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nobody
Posted: 2001-11-06 21:41:05
Any photo galleries ? Any one know of any good photo galleries of Muay Thai in thailand ? Or any kick ass fight galleries.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-07 02:59:27
Not Thailand,
but lots from Melbourne.

www.pcavka.com
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 06:04:11

Pictures like this one??
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-07 08:55:47
wow,
that's a brilliant shot.
Gee, imagine it with the other foot so we could have seen the expression on his face.
Good stuff.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 09:19:31
I am glad that you like the photo. Whant more ??????
nobody
Posted: 2001-11-07 09:29:06
Yes please !!!
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-07 09:36:13
Shit, that must have been a massive kick to have vaporised the sweat like that. Usually in pics you see sweat in much larger beads.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-07 09:42:05

This is Mark Hunt right Vs Neilson Taione
Chris Gilkay
Posted: 2001-11-07 10:55:22
Who are the guys in the kick pic?
PJ Reilly
Posted: 2001-11-07 11:14:34
I think it's Musashi vs. Braga in the K1
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-07 11:55:06
Imagine that kick with some extention and the shin landing.....OUCH!
david lucas
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:06:19
there was a great fight between perry ubeda and stan nigema a couple of years
ago that has been aired on espn2 a few times. at one point ubeda kicked
nigema in the head and there was an incredible amount of sweat flying off of
nigema's head on impact. they showed a slow motion replay of the hit and
it was pretty impressive! i think some people with ringside seats got soaked ;)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:13:46
PJ Reilly:

It is Musashi Vs Braga!

Great job PJ.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:50:47

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:51:11

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:52:17

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:53:03

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:54:22

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-07 13:57:15

SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-07 20:48:51
great stuff ! keep em coming A/Xers ! ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-07 23:52:45

This is from the farely recent Gurkan Ozkan Vs Daniel Tai World title fight (think it was ISKA but not certain). This must have been a hard kick by Daniel to get the sweat from his own body flying.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-08 00:02:20
Hey Oliver, could you please put the fighters names up with the picture if possible. There might be some other people like me that only recognize half the fighters.

Man, I'd love to be able to shoot some of the big shows in Japan. I might have to take up stealing car radio's or something so I can afford it.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 07:05:23
Paul:

Ok, next time I put a picture/photo on this board, I will write who is on the photo, ok.
david lucas
Posted: 2001-11-08 07:55:49
oliver do you possibly have any pictures of ignashov kneeing andrew thompson?
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 08:05:59
David Lucas:

I am so sorry, but I only have a handful of pictures of Ignashov, and non of them are from his fight against Andrew. Sorry!!!!
david lucas
Posted: 2001-11-08 08:07:58
ok, im very impressed with your collection. how about any good knees to
the head? maybe andy's knee k.o. of pat smith??
Chris Hernandez
Posted: 2001-11-08 10:32:52
How about the fight when Andy kneed Leko in the face!?? that was K-1 fight night 99 I believe....
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:13:29
The fight between Andy Hug Vs Leko is from the 1999 K-1 fight night in Switzerland. It was a great knee-kick that sent Leko down, but he got up again, and Andy won the fight on points. But never the less... Great technique from the best fighter ever in the world!!!!!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:17:51

Here is some great pictures of Andy in action!!

(Andy Vs Satake K-1 1997 GP)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:19:00

Here is some great pictures of Andy in action!!

(Andy Vs Satake K-1 1997 GP)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:21:28

Here is some great pictures of Andy in action!!

(Andy Vs Leko Fight Night 1999)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:23:09

Here is some great pictures of Andy in action!!

(Andy Vs Hoost K-1 GP)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:27:17

Here is some great pictures of Andy in action!!

(Here is the knee k.o. of Pat Smith K-1 Revenge 1994)

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:31:06

Here is a great knee-kick photo!!!

Peter Aerts in action. It looks like someone got some pain, or is it just me?

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:32:22

Here is a great knee-kick photo!!!

(Maurice Smit Vs Jurgen Krut K-1 Las Vegas 2001)

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:34:11

Here is a great knee-kick photo!!!

Musashi Vs Aerts K-1
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:35:28

Here is a great knee-kick photo!!!

(Peter Aerts K-1)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:36:47

Here is a great knee-kick photo!!!

