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Topic:Off Topic : Kyokushin Karate - First World Open - Any Pics ?
Paul T
Posted: 2003-11-22 13:06:08
results and photos at:
http://www.kyokushin.co.jp/8wokt.php3
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-23 05:00:20

Here is a much better link!


http://www.europeankyokushin.org/
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-23 05:02:02

Here is a much better link!


http://www.europeankyokushin.org/
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-23 05:02:22

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-23 05:05:30

Final match between Kiyama vs Plekhanov
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-23 09:16:46

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 00:52:07
If any one has private pictures from the World Open, please share!

Thanks,
Oliver.
Brazilian rookie
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:20:00
Hey Oliver, the Tameshiwari ( I understand that it's "brake thing"), it's real? It's hard to believe a guy can brake 4 large pieces of ice with the hand...

Sorry my ignorance...

But Filho is cracking 4 large blokes of ice!

What's the point? It's only skill or the ice is prepared? Put in a temperature more easy to brake?

And the wood, I see a pic of a guy broken maybe 10 large pieces of wood, with the elbow, what kind of wood?

I have seen some surrealistic pics from kyokushin masters, broken glass bottles, and baseball woods, it's all real or "prepared" for it?

I can't understand...

May you explain for me?

Cheers, and nice pics, the kicks are awesome!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:45:32

The picture are for real, the ice is not prepared or has been under high temperature to make them easier to break!

In Kyokushin you break ice, baseball bats, wood, bottles and other subject as you mention yourself, and NONE of the objects is "prepared", so they are easier to break.

The purpose for breaking Baseball bats with your shin, or breaking big blocks of ice with your fist or elbows are many, but primary to show your strength - and how far and how strong you can make your body.

In tournaments you use Tameshiwari to select a winner in a fight. If two fighters are even and if there is no weight different between them, the one who break most boards wins the fight. The boards are 1 inch thick, and you have to break the boards in these 4 different ways:

1 knuckle (Minimum is 2 boards)
2 Palm (Minimum is 2 boards)
3 elbow (Minimum is 2 boards)
4 fod (Minimum is 2 boards)

Sergey Plekhanov from Russia broke 29 boards by knuckle, palm, elbow and food... And that is a hell of a lot boards. I cant remember when I have heard about another fighter in the world, breaking more than 29 boards? I know that Lechi Kurbanov also did break 29 boards in the American open in year 2002, but never heard of any break more than 29 boards!


Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:45:49

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:48:18

Sergey Plekhanov getting ready to break boards with his knuckle/seiken.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:48:42

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:51:01

Sergey Osipov breaking boards by kakato/foot
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:52:23

Atsushi Kadoi from Japan breaking by palm/shuto
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 02:59:25

Glaube Vs Kadoi at the World Open.

Glaube Feitosa won this fight on Tameshiwari. Glaube did break 22 boards and Kadoi did "only" break 19 boards. But before you go to Tameshiwari, you have to fight 2 extension rounds. If there still hasn’t been found a winner in the extension, and if there is less than + 10 kilo in weight different between the two fighters - the one who break the most board’s wins.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 03:33:47

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 03:46:52

Standing on eggs breaking cement.

Dont try this at home!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 03:47:08

Standing on eggs breaking cement.

Dont try this at home!
seido
Posted: 2003-11-24 04:39:52
great pictures oliver.there is no preparation of objects for breaking i have done basseball bat break 3 times at exibitions and they were not pre prepared thanks for photos oliver OSU!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 07:25:56

Thanks Seido!
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 07:27:04

unicorn
Posted: 2003-11-24 07:44:11
Oliver, with all due respect, the wooden thing is ok, although I personally consider it a bad idea to award a winning upon, but you will never in your life convince someone that a solid ice block breaks exactly in half and with a pretty clear cut margin at the point of impact unless he didn't try it on a solid block of ice himself. Solid ice tends to smash in pieces exactly like solid glass. No matter of how hard the shock is, it will still not break in the same point in two blocks put aside, that's even harder to believe. Sorry to say, the ice looks like a bit "cooked" - this means cut with a hot wire and then stuck back with some water and left to freeze so as not to break upon minimal shock.
unicorn
Posted: 2003-11-24 07:49:02
Alternative is that the ice was frozen at temperatures only few centigrades below zero so it has still watery places left inside. If you went fishing during deep winter and tried to open the ice in a lake at -10 degrees with an iron rod and the ice was something like 20 cm thick you will know a difference. After some 15 days at around 0 degrees with little variation plus or minus, the ice can still be thick but you will not need to break it - actually you might drown because it breaks under you before you try :)
Roger Deaton
Posted: 2003-11-24 08:20:22
With the baseball bat, they are breaking it at the thinest part (the handle), not breaking through the "sweet spot."

