no mate when you have clinched with the best clinchers it becomes very apparent that we will never ever catch up with them, iv clinched simon marcus a few times who is world number one at about 85kgs and iv done alright iv clinched ikusan wor santai who is 50 kgs size of you average 14 year old and been absolutely demolished ikusan isnt even a top stadium fighter hes fought in the stadiums but not at any level, we will never compete with them in that aspect. good clinch gyms in thailand have 1hr of cinch in the morning and one hour of clinch in the afternoon after training. after doing that for 10 years against other top quality clinchers they get this kind of knack, its the old none fighters that seem to be the best though the ones training the up coming/top fighters, my old coach attanchai pinsinchai was classed only as a B level stadium fighter but when you clinched him you had NOT A chance in the world of doing anything to him another guy i clinched of equal level to that is rajasak sor vorapin, you are putty in their hands. attanchai would make you think you were safe for a second then double you up so hard it would creak your back, all while using zero effort. iv clinched loads of the absolute top clinchers in the uk between 60-80kgs at one point or another and none come close. one lad that was very good that i was shocked with was a guy called domonic i think hes from jesse's gym but i also believe he had spent a few years in thailand fighting. the best ferrang clincher iv clinched with is a guy from america called glen cordoza he has a back ground in college wrestling and high level in bjj which certainly help in his understanding of the dynamics he also is the most athletic guy iv ever trained with actually between him and simon marcus, simon is incredibly athletic also