yes i did lose the plot lollo but hey its 11 at night in brisbane and my tiwns just woke up lol anyways my point was neautrality is something we strive for but who controls the judges in professoonal boxing in the usa ??? the so called boxing fedreration or the promoters ???? who controls the judges in thailand in thai boxing?? the federations or the promoters ,the k1 in japan?? the federation or Ishii . I hear what is being expoused by markcr but my point is that we arent living in the perfect world , we are living in a world where the person that pays the bucks makes the decisions .....the ultimate purity of sport is to have a neautral ref and judges but when those judges are refs are being paid by a promoter than their loyalty wether its conscious or subconscious is too that promoter. Im a manager in a multinational retail store my loyalty to to the billionaire who owns it ...so imy point is that dont expect terry hill great trainer an reff that he is to be given carte blanche(total control ) with the refs and judges when dixon mciver is paying everyones wages its never ever gonna happen.