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Posted: 2011-06-01 05:27:01
hayabusa equipment?

I've been doing Thai boxing for about 2 months now and as I'm loving it I'm buying all the stuff so I don't have 2 keep borrowing.seen some nice (looking) hayabusa gloves and shinguards and was wondering if any1 on here has had any and if its any good?

Or should I just stick with twins etc.

Any help/info would be greatly appreciated.

Muaythai King
Posted: 2011-06-01 12:30:57
Hayabusa stuff is usualy quite pricey.
They look the part though, never worn any of their stuff bar a pair of MMA gloves, they were comfy.

As for shin guards, the best are the Top King range - awesome shinguard. I have a pair of 8oz King gloves that I used to use, and they too were great gloves.

Posted: 2011-06-01 14:56:40
king are also a wee bit pricey though but I can say the'yre definately good quality. Hayabusa are good, probably the most commonly used brand in MMA gyms in germany - their most commonly used thai brand is kings so that probably attests to their quality.
Posted: 2011-06-01 16:54:08
Thanks 4 the info.bin talking 2 sum1 2nate that said its more mma,so might stick to the top kings as they seem 2 be a similar price.

Atleast it'll make me keep going,cos after buying all gear ill want 2 get my wear out of it.not cheap!lol.
Posted: 2011-06-01 17:37:40
I had a pair of 14oz hayabusa gloves. They were quite good although I find the twins/sandee gloves better cos they feel a bit firmer. Hayabusa gloves are quite soft.

As for shinnies I have a pair of MTG shins and I swear by them. They are ace. King are meant to be the daddies at the mo
Sandy Holt
Posted: 2011-06-01 23:03:15
Sandee and Chokdee
the best imo o
Posted: 2011-06-02 18:58:11
all the thai brands are probably made in the same factory and ive had windy sandee thaimai and twins and cannot see any differance between them, alas over 30 years so dunno about prices.
david eckersley
Posted: 2011-06-02 19:07:58
Hayabusa gear is fantastic!
Comfy, cool etc
But it isnt as hard wearing as the Thai brands.
I think of it as the Armani of training gear
Looks cool is great to use but if you want longevity buy goretex boots so to speak.

Or simply buy new gloves each year - which you should anyway in my opinion for hygene reasons.
Posted: 2011-06-03 03:04:11
"all the thai brands are probably made in the same factory and ive had windy sandee thaimai and twins and cannot see any differance between them, alas over 30 years so dunno about prices"

No they are not. Just because you are unable to see the most obvious differences doesn't mean they are made in the same factory. To be perfectly frank the differences are bloody obvious. Just placing a pair of Sandee, Windy, Twins and Fairtex next to each other (or looking at photos on the web) shows very obvious and stark differences. The shape and size alone are completely different, not to mention the finish on the leather, the internal hand compartment and a bunch of other stuff.

Thai Brands

Windy, Sandee, Twins, Top King, Thaismai and Raja are all family businesses with their own factories in Bangkok.

Windy, Twins, King, Top King and Raja are all family owned businesses who are members of the same extended family. The original being Windy (Thailand's first equipment brand and over 70 yrs old), the remainder being sons, cousins etc of this family who over the years have has various fallings out and gone their own way to do their own thing.

Sandee and Thaismai are standalone businesses with no connection to the Windy/Twins dynasty or each other. Sandee is Thailand's second oldest brand after Windy but very small in comparison to the rest. We can prove Sandee was manufacturing sometime in the mid 70s and is very likely further back than that but we cant find absolute proof (receipts, purchase orders etc) as before that not much paperwork was kept. Twins started production in the mid 80s and have grown into a huge global brand. Raja started in the late 90s.

Twins have a massive factory and make Twins and King brands. Windy factory is smaller than Twins but still pretty bloody big. When I visited the Raja factory a long time ago its wasnt so much of a factory but was the front yard of their house (to be fair a very impressive and large house but a house non the less).

Sandee have a small three storey factory and is a small business compared to Twins and Windy.

Thaismai is located in what is basically a corner shop with the office and retail until downstairs and the production upstairs. No idea about Top King as I haven't been there but the owner is part of the Windy/Twins dynasty. I haven't been to Boon either but from what I can gather its similar in size to Thailsmai. Boon is also nothing to do with any of the other brands.

Sandee produce mostly for the domestic Thai market, UK, Ireland and a smaller amount into mainland Europe. Whilst Twins and Windy are really massive with huge automated production Sandee is still made in the traditional way by hand by leather craftsman. Production of Sandee has doubled in the last 18 months.

