just noticed the comments ref: what trainers / teachers /instructors / coaches / kru whatever you like to call us / them ? :-p

Whats it got to do if the Instructor wasnt a champion or even a fighter? if he (she) can produce fighters and good thai boxing students also and champions then they "Must" be Good and qualified and have earned their stripes !
gradings etc: and courses and seminars (paper qualified) is just that... and im not calling it before you say ? / ask/ as im got quite a few of the above, but its the action that speaks louder than words of who and how youve taught etc:
Like some mentioned above and i might be wrong ( correct me if iam sorry)
have maybe had a fight or 2? or never fought to my knowledge?
dave jackson
dean white
and others im sure of it ! and sdo what?
daz morris as your talking about him i know hes had a fight i was in his corner lol
but whats that matter? Look at who hes taught and produced and look at his Promoter skills TOP notch the Best in Britain imo and matchmaking etc: etc:
daz morris has been helping and assisting me for years and im thankfull and glad he has he has a a very forward thinking and astute brain in muay thai !
yep darren phillips is the exception as you pointed out and had i think it was, 10 fights with me at Bolton Thai boxing Club, his first 12 years in his long and succesful carear to date, and fought 3 Big names back then
Eval Denton ( world champ )
Peter crooke ( world champ)
Chris Allen ( who beat JWparr btw )
so i really dont think any of these or others need questioning re: "have / wnho they fought"/ look at who they have taught and teaching they all done amazing and full on respect for earning their "stripes" the hard way if they havent been in the ring or once or twice? thery All still get my vote ! "quality guys"