . so imagen wot fight they will bring to the ring when they do fight for a belt.

also actionpromos ,as far as a journy man goes ,they are good people they stop fighters from been miss matched wich we have all seen happen in every fighting sport .the pro boxing have always used journy men ,even ricky hatton has fought some journy men ,he fought one after floyed knocked him out .


we need the journy men in our sport .wich would you rather see a novice non ticket seller against a lad who has had 10 fights and sold 60 tickets getting a easy win or the ticket seller against a journy man who can bring out the best fight in him and not letting him have the win so easy.

at the end of the day all orgs lie ,cheat, and rip fighters hearts out .i no this from experiance in all of the orgs in all of the styles of fighting .dont just point the finger at the ebf cos infact they are the more truthfull org i have ever worked with in all these years of fighting.

all the orgs iv worked with in my fighting days have used me as a journy woman but never told me the real facts and led me to believe a fauls pro fighting game .

like dragonfoot said in the post above work with the people you trust .

we dont lie to our fighters and we dont lie to the fighters we fight ,all we want is a fair fight with a fair dessision .

our fighters dont hand pic there fights they are willing to fight who is in front of them if we dont win we dont win we except the loss and and go back to the gym and work on it .

the 10 pound ticket deal ,is it or is it not a good deal ,who els pays 10 pound per ticket to there fightes ,not many . and yes the away fighters get a wage and why not its harder for them to sell tickets when they fight on away shows .

if you point the finger at me i will point it right back ,cos i can .

Well i'm pleased your experience with them has been good, that's great for you. Maybe things are a little different your end, up here i know first hand as i have several close friends that box on their shows, and have also boxed on mine in the past, and i can assure that what i've said is correct. I also work with a few match-makers/coaches that have cut ties with them due to dodgy goings on - believe me, some fighters are told on the night that they have to lose in x round, it happens a lot!!!

Now, i don't know this Spencer but from what i hear a lot of people fall out with him. I'm not going to make personal remarks about him as i've never met him, but 2 boxers were told that if anyone boxes on Pete Jackson's organisation's shows then they're barred from the EBF. Now Pete Jackson was gonna help me out by sending a good fighter my way, which Spencer thought was his show (it was actually my show) and that's when he made the threats. Don't believe me? Tough, not bothered if you do or don't.

Also i never mentioned anything about journeymen - all i said was that the purse structure here works differently; it's a tenner from each ticket sold, and the only ones that get a purse are the away fighters who travel up. I've got nothing against journeymen - i think you've misconstrued my comment when i said most away fighters come to get beat - what i mean is that a lot of them are told to get beat.

Action Promos, i can only speak of my experiences... i can only the paint the picture in front of me with the materials i have,

i have fought over 30 fights for EBF from bristol to newcastle, all the times i have been very well looked after, some fights i have fought absolute novices to ex pro's

now im no hero i dont class myself as a boxer, i am a kickboxer who can and is happy to box, i do it purely for the money to which is quite nice

me personally im no bully i have nothing to gain by going and sparking out a total novice, all my fights are purely last minute, due to pull outs which happen so hence why i dont know who i am fighting until the day, and thats how i like it, but majority of times we have sufficient notice

all above i have stated about the ebf is true, all boxing is linked to some extent, point blank if it aint BBC OR ABA, it isnt official in amyones eyes and fair comment, the shite we have in kickboxing is too many orgs.

as for weigh ins this is the promoters or officials responsibilty if they dont do it its there perogitive, hence work with who you trust, alls shows no matter who or what style depend upon ticket sales, so if a fighter pulls out there may be a weight difference to which all parties have the option of pulling out but in oreder not to let supporters down fights may happen when weights are not ideal, again work with who you trust

journey men in BBC are as riffe as anywhere ans you are a fool if dont realise it, the fact there are journey men in the EBF does not make them villains, its business its all about sales generally keep the ticket seller winning with some challenges and hurdles along the way

i may be the only one who will openly say it but thats the core of successful shows, match make accordingly to do so

again work with who you trust i have no idea who you are, you may know who i am you may or may not trust me to be fair im straight to the point

billy no mates could be the best thing since sliced bread but if he aint putting bums on seats he aint got no prospects, as prospect cost money and sales bring in the money, or should all promotors remortgae their homes to give none ticket sellers an opportunity, in some bizarre world that may be odeal. but in the real world gotta pay your way in this sport!

