Not a very good thread, because most
people are unable to put aside primal emotions-which is necessary for any *intelligent* debate.

Unfortunately, there is too much testorone
and too little dispassionate logic
driving some of these posts.

RE: The cage fight was between Deborah "Sunshine" Fettkether
That fight was not fake, btw, the guy was technically
outclassed yes. But he had the advantage that all men
have over any woman:

1. Superior muscle mass.Including larger neck muscles
which help absorb a punch.

2. Larger bone structure.

3. Fast Twitch muscles: which means fasrer reaction times and
greater explosive power, and being a faster starter.

4. More aggresion due to much more Testosterone.

Just my opinion: Its beyond ordinary stupidity to suggest that for such
a fight to be "fair" the woman should fight a male of equal size, and experience. No woman alive past or present
can be competitve under those requirements. That's fair? Not.

Really, gents, a woman no matter how good, cannot competitvely
fight a man of equal size and experience.
the guys who demand that are either sadists or know-nothings.
Sorry, but that is the truth.


Heres an interview of a woman who defeated a male 11 months.
her comments are quite insightful:

The interviewers initialks are "EMD"

The woman's initials are LM

Their identities are withheld here to protect
then from bein subjected to an orgy
of gratutious slanging, petty school boy insults etc.

heres the interview:

EMD: Congratulations on your victory!


LM: Thank you so much.


EMD: So how do you feel about this fight?


LM: How do I feel about this fight? I feel very good. I would not trade this experience for anything in my past. This experience really changed me in so many ways for the better.


EMD: In what ways?


LM: Well, having basically risen from the dead, so to speak, I feel so totally free, and liberated and at peace with myself and my ability to handle anything life throws at me. I realize in a way I never knew before that that nothing is over until it’s over. I also know I can never be discouraged again by any person or any situation.



EMD: What do you think about your opponent Mr. S ?


LM: He was very tough. He gave me a very hard fight.


EMD: He knocked you down three times. Were you surprised?


LM: Yes. I was surprised when I went down the first time and heard the count from outside the ring and realized I was on the canvass. I had never been down before. It was a very strange feeling.


EMD: You were crying in the first round when you went down. Why?


LM: I “teared up” because of the excruciating pain in my chest and rib cage. It was unbelievably intense. I have never experienced that kind of pain from a punch or kick before. I can still feel it now when I take a deep breath. I have never in my life been hit so hard and so many times.


EMD: Does Mr. S hit harder than any other opponent you have faced?


LM: No question. I actually feared that I was going to faint and lose consciousness due to the pain. I was very dizzy.


EMD: Have you have never been hit that hard by a woman fighter?


LM: Never. Not even close. I knew men could hit harder than us. But, I didn't realize just how much harder.


EMD: Haven’t you sparred with men before this fight?


LM: Of course. And I have sparred with men much bigger and stronger than my opponent today.


EMD: Are you saying that sparing with men is not the same as actually fighting them?


LM: It’s not the same at all! Those male sparring partners must have been going easy on me in the gym.



EMD: Why would they do such a thing?



LM: I think they were being nice and trying to build my confidence. But they were not being honest with me and probably not even with themselves. So I wasn't prepared for a man’s kind of power. Of course they did not know I would one day face a man in the ring who really intended to hurt me.



EMD: So your male sparring partners let you down then?



LM: They were preparing me for tough women, but not to face men in the ring. It's a different world. I was in shock when he hit me with these boxing combos. I would not have expected that from a man his size and age. I would like to remind all the lady fighters that male sparring partners instinctively take it easy with us. Ladies, do not believe them when they tell you they gave you their best shot. If they did, you would be down and out.




EMD: So, how would you advise other women who may have a male opponent in the future?


LM: Actually, I would advise them not to fight a man. Unless, they are an exceptional woman in an exceptional circumstance, with no other options available.



EMD: Why not?



LM: Well, because men are just too strong. Even if they are past their prime like my opponent, or have only mediocre skills they can still really hurt you.



EMD: Well women can hurt you too, can’t they?


LM: Oh yes! But not like a man has the potential to hurt you.



EMD: What do you mean by that?


LM: Men can explode with power so much faster than a woman. It's the fast twitch muscles, I think. Also our bodies can’t take as much trauma. Our bones are smaller. Our muscles are weaker, and our reaction times are slower.


EMD: So how do you think you were able to survive the first round?



LM: I prayed when I was on the canvass and asked the Lord to give me the grace to continue and face with dignity whatever was in store for me.


EMD So, he answered your prayer?


LM: He always answers my prayers.


EMD: Always?


LM: Always!


EMD: So you always get what you ask?


LM: You have to remember that “No” is also an answer. Sometimes his answer is no, when I ask for something that is not good for me or other people. So, I must accept his will for my life, including the bitter, because He works all things together for my good-even disappointments and pain. I only ask for grace to endure and persevere. Nothing more. I don't ask for selfish things like riches or an easy life with no problems.


EMD: So, your faith helps you win fights?


LM: No. My faith only helps me maintain my courage, and the grace to do my best and live every moment free of fear and anger or negative thinking-even in the middle of a fight.


EMD: In the fourth round you came out laughing. Why were you laughing in the middle of such a brutal fight?


LL: Oh yeah…There was this chick at ringside who had been cheering for me like a maniac nonstop from the beginning of the fight. Even when I was down, and looking like road kill, she was calling my name, and encouraging me. But in the fourth (or was it the fifth?) when I came out she said something about my opponent to the effect that he was basically mine so go get him. But the unique way she phrased it was just so funny, it cracked me up.


