Well so much for my silence. I may try to inject just a little humor as we go along, be fore warned.Have a laugh and contribute what you can to the debate.

I will try to be as transparent as I can.

If I do not answer a question it will be because I can not or I find it not worthy of a responce and counter productive. This is a like it or leave it..

If I do not answer it because of reasons not apparent on here I will endeavor to answer it at such a time as I can, like it or leave it.

The opinions I express here are exactly that, mine.

If you have any questions for the Commission please contact them. The contact info is very easy to find, do your home work. I can not speak for them.

Most of the info on what happens on the Commission is a matter of public record and avalible to the public. Again do your home work.

"I see the pot calling the kettle black. where is the information backing up YOUR statements? You said he's wrong but you and backed it up with anything."


Complete Kickboxer- first post, you bring no information to the debate what so ever. You are singularily reactionary and contribute nothing by your post. I do admire your loyalty. Not only did I say the petition could be right but I said if I thought it was I would sign it in a second. You put yourself in the catagory mentioned unworthy of a future responce from me if your post is similar.

Brad - Either way as long as it is the best possible. You post with reason Brad and have always seemed concerned about the industry. You are a stakeholder (promoter) in the Alberta industry and as such you can approach the Commission in your area to be heard as one.

IKF - Yes I sit on a Commission, its no seceret.. I beleive you wiill respond to the statments I made in the head trama thread. I stand by those veiws 100%. In that thread I tried to be open as I could to relevant info coming in. Mr. Fossum you seem to respond in a professional and educated manner on most posts I have read from you. I would expect because of your position you may have a good scope of understanding in the industry.

Mark l - As soon as I see any drafts avalible to the public I will gladly post such.

Complete Kickboxer- Inflamatory and brings nothing to the debate, See responce #1.

Dan - Pay attention folks to the specifics here and how they will subtly change what is said. Pull up a chair


"I have heard from people I highly respect and trust, that the Calgary commission has endeavored in the past to make opressive and overly strict and
burdensome regulations on MT shows in Calgary".

Thats great Dan you heard from someone, I am more than confident to know who that person may be. Rather than make such claims Dan let me suggest a tact for you. As I perviously mentioned thse opresive and overly strict and burdensome regulations I would think are readily avalible. Would a man of reason not endeavor to aquire them in hand before making such claims. Furhter I suggest to you to request from the actual Promoter of the events in question to have a look at the sanctioning letter that would have gone out for each specific event in question. It will outline every overly strict, opressive and burdensome regulation in detail. Almost sounds way too easy does'nt it. Mr Craford's contact number is easyily avalible, I look forward to see this come to fruition Dan. The identity of the Promotor of events is part of the information avalible to the public fyi.


"And I sincerely believe that this is true-becasue of the fact that all the great international cards by Mr Miles and others which used to occur three
times a year were were virtually stopped by a lot of petty and burdensome regulations from the Calgary commission".

See above, the rational is a big jump based on hearsay.


"In fact, that commission has severely hampered and damaged MT in Canada, and thats unfortunate and regrettable. And now they seem to be at it once again."

Fact, I think not. See above. For someone with a self acknowledged understanding of Law you seem ready to put forward inflamatory, emotionally based opinion and represent it as fact.Please bring specific and verifiable evidence forward.



"So it would be very unwise, imho, to put any martial art, or anything at all for that matter, under THAT commission. In fact that commission in Calgary
actually ought to be either disbanded or have one year terms limits imposed for ALL members and chairpersons-retroactive to last year.

See above.You have a right to your opinion just as the public has a right to ask the rational behing the formation of those opinions. You base your recomendations to change the terms of the Commission on what specific experience, surley not the above rational. Please list it in full with a resulting risk assesment to the notion and please put forward additional models for comparrison. I will be glad to look at it. I have looked at this issue from all sides in the past and anticipate your ideas.

"Its a sad fact of life that some people tend to get arrogant,and power hungry and dictorial when they stay in public office too long.

More of the same, just emotional opinion based on what.


"I would also love to know if the MP sponsoring this power grab has any personal or business relationship with either a Calgary Commission member or a person with connections or financial interests to boxing promoters or others in that industry.Becasue the public has a right to know if there is any
conflict of interest".

Not a single piece of this supossed power grab has been brought forward, not one. Again opinion that is inflamatory, and the hugest of stretches based on what. Probably the the only bigger stretch is the next sentence. Wow! a Member of Parliment in a relationship with a Calgary Commission members. Man this is rich. Again sadly based on what.

Total fiction imo


Dan second post



"I dont think this new law makes anything illegal " per se" -in some many words. At least as I understand it.What this proposed law does do, as I understand it,is to put certain Indian Lands and military bases under the jurisdiction of this discredited and untrustworthy commission in Calgary which has brought Muay Thai to a halt in Calgary".

