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IKF Kickboxing
Posted: 2002-09-05 15:01:42
Posted: 2002-09-05 15:01:42
OK Boys... Enough fighting about all this.
To respond to some of the issues, instead we will ask some simple questions.
We will respond in UPPERCASE to easier separate the questions from the answers. It's not YELLING...
Mainly directed to Rockhard from his wondering thoughts;
Rockhard Asked:
1) How long will Alexio be the champion under your rules before his title is vacated as nobody has challenged him?
IKF RESPONSE;
WE WILL DO "THE RIGHT THING" WHICH IS, ALLOW HIM TO KEEP HIS TITLE UNTIL SOMEONE CHALLENGES HIM AND THERE IS A PURSE ISSUE OR UNTIL HE OFFICIALLY RETIRES HIS TITLE. "THIS" IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HE'S NOT "HURTING" ANYONE BY REMAINING CHAMPION... THIS IS THE SIMPLE FACT HERE. HOWEVER, IF CHALLENGED FROM A FIGHTER WHO HAS A PROMOTER LINED UP TO PROMOTE THE BOUT AND PAY ALL THE PURSES, I DOUBT DENNIS WOULD REFUSE, UNLESS THE PURSE OFFER WAS A JOKE. AT THAT POINT, THE IKF BOARD WOULD DETERMINE WHAT IS A FAIR PURSE OFFER AND WHY.
Rockhard Asked:
2) Champions fight and want to fight. From my limited knowledge, it does not seem like he wants to fight or he might already be fighting some of the big names today. He is not. Not only that but it seems like boxing DOES have the right idea having people be 'forced' as you put it into fighting every year. They shouldn't have to be forced if they are a true champion and most fighters fight at the very least 1-2x per year.
IKF RESPONSE;
DENNIS "DID THIS". HE PROMOTED AS MANY AS 4-6 TIMES A YEAR IN HAWAII, BUT NO ONE EVER OFFERED HIM A BOUT. IT WAS ALWAYS, "PAY ME TO FIGHT ON YOUR SHOW DENNIS". AFTER "SEVERAL" YEARS OF DOING THIS, HE JUST GOT TIRED OF DOING IT... ANYONE WOULD WOULD. DENNIS PROMOTED HIS OWN EVENTS MORE THAN "ANY" CHAMPION WE KNOW OF PAST OR PRESENT. BET YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS WERE YOU...
Rockhard Asked:
3) Boxing's organizations are indeed a joke but they don't allow the fighters to lay idle as champions for numerous years without ever fighting. A fighter who is a champion needs to fight...Bernard Hopkins fought for years making small purses before he finally made it with the Trinidad fight.
IKF RESPONSE;
YOUR MISSING THE POINT HERE "STILL". "WHO, OTHER THAN THE PROMOTERS OF THE LONGINIDIS VS ALEXIO FIGHT, HAS OFFERED DENNIS A FIGHT IN THE LAST 5 YEARS ON AN EVENT NOT IN HAWAII... LET US ANSWER FOR YOU,,, "NO ONE!" HOPKINS "DID" GET OFFERED FIGHTS. HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HOPKINS "IS NOT" A PROMOTER.
Rockhard Asked:
4) I never have liked Alexio personally from what I have seen of him but a) that doesn't mean if I knew him I would feel that way and b) nor do I deny that he was very talented and c) what I think about him really doesn't matter as it doesn't affect his skill level. I am not disputing that he was very talented.
IKF RESPONSE;
WE AGREE.
Rockhard Asked:
5) Perhaps I am wrong but while I understand you don't wish to force anyone to pay sanctioning fees, shouldn't you FORCE the top rated contender and the champion to fight? I mean, if they can't agree on the purse, then shouldn't it go to a purse bid or is that too optomistic?