Bridie - Sounds like you are referring people that take dives as journeymen. No, no, to me that's not what a journeyman is. Journeymen expect to be beaten by a superior fighter and know they are going to be outclassed. Divers on the other hand is blatant out and out robbery- the people that fund these shows, the paying public, they're the ones being conned.

No Bridie, i've no idea who you are, i am only very small time in the area, i do promoting because i enjoy making a few quid from organising something i've always enjoyed; boxing and (mainly) kickboxing.

Maybe it is down to the promoter, but if a federation is going to be charging license and sanction fees then it should be down to them to sort the shit out... Seems what we have here is totally different standards in separate parts of the Country, a sanctioning body would enforce a blanket policy for all shows. Well, a proper sanctionig body would, not just a money-making one.

fuck me, you cant polish a turd! SO SOME ONE WHO KNOWS they are out classed are they bollocks, a journey more often than not is way more exprerienced aqnd could at most times drop the so called higher classed, open your fucking EYES!

funniest thing iv ever heard that!

Open my eyes!!! Ha - to be honest journeymen don't interest me, i simply see them as experienced fighters who just take any fight on offer for the cash and mostly expect to be beat. Besides, you're the one that brought journeymen up in the first place. I'm not particularly bothered what your definition is, i have nothing to do with these types of people. Neither do i have anything to do with people that deliberately take dives - something that happens in the EBF a lot, and we both know it does. I'm not denying it doesn't go on on other promotions, but i personally am disgusted by this, whether you agree or not, up to you.

Ok so you've told me you're involved in this organisation and i can understand you sticking up for it, and yes, maybe they're the dogs bollocks down your way, but at the risk of repeating myself, i don't like what i've heard and seen at their shows, and i do indeed think it's very dangerous putting a light middleweight in with a cruisrweight is dangerous regardless of experience and notice time.

lol me too .a journy man is a dangerous fighter ,they are more experianced in most of there fights they do ,but yes often some
of the times they are faced with tough tough fighters and there experiance will carry them to safty .

lets tell you wot a journy mans job is !! they fight for a living ,they are good at there job ,they have to be or they wont make enough money to live .

a journy mans job is to not get hurt and a good one will not get hurt after all they are fighting week in week out.

one more thing i belive in journy men i think they make great champions when they decide they want to win they win . no judge will judge them ,they only judge them selfs .

i do belive you no shit about boxing ,lol only kidding have you seen the money mayweather its funny as hell .

most journy men can knock there opponents out any time they want ,so please dont ever think they are there to be just a punch bag cos you are so so wrong .a lot of ex pro turn to journy man work ,its how they stay in the sport they love so much .ps fighters who have hand pic there own fights in the past dont belong on the ebf ,after all we can find then kind of fighters anywere .

Each to their own, I only put this thread up, as s colleague asked how I incorporated the 2 worlds.

So I thought if one asks they may be others who would like info

So by all means feel free to plug the players you work with, every one has there opinions

The reasons fighters were banned from other shows, is purely down the volume of work they are receiving it's at least courteous to keep yourself available, but human nature always wants more!

one of my fighters as been brought up as a journy man through all of his boxing bouts ,my fighter is now a dangerous fighter ready to go for the kill ,not with a novice fighter but i fighter with the same class and the same upbrining as each other ,both lads are top class . this will be a 50-50 fight and wot a fight it will be .this is who the real champions are ,lots of fights under there belts and hard fights they have had the pair of them . when i creat a champ now they are real champs with a fight in them that should not be missed by the public .

after all you did bring the public into it . they will be getting a top class fight .

again the ebf are producing top class fighters along the way ,real champions who have already fought there hearts out to become a champion .

you say journy men dont intrest you well they should they are top class fighters. dangerous fighters .