29 boards, sounds like an impressive feat.

I like the egg demo. Lol- I guess they were hard-boiled though.

I like the finger through the soda can.


www.recordholders.org/en/list/karate.html
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 08:56:23

The eggs were NOT hard boiled first! That is the "amazing" thing about the egg demo.

Shihan showing the eggs before the demo, to prove that they all are not biled.
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-11-24 09:13:30
egg demo made by Shihan Peter Chong
Roger Deaton
Posted: 2003-11-24 10:24:13
I was just making a joke about the eggs, since some were discussing the gimmicked breaking demonstrations.
Brazilian rookie
Posted: 2003-11-24 13:08:22
Unicorn, I don't know if the ice is "prepered", but damn, ice is so solid... But I say ice brake in the spot that you hit, I say that because I put some water on a plastic bag and put in the freezer, and have a large piece of ice, and use a large knife (you know, a kind of knife you cut bones, I don't know the name in english, sorry) to brake the ice, and when I put more power, I cut the ice easily in the form I want. But damn, it's so hard, hard as glass!

For me is very hard see a guy brake a large piece of ice, and don't think in magic...

My trainer is a former shotokan fighter, and his hand is solid as hell. He have some pictures breaking 4 large pieces of wood, but ice I can't believe, its soooooo hard!

I will test here in my house, with a hammer, in a large piece of ice, If the ice crack in the spot or not, I'll keep you in touch...

Oliver, thanks for answer! You're very cool! And the pics are priceless!
Martin H
Posted: 2003-11-24 22:09:28
Oliver, nice pics.
However they are all from the Matsui group WT.
Do you have anything from the Midori group WT?
T
Posted: 2003-11-27 10:34:17
I have recently broken ice in a simular manner to the photo
and yes it did break like shown in the photo (clean at the point
of impact-untill it hit the floor) and no it wasn't 'doctored' in
any way and yes it did hurt :)
Colin Payne
Posted: 2003-11-27 12:35:37
why do it then?? LOL
T
Posted: 2003-11-27 12:40:15
very good question!!!LOL it looked alot more interesting before I had tried it lol
unicorn
Posted: 2003-11-27 20:19:00
With all due respect to kyokushin

(and paranthesis : yes, I did some breakings myself, but I have pretty thin joints, and conditioning for too much taking into account what one has already to do looked soo damn useless) - by the way, I am so greatful to God that in the old (and totally informal) days in which I was inside breaking was not a part of winning a match and not even a belt)

Quote : master, did you ever break a wooden log ? No, because no one attacked me ever.

Question : why the hell did they say such a wise thing in karate kid only to show moments later the trick of catching flies with bamboo sticks ?

:)))
Paul T
Posted: 2003-11-28 12:20:23
We normally do breaking for advancement in rank
and for demonstrations. I can not say that it is a
huge part of the training; as we are spending most
our time hitting leather pads or people, instead of
ice, boards, or bricks
:-)
Martin H
Posted: 2003-11-30 14:41:59
Anyone in europe might be interested in knowing that eurosport is showing kyokushin world open (the Midori faction competiton) from 4-5th october 2003, tomorrow december 1st. 19.45 central european time (directly before k1 legends).
Fox sport is apparently also showing it but I have no details about that.
Sonik
Posted: 2003-12-01 11:12:02
Woah! Are you sure ?
Martin H
Posted: 2003-12-01 11:24:24
Well the eurosport broadcast is confirmed by eurosport and every ST schedule I can find, but It would not be the first time they change programing at the last second to make more place for football, or other uninteresting sports. The fox sport broadcast I know very little about since I dont have that channel myself, but according to the IKO2 webpage, that is also on. http://www.iko-kyokushin.com/
One hour to go. (eurosport UK may broadcast one hour later), check your local TV programing.

It has been on for quite some time. They also showed the last IKO2 WT a few months ago to "Warm up", but could not give a definite date for this broadcast until a few weeks ago..
G-MAN
Posted: 2003-12-03 07:11:39
(The picture are for real, the ice is not prepared or has been under high temperature to make them easier to break!

In Kyokushin you break ice, baseball bats, wood, bottles and other subject as you mention yourself, and NONE of the objects is "prepared", so they are easier to break.

