Guys, Guys, Guys....DO NOT EVER THINK THAT WHEN YOU TAKE STEROIDS OR ANY OTHER DRUG TO EXPECT TO MAKE GAINS JUST BY DOING SIMPLE TRAINING ROUTINES!!!! Guys who look the part TRAIN EXTREMELY HARD and get the most out of the drugs their using!! You push HEAVY weights you will get bigger, you sprint/run and use lighter weights with a super fast workout you will rip up and look like a grayhound! BUT.....the athletes DIET IS THE KEY to his/her peformance! Most actors you see that have abs, and arms are if anything...skinny. They look good on camera because they are lean at about 60 to 70 kilos, and don't forget the camera adds 10 pounds ESPECIALLY the HOLLYWOOD flicks! Nothing beats GOOD GENETICS and some do have it! BUT...if they want to make further gains the drugs can take them to extra ordinary levels,ie;LE Banner! Andy was not doing anything wrong at all, he knew how to train and stay strong (and lean) at the weight he chose! It does not mean that because Andy was smaller than the rest that he did something wrong in the way he used drugs, that is just dumb! Drugs do not necesserally mean you will get bigger it all goes back to the way you train! AGAIN...I say drugs are VERY wide spread in pro sport including K1!! MY OPINION!!