Dragonfoot: No, 2 fighters were threatened with being banned out of spite - it was presumed that as Pete Jackson had on his facebook that he was sending a fighter to my show that it was his show, when it wasn't. Apparently there's disagreement between the two (spencer and jackson, don't know what about, dont care) and my fighters were told they couldn't participate. This was a f'ing charity do for the Freeman Hospital Childrens Heart Unit Fund. To me, anybody that does that shit is not worth the shit on my shoe.

Bridie: I do believe you meant that i don't know shit about boxing, but that's your opintion. Fact is- i matchmake to make bouts competitive and i try to have fighters on stand-by. My next show is 30th October in Newcastle against lads from Scotland and Manchester, all evenly matched, no journeymen, mismatches, no divers, no pre-agreed winners/losers, just a good old tear up.

ps you say maybe things are are diffeant up our way ,no the ebf are every where they are bigger than wot you think . i no now you are attending a ebf show in newcasle ,the one with jnr jones ,they might not be no fighting on that show but who do you think brought him over !!!!! the ebf thats who as brought him over ,thats who is behined that one .and i no that because the ebf have just got the contract for his memrabillia ,i make the shorts for the memrabillia and jnr sighns them befor they go in the picture frame along with a picture of him self sighning them .

Bridie, it's not a pissing contest. Yeah great the EBF brought Roy Jones Jnr over, and? What's that got to do with what i've previously mentioned... I have reasons for what i have stated above - two good friends unable to help out a mate trying to raise funds for sick kids activities being one. Another, having attended AS A BOXING FAN ebf events to support my mates, paying £30 a go, then watching badly outclassed fighters against each other, then on top of that having been told that a few fighters on the show were being instructed to 'go down in the second' i think is a blatant piss take.

Just thought, i haven't heard anyone dispute my claim that fights are fixed.

Just to clarify here - I am in no way stating that ALL ebf bouts up here are rigged, and that all are mismatches because that certainly is not the case, however, a lot are.

Just thought i'd state that as i don't like being negative all the time about something without stating positives, and those positives are: they know how to attract crowds, they know how to promote, and they put on a reasonable show, even though some bouts are iffy.

ok im sorry for saying you no shit about boxing ,i really was jokeing when i said that , i only said it because i cant stop watching it i find it so so funny ,please dont take offence by it .

but on the other hand you did come on the thred and say wot you said about the ebf ,i was just defending wot i belive in and proud to be a part of .

you no there is iffy stuff goes on in every show ,there always have been and they always will be .i joined the pro game a long time ago with my brother ,we ennded up 20 grand in debt trying to put on top class shows to please the public and to create good champions in our gym . it dint work cos we were playing fair and the other orgs played it bad .my brother got hurt in his pocket and i got my heart ripped out . my heart is back and this time its made of steel ,dragonfoot as made his money back and we are both back in buisness with top class fighters in our gym ,in all styles of fighting .


me and dragonfoot ,will not be tossed out again ,we no who the bad people are and we will be watching them .

i no its not a compatision between us as i believe you are no match for me ,i much prefer a tougher opponant :-0 ,only kidding im just trying to not make this personal between us and put a bit of humer in it .you no shit about boxing and i cant spell lol .

i wont take offence to you so please dont take offence to me .

i now why spencer and your mate fell out but i wont put it on ax its not our buissness ,and im sure there is 2 sides they always is .im on the ebf side and you are on the other .

i will be back on at 10 if you want to talk some more .its good we have this now on ax so lets use it to our advantage and keep talking .