The purpose for breaking Baseball bats with your shin, or breaking big blocks of ice with your fist or elbows are many, but primary to show your strength - and how far and how strong you can make your body.

In tournaments you use Tameshiwari to select a winner in a fight. If two fighters are even and if there is no weight different between them, the one who break most boards wins the fight. The boards are 1 inch thick, and you have to break the boards in these 4 different ways:

1 knuckle (Minimum is 2 boards)
2 Palm (Minimum is 2 boards)
3 elbow (Minimum is 2 boards)
4 fod (Minimum is 2 boards)

Sergey Plekhanov from Russia broke 29 boards by knuckle, palm, elbow and food... And that is a hell of a lot boards. I cant remember when I have heard about another fighter in the world, breaking more than 29 boards? I know that Lechi Kurbanov also did break 29 boards in the American open in year 2002, but never heard of any break more than 29 boards!)rewg

Hi guys, i@ve been away for a while i am actually in Japan at the moment and I am loving it I`ve been here for two months and I am currently training at Sensei Nicholas Pettas dojo, i`ve also been offered a professional contract by his team so thing are going sweet. Oliver about the boards Sensei Walter Schnaubelt `wally` actually holds the record with 30 boards at the 1995 world open i belive but i could be wrong, i also attended the last world open and it was really good although there were some dodgy desicions.
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Paul T
Posted: 2003-12-03 07:45:36
WOW! You are training with Sensei Pettas?
that must be awesome. good for you!

I like his website, and how he is willing
to interact, answer questions etc on the
bbs section of the site. cool stuff.

train hard and have fun,
:-)
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-12-03 08:03:20
G-man:

Thanks for sharing! Please give Sensei Pettas my deepest respect next time you see him, he knows who I am. Thanks!

About Walter Schnaubelt, he did not win the Tameshiwari Award at the 5th World Open in Kyokushin back in 1991, it was Kiyofumi Abe from Japan. Walter Schnaubelt won the award at the 6th World Open in 1995. But I do not know the amount of bards?

Any pictures you would like to share?
bomber
Posted: 2003-12-03 08:04:11
wrong!! all six!!!

Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-12-03 08:42:15
wrong?
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-12-04 01:19:28
G-MAN,

Did you attended at the last world open, 7th World Open in 1999, IKO1?

Check out this address about the 8th World Open last month, and read about dodgy desicions. Dodgy desicions is the weaknes of Kyokushin karate!

http://www.kyokushinresults.freeserve.co.uk/
G-MAN
Posted: 2003-12-05 04:12:11
ous Oliver thanks for the link, to answer your question, no i didnt participate in the 1999 world tournament,my 18 years old unfortunately and mutual dislike for the british coach has always kept me outside of the team although both in 1999 and 2003 I won the iko1 british open, thats the reason that in 2002 I participated in the european championships representing sweden loosing on a crappy 3-2 desicion to thomas najduch (who won the tournament) in the quarter finals, I was 14 kilos lighter than him and 2 flags were on my favour and two flags were on his favour after 3 extentions, but the ref gave it to him.

so yeah that is the only thing that lets kyokushin down, the dodgy and biased desicions, and to be totally honest I think kyama is not a worthy succesor to the kyokushin throne.
much respect ous
G-MAN
Posted: 2003-12-05 04:18:25
sorry oliver i just noticed, i didnt say the 1991 world tournament but the 1995 wt, i am totally positive on this because i had the source from the official world open letter which is sent out to branch chiefs.
also you might like to know that sensei nic is opening his new full time dojo on sunday, he sends his regards.
ous
Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-12-05 04:34:04
Osu G-man.

You are welcome, I am glad that you like the link. So you have been fighting Thomas Najduch from Poland, and "only" loosing on a 3-2 decision - You most be very strong and having lots of talent being able to match Thomas so hard.

What weight class did you win IKO1 1999 & 2003 Kyokushin British Open in? I dont see any Will Guglielmo Riva on the official record list, or am I looking the wrong places?

Osu and respect from Denmark,
Oliver.
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Oliver Sperling
Posted: 2003-12-05 04:40:06
Osu G-man,

I know that Pettas is working hard opening up a new dojo - and at the same time he is also a father to a new born baby.

Please send sensei Pettas a warm greeting from cold Denmark, and give him my deepest respect as a karate-ka and human. I have nothing but respect for Pettas and for what he has accomplish, since he left Denmark to become an Ushi-Dechi in Japan, and until today.

Osu,
Oliver.
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