(Peter Aerts KO Andy Hug K-1...... I HATE THIS PICTURE - BIG TIME!!!!!!!)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:42:14
Would someone please delete the picture above, thanks!!

Uhheee, Andy getting KO is never nice to look at!!!! I rather see Nightmare on Elmstreet or a fake K-1 Vs Pride fight. Dont look at the picture, just forget it, ok............ LOL
Vince
Posted: 2001-11-08 11:43:56
Oliver- so who is your supplier?

Paul- I like your picture of the ref in the Gurkan Ozkan Vs Daniel Tai picture. He kinda looks like the butler from The Adam's Family.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-08 12:54:52
Hehe, thank's Vince. I like to try and frame for the ref as well, sometimes they're the guys who make a photograph all the more complete. Unless they're blocking the view off course. The ref's name is Dave Hedgecock, who used to be a pretty big time fighter I think a few years ago here in Aus.
He's actually an excellent ref at not getting in the way. A couple of the newer guys are a nightmare to work around. Some refs sort of like to cruise continuously like Dave, but others like to hang around in a favorite corner.

,
This Susumi guy is brilliant Oliver, but I think I like the Black and White pic the best. The sign is a nice touch of Amsterdam.

Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-08 12:58:27
hehe Vince, I thought about commenting on him too. Plus he is in another State i think that the fights going on...just a different style I guess. :)
david lucas
Posted: 2001-11-08 12:59:02
awesome, oliver!
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2001-11-08 13:59:35

Is this better Oliver?
MattJ
Posted: 2001-11-08 14:24:30
Hey, once upon a time, wasn't AX going to feature a photo gallery, among other things, like a technique section? Just remembering way back. Is that something the site should develop, or would it take away from the message board?
Vince
Posted: 2001-11-08 15:03:34
Ya, a picture gallery was started, but then some people started posting pictures with parts exposed. :o)
SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-08 19:25:29

HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ! NICE ONE SID ! HEY WATCH OUT ITS SANDYTERMINATOR ! "I WONT BE BACK"
"I WILL BE INFRONT OF YOU"
TOP TOP TOP PHOTOS WELL DONE "OLIVER SPERLING" NICE ONE ! THANKS !
CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION ?? SERIOUSLY what is a KNEE KICK ??? ive heard this a couple of times ! and isnt it just a "KNEE" !! strike ! otherwise a ELBOW would be a ELBOW PUNCH !! am i right ? sorry not being funny just one of those things that you see / hear ! and always wonder WHY ?? WHERE it came from ? cheers !
p.s. the pic:is for SID remember im in FRONT of you !!!!
ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a "TERMY" !!!!!!!
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
43144 : KNEE kick ? JUST A GOOD KNEE AND A KICK

SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-08 22:56:14

:p LOL ! JUST PLAYING ! HEY CHECK OUT LAST SUNDAYS BOLTON U.K. OUR / MY THAI-BOXING CHAMPIONSHIPS ! our new BRITISH light Midleweight muay-thai-boxing champion I.S.K.A. JOHN HALE u.k.m.t.a Wigan/ Bolton-thai-boxing-club ! cheers sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
P.S. OLIVER anyone keep the top pics: coming please ! EXCELLENT !!!
Piranha
Posted: 2001-11-09 01:20:32
Vince,

The ref in the picture of Ozkan - Tai is Dave Hedgecock - a bona fide legend mate.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 01:26:34
Sid Remmer:

LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!! Yes, that is much better. Great humor Sid.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-09 03:31:54

It would be really great to see some of Dave Hedgecock's fight video's.

Another Picture. One of my favorite MT fighters. Actually 'absolute favorite' MT fighter, Daniel Dawson in yellow V Keogh from this years super 8. Daniel doesn't miss many opportunities.
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-09 03:34:16

whoops,
I uploaded the wrong pic.
Meant to be this one.
Sid Remmer
Posted: 2001-11-09 05:07:13
where was the reff?
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 06:11:01
Yeeaaahh, where is the reff??

LOL!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 06:43:27
Ladies and gentleman, the referee has left the building!
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-09 07:01:36

Hehe, don't know.
Daniel might have knocked him over.
Here's Daniel using Boxer/Kickboxer Sam Soliman to cushion his landing.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 07:56:36

Who is the man to the left in the black shirt, and what is he doing?? Maybe he is pointing in the direction where the reff. last was seen... LOL!
Shaun Keddle
Posted: 2001-11-09 08:00:07
A caption for the above photo could be:

'Tell me you love it, you know you love it, Who's ya Daddy who's ya Daddy!!!"

