I have heard of some connections with protein powders and shoulders. I can easily think of how it effects them, but it effects the whole body. Having heard of some specifics connections but not knowing much about it I thought i'd put it out there and start to get some feed back. I intend to look into it more.

One thing, more general, is that the core supports the shoulders and hips. There is a criss cross of fascia that tightens when the core is activated that attaches to to shoulders and hips. This is easy to demonstrate in a few minutes. The strength of the shoulder girdle with core activated or not activated. My understanding though is that there might be something even more specific.

A couples hours of bloating is your body feeding back info that something you are ingesting is not digesting properly and causing inflammation.

No matter what 'science' (so they say when selling) says about anything the bigger truth is your bodies response.

The world was always round even when the belief was it was flat. Galileo's finds with his telescope were a tangible but the 'experts' at the time wrote off the info cause it didn't fit in their belief system. They wouldn't even look in it to see.

Your intention of respect or disrespect cannot effect me. My thoughts around it can. :) Thank you for sharing your thought on that.

An open mind to me does not mean just accepting things. It means taking them in and realizing that we don't know everything. Its being able to say "this isn't in my belief system or experience but I wonder if it could be true for me".
Its saying, "I don't know if this is true or this goes against my programming and experience, but I am curious if there might be something that resonates with me or if I might have an experience that could show me if it is true for me or not."

This type of thinking allows the possibility. It moves us more out of ego and 'knowing' and opens us up to the possibility that we don't know everything.

Dr Albert E -"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

Knowledge is knowing and limited to what we already know - funnily as we grow and change knowing seems to change a lot.

Medical text book facts are constantly changed. Coming from the point of view that we already know something closes us off to expansion and the possibility of a different truth or that what we know might not even be true.

So your attitude, in my perception, suggests to me that you not stuck in ego saying "yes!" or "no!". I hear "well, so far, my experience is this, my belief system seems to say this and I wonder if that is limited or if there is a possibility that there might be something I don't know"

It is recognizing parts and allowing for possibilities of either learning something knew, in terms of a new concept, or possibly reconfirming what you already belief by allowing it to be reconsidered.

Not being able to look at possibilities or not allowing the thought that what we believe might only be our perception at this point in time, to me means, we are operating out of ego who needs to hold onto beliefs to validate them and self.

Considering anyones thoughts to see if they may contain anything that for you, will strengthen your existing beliefs (if you find they do not work for you) or offer and opportunity to move towards a different view that is becoming true for you.

Thinking about what others share is always a win win. Ultimately agreeing or disagreeing or considering that that works for them and not for you is a step forward and more experience in your 'knowing' - in my perception and opinion at this time.

The question is for me - does it work for me? does it make sense to me? what is my experience if I do this?

My experience from using protein powders is gas and bloating. My experience with how I feel when I avoid things that bloat me is that I have more energy and feel better and get stronger and healthier. Therefore gas and bloating, to me, are somethig to avoid.

My studies support this. Without the experience of it it would be 'knowing' with the experience it becomes 'knowledge' or 'wisdom' for ME.

Someone elses experience may be totally different.

(my experience in observing others is that gas and bloating and digestive issues are related to food etc and realte to health, strength and energy.

I do know some people that seem to do well on some protein powders - truth is they take really expensive ones. Sometimes derived from goats milk and often from grass fed non-medicated cows and best yet from milk that has NOT been pasturized. This shit is expensive and rare.

My suggestion is to become more sensitive to the body and to start to trust your bodies innate wisdom and its signals to you no matter what anyone says!

What works for you may be vastly different than what works for me.

If you are short and stocky will it work for you to try to mimic Diesel Noi?

If you are Eskimo will it work for you to go on a vegitarian diet?

If you have an intolerance to carrots will eating carrots be good for you?

No matter what is true for someone else it is what works for you.

Muscle testing is a simple and great way to have a feed back mechanism of what is right for you.

If I have a client hold and apple and they test strong then there will be more good than harm from them eating and apple. If they test weak then there will be more harm than good from eating it.
(side note- depending on how you test the info is for right at the moment of the test. If you ate four apples and tested with an apple you would likely be weak. That doesn't mean apples are not good for you it means right now it is not. If you were over hydrated you may test weak to water-depends on how you test)

It takes out all theory and knowing and is a direct response from your body.
(this too is what works for me and from my experience :P)

"The body cannot lie."

I have yet to test someone strong on typical protein powders, soy, vegetarian, vegan, processed milk (dairy-except yogurt)...maybe there are people out there that might. I intend to be open to that possibility. As of yet it has not been my experience.

You can test n multis, different supplements etc
IF someone is selling something or only testing on their product beware. The tester CAN get in the way and influence the test.

I have done blind tests where I nor the person being tested knew what we were testing and results add up.

Blind test on soy and you will almost for sure get weak for example.