EMD: What did she say?


LM: That's a secret.


EMD: Why don't you whisper it in my ear?


LM: I am a prude in mixed company and it was really kind of bawdy. So, I am a little embarrassed to use that kind of shall we say “colorful” phrase especially with Mr. S is standing next to me. But, I laughed in spite of myself. Because the essence of it was so true.

But whoever she was she was there when I needed encouragement the most! I found out later that my Mom had left the arena in tears went down the first time. So this little chick, whoever she was, really stood in the gap for me.


EMD: In the fifth round you were dancing around with your arms down and talking to Mr. S What were you saying?


LM: I don't remember that quite honestly.


EMD He seemed to be taunting you in the first round. Was that paybacks?


LM: A little tit for tat? Sure!


IMD: Is that good sportsmanship?


LM: Of course! It’s just the mental part of the game. You have to beat your opponent mentally too. That's at least half the fight. It’s not personal. That's just fighting. We leave all that in the ring. I just wanted to remind him I was the one dancing and in control at the end.



EMD: So why did you decide to fight against a man?



LM: I would generally prefer a female opponent if possible. I could not afford to be choosy this time. My original female opponent pulled out of the event a few weeks before fight time. And we looked very hard for another 160-pound woman who was ready to turn pro. But, we could not find anyone. And my parents and siblings had already purchased air tickets from Hawaii to Georgia, so I was willing to fight almost anyone they offered me.



EMD: Were you nervous about fighting a man?


LM: No, I was not afraid. But I also had no idea what was in store for me.


EMD You mean because of the power of his punching?



LM: Absolutely. My ribs are still hurting me when I take a breath. I am going to get them x-rayed when I get back to Honolulu. By the way, he had Ko’d a male opponent 18 months before fighting me.



EMD: Well you knocked out Mr. S in spite of his power. How do you explain that?


LM: Yes. Well, I have more fighting skills than he does, and I also outsmarted him strategically. I also whipped him mentally.


EMD: You said women should be very cautious and selective in choosing a male opponent. Did you carefully choose Mr. S?


LM: I am not a fool, and I am not a world-class fighter either. All fighters screen their opponents. But, you didn't know that, did you?


EMD: But, you knew you could beat him, right?


LM: I thought I could beat Mr. S, But I had no guarantee of that. I also knew that he had some strong boxing and kickboxing skills that could present me with a strong challenge. He tested me like I have never been tested before. In fact, he came within one second of knocking me out in the first round. He was no pushover, and it would be very disrespectful to both of us to imply otherwise.


EMD: So, you thought Mr. S had a chance to beat you?


TLM: He had a chance, yes, and he nearly succeeded. Were you not at the fight?



EMD: Are you saying he is the toughest opponent you have ever fought?


LM: Absolutely!



EMD: Have you knocked out all of your opponents?


LM: No. I also have two losses on my record. One was an amateur boxing loss by decision, and the other one was an MMA loss by submission.


EMD: So how can he be the toughest of your opponents if he lost to you, and two people have defeated you?


LM: Mr. Sis not the toughest MMA opponent I have fought. That would be Megumi Yabushita. Mr. S is the toughest boxer I have ever faced and also the toughest kick boxer I have ever faced.


EMD: So you have a boxing loss, and yet Mr. S whom you Kod is a better boxer than the woman who beat you?


LM: Yes, he is.


EMD: Please explain that. It doesn’t make sense.


Mr. Scame within one second of knocking me out. My amateur boxing opponent out pointed me seven years ago, but, she could never stand up to Mr. S's punching power. And I dare say neither could any female I have fought so far.


EMD: What about Ms Yabushita?


LM: I am talking about kickboxing opponents only. Standup striking sports are totally different from MMA. Ms Yabushita would school Mr. S in MMA-as she did me.


EMD: So you are the exceptional woman in kickboxing who could defeat Mr. S?



LM: No. I didn’t say that.


EDS: So what other female kick boxers do you think could also defeat Mr. S ?


LM: I think certainly Germaine de Randamie and Mrs. Parr would be too much for him.


EMD: Any others?


LM: Vivian Leung.




EMD: Isn’t Ms Leung 25 to 30 pounds lighter than Mr. S ?


LM: Yes, but she is also world class and ranked third in the world. Plus, she is much younger and in much better condition. She is considerably faster, and most importantly she has the explosiveness to overwhelm him because she is a very fast starter. If that's not enough, she also has far superior clinching and knee skills. It's a no brainer.


EMD: A no-brainer?



LM: A no-brainer.



EMD: So, you would advise Ms. Leung to take that fight?



LM: I would advise Mr. S NOT to accept that fight.
.


EMD: Will you give Mr. S a rematch?



LM: Sure…if he asks for a rematch, and the promoter wants that to happen…fine!



EMD: Do you think you can beat him again?



LM: Without a doubt!



EMD: By another KO?


LM: By a very quick KO.


EMD: Thank you for your time.


LM: You are welcome.

end of interview
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Marcus, I agree with much of what you say,
but I am puzzled as to why you are so emotionally roused by these fights?

BTW: I could list several fights where the woman won over a less skilled and less experienced man. And many more where the less experienced male kod the female' like Somchai Jaidee vs Lucia Rijker. Or Michale Christophel vs Melita Carnavas (by points)or Joe Hess Ko of Bess Bussey. but I wont fillthe opage with examples of documented male female fights that were not "worked".
(of course of these are obviously choreagraphed, for the pleasure of MEN!)



Dan