Other Brands

Hayabusa and Rival are made in China

Most other (non Thai) brand are made in either Pakistan, India or China. (Bad Boy, Adidas, Reebok etc) It is these factories which make for multiple brands.

There are brands which are licensed (e.g. Bad Boy, Adidas, Reebok etc) that are made all over the place. The licencee pays the brand owner a fee for the right to use their brand and is up to them to get it produced. So Bad Boy on the UK may not be made in the same factory or even same country as Bad Boy USA etc, etc.

What makes Thai Brand so high quality with such a good reputation is two things

1. They produce for their domestic market which is obviously professional Muay Thai gyms. Crap products simply wouldn't last in Thailand so they have to be good.

2. They are all owner operated. i.e. the owners of the brand also own the factory. So quality is controlled by the same people. They don't licence out or subcontract to third parties. This is the main reason why you don't see many Thai Brands on the high street. To achieve the margins required by retailers the brands would have to double in retail price or be made somewhere cheaper than Thailand (Pakistan or China for example)

Posted: 2011-06-03 03:22:20
psychoeyeball - in answer to your original question Hayabusa are one of our better selling products and we have not had any significant quality issues with them.

My personal opinion is that they are a little over priced when compared to the Thai brands but is more to do with the profit margin issues I spoke about above.

Its no coincidence that the more expensive brands are also advertised a lot. That advertising has to be paid for somehow. Thai brands are rarely advertised and as such tend to be cheaper than the likes of Hayabusa or Rival. The net result is that you get for more for your money.

That said there is nothing wrong with Hayabusa and I am sure you will be very please with them if that's what you go for. To be honest at this level of products (Hayabusa, Rival, Sandee, Twins, Fairtex, Top King etc, ect) its all much of a muchness quality wise and really down to personal preference of how they fit, feel and look. Its my opinion that you just get better vaule for your money with Sandee or Twins.

I hope that helps

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Posted: 2011-06-03 04:36:23
Excellent posts Simon, couldn't have put it any better
Posted: 2011-06-03 07:20:49
Fightshop,thanks for the detailed info,its much appreciated.u obviously know ur stuff.feel like I've just been given a lesson in Thai history.ha.thanks 4 every1 else that has posted aswell,that's why thought id ask as better 2 get opinion of people in the know.

Have seen some nice looking stuff,but like suggested think I will get down 2 a shop and try sum stuff on and see what feels good b4 I order.

Thanks again.x
Posted: 2011-06-03 08:40:19
Hayabusa great for mma but not as good for constant thai boxing use (shin pads/gloves etc)the shin pads too thin for lots of thai abuse, but perfect for mma sparring.
Muaythai King
Posted: 2011-06-03 14:12:46
Rival gloves, now they are pricey! Really good quality though. Didn't personally really like the fitting of them, but that's down to personal choice.

A friend, got a used pair from someone who originally paid £189, she got them for £40 LOL FFS I about hit the floor, £189 for gloves, feck that. They guy who originally bought them, wore them for 2 rounds, yes 2 rounds, and decided he didn't like them.
Posted: 2011-06-04 00:21:39
Raja have a decent sized factory now, on some land not too far from the owners house, TopKing also a decent sized factory, though nothing compared to the twins one
Posted: 2011-06-04 04:41:47
^^ To be fair it was about 5 or 6 years ago when I was at Raja. Although I was shown an empty plot of land they had just bought and the drawings for the factory. Good to see they are on track with their plans.
Posted: 2011-06-04 05:11:07
What's the deal with venum gear? Bunch of my students bought me a set of venum shinnies for my birthday and the seemes pretty good quality though I've not had a chance to wear em yet - had to be sent back for a smaller size.
Posted: 2011-06-07 02:03:44
Dont know about the Venum I am afraid.

Although the MMA shorts are some of our best selling lines they never have enough kit in stock to put on our site. When we stock a new line we like to stock a full wide range but they only ever seem to have bits in stock and incomplete size runs.

When they have increased their production capacity to cope with demand (which I am sure they will) we will stock a range but until then I am afraid I cant comment on the Venum kit.
Posted: 2011-06-07 05:32:03
Ah cheers! well I'll let you know how I find them. Been using a pair of Fairtex shinnies for years now and never had even the slightest problem with them so they've got a lot to live up to.
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