Bridie:
I didn't take offence and rarely do unless it's from somebody that knows me and makes it personal... Pete Jackson is not my mate, he's a decent bloke and easy to speak with and work with, very genuine i feel, but not a mate. My show is sanctioned on this occasion by the British Masters Boxing Organisation, whom are also easy to work with (shit spellers also judging by their www), and again we agree that no fixed bouts are to take place on any of our shows. In fact as a business Action Promotions isn't interest in rigging bouts... Lastly, asides from the boxing i am also looking at other kickboxing shows, with a k1-style event planned for Feb, which will be sanctioned, so to be associated with shady dealings isn't in my interest at all.

well there is shady dealings every where and if you dont no it you should ,iv been around all these shows for years and never seen a show where the judges give the right dessision on every fight ,its funny how they say its wot they saw on the night ,but on dvd it looks a bit differant to wot they saw on the night .i no for a fact that in some shows and a lot of shows the judge will see wot they are told to see .

same goes for the refs .

im not saying every show this happens but i am saying most shows .at the end of the day you could have a room full of people watching the same fight but all the people will have a differant oppinion than each other has on the fight as to who won wot round .you cant stop differace of oppinions .

ok listen this is wot the ebf is about .spencer has gyms working for the ebf all around britian and lots of them .he has to trust that all the gyms are are giving him the right record on there fighters. when a fighter pulls out and the fight must go ahead ,he will do 1 or 2 things . [ a novice fight lets say ] he would phone a gym he can trust ,ie me or maybe some other trainer from a ebf gym he trusts , i can help him in 2 ways ,provide a novice for a fair fight or bring a fighter i can trust from my gym to let the fight go ahead . my fighters dont bully ,they help up and coming fighters . but please belive me when i tell you this ,my fighters want to win and they train hard very hard like pro fighters and good ones might i add ,as iv said im very proud of them for wot fighters they have become .
the ebf as never asked any of my fighters to go down on one knee ,we dont do that ,we will only help up and coming fighters not the ones that want a easy ride .i hope im clear on that . i joined the ebf because i believe in them .

We're going around in circles, i'm aware of how things work, and it's great that from your perspective that the ebf is all very professional, etc, however, from what i know at my end it's the opposit. One of my mates who is a very experienced boxer, is what you would call a journeyman, basically any time, anywhere, anybody, he's given up 2.5 stones and still fought. However, a number of occasions he has been told to take a dive, or to carry a fighter the distance, which he does because he only cares about the cash. He makes between £300-400 for each away fight on ebf shows (or did, he keeps retiring). Another of my mates refuses to take dives and ends up losing on points (happened twice at big shows) via dodgy decisions! Anyway, you've got my point, i'm not gonna keep going on, but i can't see this organisation becoming anything other than a shady promotion. My opinion only.

ok i hear wot you say ,but my lads have never been asked to dive ,my fighters train hard they are good .young shaun as always gon the distance and he as won some lost some and drawn some ,thats how it goes ,he as also took last min fights and help a show go ahead ,hes a good lad . he will be fighting for a ebf title in december on my show ,his first boxing belt with a record of 30 fights ,won some lost some and drawn some . thats a true champions record a fighters record .

i dont no about your friends buisness ,i just no my fighters dont do that ,they want to be great and are willing to fight for it .


iv got my 2nd team of novices coming through and i will raise them the same .we are called war dogs because we are willing to fight and earn our titles with a great fight record proving we earnt it .

about your friend ,he is a ex pro ,well if he is happy with wot he is doing good on him ,some ex pros find it hard to just stop fighting ,i no how it feels ,i felt like i was going through a divorce ,it was heart breaking the only way i got through it was to put my fight in my fighters and make them greater than i could have been . thats why your friend keeps coming back into the ring because its hard to just stop ,if he dont get hurt and he can earn money out of it then good on him i say .because i under stand how hard it is to just stop.