Oliver....there is no war mate...we're just discussing our view but at the same time keep it within the boundry. I have agreed with you in lots of your other posts, and this one here I don't....remember your the one who start this thread...people won't always agree with you. Just like when some agree with what I say, and some don't, but I don't go out of my way to try and use insulting words to express my strong feeling why this fighter is better than another and to prove them wrong. After all, the fight hasn't even happen.

As for Ray vs Le Banner, we dont know that too. We dont know who would win more times if they fight 10 times. I didn't even try to make any prediction. Maybe, Le Banner would win a couple more than Ray or the other way around or perhaps like Lucy said even. I am certain in one thing though if it happen, the first 3 will be OK to watch, but the rest will be boring and not many people are going to pay big dollar to go and watch. Unless of course it's free, which I doubt these guys would do it for free to prove your point...He!he!he!, That's why it's stupid and childish to even talk about it and compare it like that.

After Ray beat Adam Watts, you mentioned that the next time around, Ray would lose. Did I oppose you for that? No! You are entitle to your point. Even though I am no longer coaching Ray, I'm still a fan and a friend, but at the same time I'm trying to stay nutral as this is an open discussing site. Now you are going about it again...You kept saying you like Ray and respect him but at the same time contridicting yourself. I was just talking about alround skill level here. You brought up things that it's not even relevent to Mark Hunt and Jerome Le Banner's fight. In the K-1 heavywieght, it's like paper scissors and rock. Your almost convinced that the rock would win most of the time....if you get my drift...