Mark, this is getting redundant. You've obviously established your opinion, and your opinion is obviously based upon reading stuff written from one viewpoint.

Why don't you just say "These guys think the vegetarian diet sucks, and I believe them".

I mean...here's an example...

Do you question "why" the death rate is different between veg and non-veg people back in 1982? Do you think there is a substantial difference between 2006 and 1982 in terms of nutritional knowledge and vegetarian options in grocery stores and restaurants, not to mention the number of people who are vegetarian must be majorly increased since 1982?

You've made mention of what foods are "natural" to consume, but you don't ever address the issue of humans drinking milk that is intended for a baby cow. Doesn't that contradict the concept of "natural eating"?

I remember when you were once really a hardcore follower of the "Thai way" of training. Years later, you slowly changed your mind about many traditional thai training concepts, like overdosing on running, and incorporating strength training. It took you a while (years) to research the alternatives to the "Thai way". But back then, you were stubborn in defending the "Thai way" of doing things because they had proven themselves in the ring. If their way is wrong, then why do they compete so well?

Are you in another scenario where you are hardnosed into one way of thinking? Is it going to take you a couple of years before you research the other side of the argument in terms of vegetarian diet? You haven't mentioned one article that is pro-vegetarian, or provides the other side of the coin, and you think you are doing good research on the topic? I know there is a lot of information out there. Are you just choosing not to read it?

I don't see how you can feel comfortable with such a biased pool of research.