Looking for some advice from organisations, or people in the know.

Problem:

Title holder refuses to defend their title because not happy with the purse.

What's the procedure here?

Not naming names, but let's say a Middleweight Kickboxing Continental or World Champion gets offered a grand to defend their title. They refuse. They say they want 2 grand. This is out of my budget.

Where do we go from here? Do organisations have procedures in place as someone could win a title, then refuse to defend unless they're offered 10k.

I should add to above: Do orgs have a 'minimum' amount whereby the champion must fight for ?

Very good Question

Just my opinion....

If you want to put on a World Title fight, but £2k is out of your budget, should you really be putting on a World Title fight?

Within reason a world title should be on a show selling a good number of tickets, if the promoter cant pay £2k then maybe theyre aiming too high.

I think if it's a "proper" world title and they are a proper contender then £2000 is not unreasonable. If they have reached a level where they hold a real world title rather than a pony made up one then they will of put the hours into the sport. They deserve a proper purse.

Defo need more info I reckon,

Did he win the title (I presume it was vacant) on your show?

If yes and it was vacant then you already know how much he got paid to challenge, just have to add a premium as he's now the champ.

If it was on another show why are you putting it on? Is "your" fighter challenging him? If so and by "your" I mean either a fighter you train or manage then if you want the title then 2k is reasonable.

If it wasn't vacant then find out how much the former champ charged

Obviously a factor is tickets, if the champ sells 100 tickets then 2k is again, reasonable

If he got £200 to challenge, sells feck all and is just being a tit speak to the Org.

Thanks for the replies.

I should've been a bit more clearer...

The point I was getting at was that a certain few fighters go through their careers asking for several hundred quid to fight (or whatever figure), then they ein a major title, and their purse goes up. And rightly so. But, my point, do organisations have anything in place to ensure that a fighter can't just keep asking an unreasonable amount just to avoid taking certain fights?

The figure above was for a 63kg wkn European champ. His manager stated his purse is a grand, yet when I put an opponent to them he wanted 2 grand. What's to stop him asking for 10 grand just to avoid the fight?

I'm noticing this happen more recently.

He's the one risking it all in the ring, not you.

Greedy promoters just want to make a buck where they can, would you compensate a fighter for life if they suffered a disability on your show?

Fighters get paid peanuts for what they are risking, whilst promoters are lining their pockets.

Not to get in an argument here Paul 123 but a fighter knows exactly what they are getting into when they step into the ring.

Yes the money is nowhere near as much as boxing or MMA but if you want to do it for money, change sports. Ricky Hatton, Scott Quigg are just 2 fighters who changed sports and reached the ultimate goal of becoming a World Champion with the money to follow I'm sure.

Promoters do not always 'line their pockets' as you say. Yes some make a profit but I know some who have made losses of over £5k on a show.

Promoters need fighters and fighters need promoters so surely something can be arranged for a reasonable purse to be agreed.

Yeah not on here for petty arguments and didnt mean to come across as looking for one, but for the OP to keep whinging that fighters are asking too much money and trying to discreddiscredit said fighter, needs to pull his head out his arse.

Paul123: My head is firmly out of my arse, thank you. And i believe you have missed the point by a mile.

Let's forget about the 2 grand bit of the original post, that figure could be any amount. All my point is is what is stopping a Champion from refusing to fight any challenger because they want are demanding too much? Let's say someone wants £50,000 to defend their world title (bearing in mind they've only ever really fought for around £1k). That pretty much rules out 99% of promoters. Would a sanctioning body stand by and just let him remain the champion until a promoter can fork out £50k for a defence/challenge?

I would have thought that the sanctioning body would be able to give an idea of what they would expect a reasonable purse for that level of fight would be?
I'd offer that (if it's within your budget) if that is knocked back and they haven't defended the title for a while I'd speak to the sanctioning body to have them stripped of the title.
It's a difficult line to walk, the fighters deserve to be paid well for putting themselves through the hell it takes to fight but the promoters need to make enough as well to put themselves through the hell it takes to promote.

Thank you Yoda, my thoughts are the same. I think i will drop the organisation an email for their opinions again.