Just one quick question I'd just like to throw out there.

So I'll make a statement that may or may not be correct and be open to criticism on it:

1) Some people operate mainly from instinct. They go on what the have a "gut" feeling on. They will pick up things, learning etc, from experience, on a subconscious level.

2) Others operate more consciously. They must analyze what they do and deduce consciously the reason or means behind doing it in order - to do it.

In other words, take for example, I dunno, learning a new technique in thai boxing.
I think, the majority - I dunno, I guess - of people will gain an understanding of the technique by repetition.
In other words, they get "a feel" for it. They are unaware, to a degree, of the cause for the improvement in the technique but the subconscious or instinct has developed, through experience, "a feel" for how to do it and it has been learned in this sense.
And so the technique has been programmed in their subconscious through their experience of preforming it - their repetition.

Now, some people have a complete incapacity do to this. To get "a feel" for what they're doing.
To preform the technique they must consciously understand the mechanics behind doing it.
Say for example with throwing the knee.

The mechanics being; the generation of momentum from the pendulum motion of the knee from 0 to 90 degrees and the transference of the momentum into the horizontal direction or Y-vector by thrusting the hips forward - along the horizontal plane - and turning on the ball of the foot so the body shifts forward again - on a horizontal plane.
Thus the momentum of the knee collides horizontally, perpendicularly (most effectively) with the vertical plane of the opposing body.


So that's the statement:
The learning and programming takes place on a subconscious level for those being case (1)
The programs are stored subconsciously for those being case (2) but the actual learning takes place on a conscious level.

Maybe this is not the case as regards everything, but what I think is - and this is the point of my making this statement - for some people, they rely more heavily on the conscious understanding as oppose to the subconscious "getting a feel for something" and as a result their subconscious programming can often be MORE ACCURATE! - ???

Now, as regards your statement above;

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So the conscious mind, as I see it, gives us feed back to our belief systems through our experiences...

If we don't like our experiences then it makes sense to me too seek out subconscious programming and consider reprogramming the mind in a way that offers us the experiences we choose... that is moving towards freedom of choice also i think...
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For the person in case (1), say they want to throw the knee better, improve their technique - this "reprogramming" that you have described - it will be more difficult for this person, as they have done the learning through experience and in order to change their technique they will have to consider it on a conscious level - consider every facet and detail of the technique.

For the person in case (2), if they want to improve their technique, the adjustment will not be as near as difficult, as they have learned it on a conscious level - BUT - unfortunately for them, until the point that they took it upon themselves to understand the mechanics consciously, their ability to throw the knee was ZERO.
No matter how much repetition they did, they could not "get a feel" for the technique.
And again - BUT, when they did come to understand the technique consciously, their conscious understanding developed a technique that was more thorough or correct - much of the time - than the person in case (1) where the technique was developed through repetition.

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Now, more everyday application of the above:

I read recently about a case of a lady that divorced from her husband.
She described her meeting of him, how it was "love at first sight". A very chemical type experience and a very strong physical attraction.

She described also how her ex-partner, to a strong degree, mimicked the characteristics of father.
She also described how her relationship with her father was quite tumultuous - he was controlling, abusive etc.
This also recurred with her ex-partner (in her opinion, due to the similarity in characteristics of the people that they are) - the controlling and abusive behavior, ultimately leading to their separation.

The cause of the attraction, she stated - or as was her belief - was her FAMILIARITY with this type of person.
She had developed this programming through her past experience, and her future attractions were thus determined by this programming.

In this sense, her "freedom of choice" as to who she may or may not be attracted to, or the degree to which she may have been attracted, was limited to what she had experience of - what she had been programmed with.

She described her intention to work on "reprogramming" her subconscious, but how it would be difficult as she had always been the type to develop things on a "gut" level, on a subconscious level.
i.e. a case (1) person, as above.


Would this make sense, or is there part of that where I may be going wide of the mark a bit??

My main area of thought revolves around the case (2) person.
The degree to which they rely on conscious understanding of something to develop the programming.
How there is a complete inability to develop this programming through experience, as such, to "get a feel" for something.
This is obviously detrimental in a case where that person has not set aside the time or effort to develop this understanding.

Has there been cases of where someone would be such an extreme case of this that they may need to set aside time to consciously comprehend things so fundamental such as, I dunno, say - facial expression.
What the various expressions and facial movements communicate - something which I believe is almost 100% developed by most people on a subconscious level, again, through the experience of the communication that they have had.

Perhaps this is a facet of human evolution - the leaning away from instinct more towards conscious understanding?
After all, they say humans only actually use a very small percentage of their brains.
Just some wild speculation there!

There's a well known mma fighter, Bas Rutten, who I've heard comment again and again that fighting is 100% in the mind.
Everything comes from the mind. There will be no physical manifestation unless it is preceded by the mental one.
If you want to get better at something, you think about it, develop the understanding.

Perhaps my question is, is it heard of that this could extend to the point I have described above - to the most fundamental things?
Where we actually have to set aside time and effort to develop this understanding - again, of things that are so fundamental?


Hope that hasn't been too much a vague rambling!!