Not one minute detail of any new law has been brought forward by you or anyone else. But you are able to interpret the new law and even better understand the specifics. Before you make these huge jumps please bring at least something to the table to give it credibility. Total conjecture unsubstantiaited, where in all of this has there been anything but emotional opinions. Nothing here really.



"But, as it presently stands now , CAKMA was finally able to resume the great international fight cards Mr Miles used to schedule in Sun Centre, because the commission has no authority (at present) on Indian lands to regulate them out of business. And thats GOOD!! And it should remain that way for two reasons:"

I beleive the promoter of record for the events at the Sun Center was in fact Mr. Craford, as stated before this is a matter of public record. A small over sight at first but it will come into play imo later. The issue of cards on reservations is a long one both here in canada as well in the States Dan. Again an issue I am familliar with in detail not emotion. I will be attending the Association of Boxing Commission AGM in Vegas in July, this will be one of the major subjects disscussed which in my mind point to the importance of a lot of knowlwedgable invividuals in the industry seeking clarification and debate on this issue. Anyone interested in this issue plaese drop me an email and I will update you on what happens.
Or we can take Dans opinion that "thats good" because of:


1. The Indians should remain free to make their own decisions and retain their sovereighty over their own land. And, that is reason enough to oppose this power grab by tjhe commission.

Quite the statement. I do not pretend to have any understanding of the Canadian First Nations people and the specifics of their situation. It seems you have a very qualified one Dan, what do you base it on, or do we just throw these wide sweeping statments out there alone. If so can someone expect to be taken seriously? The last sentence more of the same, man this is getting one dimensional. What power grab Dan, let me guess the one your friend told you was happening.


2. Promoters should have the right to put on shows unhindered by petty, vindictive, fly specking commissioners motivated by a petty grudge.

I am having trouble taking you seriously, you are delving into the land of garnering a responce to a statment of this nature in unproductive and not worthy of a responce. You really do just throw them out there.



But, now the commission apparently can't stand the fact that somebody is having an event that they can't interfere with and hinder. So they are pushing for this ridiculous law placing ALL of Canada under the control of a commission.

So Dan now you know what the Commission thinks as well, let me guess your friend. The Commission pushing for this law, un true and guess what unsubstantiated, but very dramatic.


What the petition does, is to EXEMPT our sport from the authority of this proposed new law, which would empower the Calgary commission to once again start harrassing promoters for petty personal reasons .==

More of the same, boring.


===Actually, Mr Brackenberry, only an" idoit" (sic) would raise that as an issue when the link to the petition is right here in this very thread for anyone to read-assuming they CAN read, are willing to read, and sincerely want to know what it says. Selah...


Need a responce, not so much.

Eagle Knee- great post

Dan -third post


go here: http://www.mikemiles.com/federalpetition.pdf

That link explains that in addition to my concerns, previously expressed in this thread, there is an additional problem with section 83 of the Canadian criminal code.

section 83 defines all fights with fists as "prize fights". Then it goes on to say that all prize fights are illegal. EXCEPT for BOXING matches under the control of a commission.

Now, since all fights with fists (except boxing) are defined as "prize fights" and since "prize fights " are illegal-then that means all martial arts EXCEPT boxing under the supervision of a commission are illegal.

Therefore we want to send that petition to the parliament before they rewrite sec 83 of the canadian criminal code- which also exempts martial arts from the definition of "prizefighting" which is pre4sently illegal under section 83 of the criminal code.

dan

That is not what the code reads, further the current interpretation of it has allowed Muay Thai and MMA to be held across the majority of Canada completly legal. I did read ahead Dan and you actually get around to quoting the real code.
This is important because the perception here is actuall quite different from the facts. Another example how a few slight word changes can give a different flavor to a subject. Please dissregard this post as it is based on innaccurete information.

But Dan you still were very quick to jump on this band wagon with out checking the facts first. I take my hat off to you for bringing forward the correct wording in the posts ahead.

Are you the readers starting to get this. If took on face value all contests such as Muay Thai and MMA are illegal not so, not one iota. They are legal and go on quite successfully in Canada, lots of them. Yes they happen under a Commission, lets hear from Canadians across the country what they think of these events that go on. In BC, Quebec, Alberta all over. I think you will find the majority are estatic about what goes on, except for Pro Muay Thai and MMA in Ontario, this will change for the better. Quebec is the hot bed for all the arts way more that any other fyi.


OK thats the first installment, I hope it did not bore you to tears. Lets recap: Facts: few Emotion, accusations, changing the facts (slightly or not), lack of substantiation, hearsay and so on lots. As I said at the beginning this is nothing but pure spin, look it up in the dictionary this is text book.

I will carry on, when time permits.