Whoops, sorry - wrong website.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 08:31:20
This is the first time I see a "69" with gloves - LOL!!!!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-09 08:32:26
But ok... Better safe than sorry!
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-09 08:49:04

This is my favorite picture from last years Super 8 eliminator.
MT legend 'John' Wayne Parr left V Kiwi Shane 'Choppa' Chapman in the final fight, which Chapman won on points. Decision was a little controversial in most fight forums.
I have a huge 30X20 inch print rolled up that I'm going to take along this weekend and hopefully get signed by Chapman, whom is fighing in the K1 Max semi final.
nobody
Posted: 2001-11-09 09:48:37
Checked out your gallery. Good stuff. Looks in the above that chapman is a bit larger than JWP, what is the weight limit for the k-1 max. And are you planning on putting up pics of the k-1 max, and if so let Ax know.
Chris Gilkay
Posted: 2001-11-09 12:54:54
Awesome pics everyone. Keep 'em coming!!!
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-09 15:46:44

Nobody,
Thanks.
I'm not really sure about Chapman's height compared to Wayne's. But both guys are pretty tall for Middleweights, Chapman does look taller in the picture even considering the fact that he's on his toes. He must be one of the fittest looking guys that I have ever met.

I'm pretty certain that the weight limit is 72 kg. Solak is also going to be holding K.O league soon for the 75kg guys. I'm actually really looking forward to that one. There is a lot of guys here between 72 and 78 that are such brillian atheletes, and hopefully the 75 kilo mark should be achievable for most.

Yes, I'm going to be shooting for sure. I know use digital, so it's just a matter of re-sizing for the net. Which is only a couple of hours work, compared to the 20 or so it used to take me to scan. Pictures should all be up by late Monday Afternoon, so drop bye and take a look guys if you get the chance. If the card is unchanged from advertised, it should be at least as good as the annual Super- 8 shows that Kelly Seif puts on. Fingers crossed for them all to be there.

Shitty pic above with no faces, but the guy pictured on the right is Warren Elson fighting Diamond Dale Westernan (sp). Not exactly sure of his fight weight, but he couldn't be too far off 72kg, maybe 74 or 75. Man, this guy is a great fighter, really tall, and he is so bloody good at kneeing. He was such a nightmare for Westernan (who is a legend) to fight.
Shot is from a super-fight also from last years Super-8. Dale Westernan announced his retirement after this fight.
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-09 17:24:43
In those Daniel pics...wheres the ref or whats he doing? :)
nobody
Posted: 2001-11-09 19:02:39
Cool I cant wait !!! Why cant the US get on the bandwagon. I want a middleweight k-1 !!!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-12 08:29:52

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-12 08:32:37

Paul
Posted: 2001-11-12 12:14:13
Mark,

The ref really was doing a good job, those pictures of the Dawson V Keogh fight were taken within a split second. The ref was probably just out of frame which could have been less than a metre away.
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-12 13:47:02
cool, it just looks funny. Of course a pic can say a thousand words but many times we aren't clear on the language.

I am really hoping to start judging and reffing. Its not really a big interest but I don't see very many people with MuayThai experiance or a MuayThai style of reffing when they ref MuayThai. I think I can do a good job and want to try. Needless to say as I learn, practice I am also always looking at refs. Especially Thai refs and trying to see what they do. I've seen it plenty but sometimes I try to focus on that as I hope it will help me.

Basically I'm looking at refs more than I normally would.

SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-12 21:54:19
OLIVER AND PAUL TOP PICS: KEEP EM COMING GUYS ! hey what rules the "missing" ref: ones ! / a little dispute surely ?? re: the knee attack when fighter had one hand on the floor etc: ! cheers ! what happened ? disqualified ? ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Paul
Posted: 2001-11-12 22:33:45
Sandy,
I probably shouldn't have posted the pic where the fighter was on both knees. What had actually happened was Dawson gave Keogh the first knee, and was going to give him one more on the way down, but must have realized and quickly slowed it down to barely a rub. Pic is a bit decieving.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-13 14:49:53

Another knee-kick photo...

Andy Hug KO Kakuda in the Seido World Cup
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-13 14:52:54

Another knee-kick photo...

