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Marco S
Posted: 2010-03-15 17:39:16
**if relative opposites are polarized, as I believe they are, the more off balance anything is the greater the magnetic pull in the other direction...

hardship pushes towards success... doesn't mean it will lead to but if the will or body is not too broken it will push back... sneak up on someone and start to push them and they will resist.**


Just to comment on this idea first.
Firstly, I definitely like the idea, and it makes 100% sense, both thinking about it and seeing it in everyday life.

Referring to the "pulled in one direction to push in the other direction" analogy; I think the actual momentum as such, begins with that person striving for something. As oppose to having something negative happen initially.
Cause if you don't try to get something good, and have that expectation, then you don't know what it feels like to be denied it.

I'm sure there's a more comprehensible way to put it..
But I think it refers to what your saying about polar opposites, which I think you may have already pointed out already - if you don't know hot, then you never know cold.
So to feel disappointment we must first feel hope, or have ambition.

Then, with the setback, the swinging of the pendulum in the opposite direction (the disappointment/frustration/other negative things, side of the spectrum) in turn propels us to swing back harder towards the positive side,
i.e. swing back with more hope, more enthusiasm, more dedication and of course the wisdom and knowledge we may have taken from our setback.

In Lance Armstrongs case, I can't see what wisdom he may have taken from his cancer experience that he could have applied to his cycling. But purely in terms of the fact that cancer brought the pendulum so far into the negative spectrum, the fact that he could sustain himself throughout that without "falling over", to take a reference of your analogy; this gave him the vigor or allowed him to draw from the strength he gained through overcoming his ordeal, and apply it to his cycling.

Yeah, looking over your post again, I see this is the exact point which you made already :)


But yes, I think the whole idea is something that's very evident on a day to day basis.
A challenger sets his sights high on defeating the champion. He does not succeed, but the pendulum motion, so to speak, of the loss and the feeling of disappointment, propels him back, and gives him the strength/dedication to return that much stronger and then defeat the champion.

The degree to which the pendulum will swing into the negative spectrum is directly proportional to the degree to which it was pushed into the positive spectrum initially.
So in terms of the quantity of negativity, perhaps mentally "breaking" the fighter, or "pushing him over", again using the separate analogy; this should not be the case. But it should take him to the limit, the breaking point limit.
Or at least that's the way I see it in theory.
Perhaps this, in real life, only happens in very extreme cases.
But in any case, with the negative swing being proportional to the positive swing, it should not take him over the breaking point limit... ??

I think I've gone off on a bit of a tangent there..

In any case, the idea now makes thorough sense: The fact that he refused to become discouraged by his defeat and embrace that feeling, is what gave him the strength to return, I guess, stronger, the next time.

I wonder what's the case with guys like Fedor Emelienenko?
He never lost. Where did he get his drive from? Perhaps overcoming other hardships in his personal life? I guess he was brought up in a poor family and served time in the Russian army. I'm sure he had some tough obstacles to overcome in relation to both of those.


Just lastly, I'm a sucker for the romance novels.
Not that it's entirely romance, but Jilly Cooper has a recurring theme in, I think pretty much all of her books, that relates to this idea somehow I think.

In each book, upon the culmination of the story, there is a union of two unlikely characters.
Throughout the book, she describes how the union comes about; but always it's a case of back and forth. As in, that pendulum motion, back and forth.
Hopes raised high, only to be dashed.
In other words, it's a very intrepid journey.

But the fact that with each setback, or oscillation, from the positive into the negative; the hope becomes higher each time. It makes their feelings for each other that much stronger with each swing, so when the union does eventually occur, it has set a very strong, as Jilly describes it, almost unbreakable foundation for the relationship; two people hugely devoted to each other, in an almost indelible fashion.
But this is brought about by the swinging back and forth of the hope/disappointment pendulum. i.e. each setback, once overcome, strengthens their devotion to each other, thus creating something almost assuredly lasting and enduring.

I guess just another way the idea as a whole can be applied to everyday life that doesn't take a form so obvious as two guys fighting each other, with the defeated subsequently emerging the victor; or overcoming obstacles to attain ones goals.

**

In relation to one or two of the previous idea's mentioned:

*Freedom of choice exists to the degree that one is consciously aware (most of us, most of the time seem to think we are more consciously aware, which to me means becoming more aware of the unconscious or else you wouldn't be conscious of it, right?, *

This makes sense to me. Choice is not really an option when your not aware of something therefore the belief in freedom of choice will take precedence over the belief of pre-destiny in so far as we have that awareness.
Maybe we just use the idea of pre-destiny as an excuse for having been to lazy to develop that awareness?? :/
But I guess that can't possibly be relative to every situation?

e.g. how was the guy to know he was gonna get hit with the bolt of lightening?
I dunno; that example is obviously a bit extreme but it relates the general idea?

**

In terms of the idea referring to paradoxical situations; to make sense it must make no sense, and how that can be applied to a situation.. it's gonna take some thinking about to try and understand that one.

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