Andy Hug KO Kakuta in the Seido World Cup
43617 : knee kick ??

SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-13 22:44:28
Oliver ! i do like your pics : but who told ya its called a KNEE KICK ?? which is it ?? :P
hahah lol
a KNEE or kick ?? its got to be SIMPLY A "KNEE" sorry being politically correct "! avin a a crack matey ! not on it ! :P
ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-14 03:25:37
SANDY HOLT :

?????????????????????????????????????
SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-14 22:29:19
OLIVER ?????????????? hi buddy !
a simple question ? why do you call it a KNEE-KICK ?? which is it ?? a knee ! ? or kick ? or punch ? elbow ! are "ALL" just called by a single name ! why a KNEE-KICK ?? there is no KICK ?? not being funny with you ! just a question ? cause you wouldnt call it a ELBOW-PUNCH ?
hey keep up the top pics: cool ! nice one ! cheers sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-15 02:38:26
Sandy:

If you kick someone with your knee, well... I guess that is why I called it a knee-kick. (That is what we are calling it here in Denmark) Just like if you hit someone with your fist or elbow, then you call it for a elbow or fist punch. If you just say knee or elbow, then you are just talking about a part of the body, but not about kicking or punching.

If I told you that Nicholas Pettas kick Jerome in the face, then you will think, was it a circle kick, a kick with his foot or a with his knee??? But if I told you that Pettas hit Jerome with a powerful knee-kick, you will exact know how he got hit and what kind of technique Pettas used to KO him.

Am I wrong or do my English suck's big time??????? Do you get my point?
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-15 07:57:51
Many people use it that way but it sounds funny to me.

When I started reading about 'knee kick' I was gonna joke about saying 'elbow punch' but i guess you say that too.

I think knee can be a verb and there for doesn't need kick with it. But everywhere is different.

One of the funniest ones I heard was a 'leg kick'(meaning kicking with the leg) could be a high kick even but still called a leg kick. It took me awhile to figure that out. I think the guy kicks the other guy in the body and they say 'nice leg kick'. ???????

hehe language is funny from place to place and to me 'knee kick' and 'elbow punch' sound funny.

I don't know that i could say its wrong though.
Big Diesel
Posted: 2001-11-15 09:10:19
Hey just have just revamped my website and have new pics of me and Leuyer on there. Check it out and let me knw what you think by emailing me. going to really get it going with about a 200 meg hosting site and plenty of pics. Mostly of my fights but also of others. I have 2-3 guys fighting tonite so I will get some pics of them fighting as well.

home.kc.rr.com/bigdiesel

My intro music was done by a group here in K.C. called Heet Mob (HeetMob.com) they start touring sometime soon. If I did it right it will play-pages 1-3.
IKF Kickboxing
Posted: 2001-11-15 12:14:15
IKF Picture Page;

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/Pictures.htm
vince
Posted: 2001-11-15 19:35:43
leg kick as opposed to what, a hand kick? getting silly now, hehe
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-16 00:17:24
thats what knee kick sounds like to me too...well not as bad :)

I mean a knee is a knee, right? :)
SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-17 17:28:52
hey Oliver thanks for the explanation ! hey Mark a leg kick is what says ! a KICK to the leg ! ie: as we call them in ENGLAND a LOW KICK ( usually pertains to a roundhouse kick to the thigh ) as its simpler to use in commentary and pics: / mags, reports etc: somethings have to be abreviated so your right about the ELBOW-PUNCH ? no such thing ?? and a KNEE-KICK no such thing ( sorry Oliver you have to tell ALL Denmark ! no such thing ? its SIMPLY a KNEE ) as you would say in a `fight` a front kick, say to the body ! ? ( a front knee or a side knee ? or a jumping front ? / side ? knee !
a left hook to ? the face ? body ?
a knee to the head ? / body ?
a elbow to the nose ? body ?
a ??? kick to the legs ? body ? head ?
you DONT need to say a KNEE KICK ?? thats "2" strikes !!!!!! a knee and a kick !
2 seperate weapons ! YES ? ! As with what me and Mark are saying ! you cant have an elbow-punch ?? there are 4 main weapons 2 sides = the `8` striking main weapons of muay-thai-boxing ! ( the art and science of `8` limbs muay-thai )
AND BY THE WAY OLIVER YOUR ENGLISH IS VERY GOOD !!
plus its about 5,00000000000 times better than my DANISH ! buddy ! cheers ! just drop the "kick" ! BUT keep the top pics: coming ! thanks sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk

Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-17 17:42:49
I agree Sandy. Believe me I now what a leg kick is. :)
nobody
Posted: 2001-11-17 21:28:54
Mark needs to be donkey punched .......:)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-18 03:43:26
NO kick no punch - just a knee or a elbow........ I get it!!

LOL
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-18 03:46:44
Eat my knee!!!
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-18 11:57:36
So what would a head butt be?

A head kick? Head elbow? Head punch? Head knee?
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-18 12:01:48
That's funny. Hey look, I can post under Mark L's name...hmmm.
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-18 12:07:49
Actually thats not funny.

How the hell did you do that?
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-18 12:09:38
I didn't post my pass word somewere did I? :)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-18 14:03:20
I knee-kick you all with my elbow punch if you keep on........LOL!
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-18 14:55:15
Keep on??

Someone posted under my name.
SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-18 22:31:22
will the real MARK L PLEASE STAND UP ??
someone clone ya Mark ?? mr Spelling ? was that you ? must be too many KNEE-KICKS to the face-elbow or is there a KICK-KNEE ?? mmm a new one ! hahah ! ta sandy man holt
u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
p.s. clone me and the worlds done for ! "CAPS" WILL TAKE OVER LIKE THE TRIFFIDS DID !! hahaha
SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-18 22:37:31
hahahahahahaahahahahaahah ! NOBODY ive just spotted the "DONKEY PUNCHED" bit above ! "ROFL" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CANT stop laughing at that one ! hahaha :P
:)
mad as ! hahahaah someone stop me ! hahahaah where did ya get that one from !! hahahaah
rofl
help ! hahah
hehehehehe
ROFL
hahahaha
its just got me tickled ! hahaha
still chuckling !
hey oliver watch it you might get DONKEY KICK-KNEED too hahaha SORRY its so funny ! ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Mark L.
Posted: 2001-11-19 01:31:39
LOL

I agree that knee kick sounds funny. Isn't knee a verb as well? You can say to knee right?

What does kick mean technically?
Well the dictionary I just looked in says it relates to foot. So the Thai style of kicking(with the shin in most cases) isn't even a kick, though I think we can all agree that that is the best word for it. Now that being said, the knee being a kick is really a stretch.

Knee is not in this dictionary as a verb. So a 'knee kick'(since we have no word for it) could be the best bet...technically.

But words change and with in sports there are their own words and MuayThai certainly isn't a hugely popular, language changing sport(as yet).

So regardless I think knee is fine for knee. I still think knee kick sounds funny.
triton g
Posted: 2001-11-19 11:54:54
Does anyone have any good woman's professional fight pictures they could post here.
44250 : sorry not fight buto

SANDY HOLT
Posted: 2001-11-19 19:54:17

sorry Tritn, not a fight pic: but a start ! ( me getting a elbow off world flyweight I.K.K.C muay-thai champion Jussy Lowe BOLTON-THAI-BOXING-CLUB, i will have a look for ya ! and try ! im sure there will be some help off here ! please ask our A/X friend "TOOTS" she has some good pics of womens fights ! and also MIA ! both good photographers ! check ask em em out ! well not out ! :P know what i mean !
ta sandy man holt u.k.m.t.a
www.thaiboxing.co.uk
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2001-11-20 06:33:08
Sandy:

Great photo of a great elbow-punch........ LOL!
(Just an elbow... I know)
triton g
Posted: 2001-11-20 20:57:50
Sweet!! thanks Sandy
dirk stal
Posted: 2001-11-25 10:24:03

here's a picture of a woman's fight:lucia rijker vs sandra moore
dirk stal
Posted: 2001-11-25 10:28:59

here's another picture of the most dangerous woman on earth : lucia rijker.
44768 : Nice Kick

311style
Posted: 2001-11-25 17:45:09

Here is a picture of Danny Brandt kicking William Sriyampai for a 4th round knock out.
Danny Blake
Posted: 2001-11-25 19:16:03

This picture is of Des Smith throwing a mid section kick to Dave Morrison
Redcliffe, Australia. 2000
44781 : Testing

Jack Mackeral
Posted: 2001-11-25 20:11:03

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dirk stal
Posted: 2001-11-26 12:47:43

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