IKF RESPONSE;
ROCKHARD, AGAIN, YOU ARE MISSING THE "SIMPLE FACT" HERE. "WHO SHOULD PROMOTE A FIGHT? WHO SHOULD PAY DENNIS AND AN OPPONENT? DO YOU "TRULY" THINK HOPKINS WOULD HAVE PROMOTED HIS OWN SHOWS ALL THOSE YEARS? OF COURSE NOT. "NO" BOXER HAS! NONE!! SO WHY SHOULD WE "EXPECT" KICKBOXING CHAMPIONS TO DO WHAT BOXING CHAMPIONS DO WHEN THE ISSUES ARE "VERY" DIFFERENT!? HERE'S ONE FOR YOU, IF "YOU" PERSONALLY FEEL DENNIS RETAINING HIS TITLE IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE AND SUCH A TERRIBLE THING FOR THE IKF TO ALLOW, WHY DON'T YOU PROMOTE THE FIGHT? OK, NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK HERE, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT ALL. REGARDLESS OF "PURSE AMOUNTS", THE FACT IS, "WHO" WANTS TO PROMOTE IT?
Rockhard Asked:
While I understand the intent of the IKF and feel it is trying to do side with the fighter and not income, I can't understand the logic of - NO ONE has made any formal challenge towards Dennis so he will remain champion until he is challenged and loses. What is that?
IKF RESPONSE;
AGAIN, WHAT DON'T YOU GET???? WHAT DO "YOU" EXPECT US TO DO? IF NO ONE IS CHALLENGING HIM, IT MUST MEAN NO ONE ELSE WANTS THE TITLE MAYBE? OR, NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM. EVER THINK OF THAT? HEY, LETS BE HONEST HERE. WE ASKED FIGHTERS LIKE MAURICE SMITH AND OTHERS IF THEY WOULD FIGHT DENNIS, OF COURSE ALL SAID YES. NEXT WE ASKED, "WOULD YOU FIGHT HIM IN FULL CONTACT RULES?" SURPRISE... "ALL" SAID NO! "UNLESS" THE MONEY WAS RIGHT. SO YOU SEE, IT'S NOT JUST DENNIS, ASK ANY OF YOUR K-1 FIGHTERS IF THEY WOULD FIGHT DENNIS UNDER "FULL CONTACT RULES?" AND WE BET NO ONE WOULD CHANGE OVER FOR HIM, SO WHY DO YOU FEEL HE NEDS TO CHANGE FOR THEM? IT'S "TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT RULE STYLES!!!" IS MICHAEL JORDAN A CHUMP AND A LOSER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL? DON'T YOU GET THIS???
Rockhard Asked:
You are the sanctioning body, why don't you mandate that he defends his title?
IKF RESPONSE;
OK, WE WILL. AND WE ASK YOU TO PROMOTE IT AND PAY THE PURSES. "SEE WHERE THIS BECOMES COMPLICATED?" WHY SHOULD WE "FORCE" ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING? FIGHTERS, PROMOTERS, TRAINERS... WHY? FOR MONEY?? SORRY, NOT OUR STYLE.
Rockhard Asked:
I just don't believe that a champion can sit on his ass for 4 years and still keep his title. Is that right or wrong? In my eyes, money or not, sanctioning fees or not, he needs to defend his title.
IKF RESPONSE;
AGAIN, WHAT WE, THE IKF IS DOING IN THIS CASE "IS" THE RIGHT THING TO DO! NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS. ANY OTHER OPTION, WITHOUT ANOTHER PROMOTER STEPPING UP MEANS MONEY OUT OF "THE CHAMPIONS" POCKET. "WHY" WOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING TO "ANY" FIGHTER.
And for the record, Longinidis did not retire Dennis. He won his IKF Title and "SEVERAL" more fights after the Longinidis fight. What Stan may have done was keep Dennis from fighting leg kicks again. HOWEVER, we ask again, WHO of all these leg kick fighters will fight Dennis in full contact rules? VERY FEW. So WHY should we expect Dennis to jump into their ring under their rules. Hey, he tried it, didn't do as good as he wished, end of story. He played their game, lets see some of them play his.
We do know one person who would give Dennis a GREAT Full Contact Rules fight, RICK ROUFUS! Lets hope someone opens their eyes and makes this possible, for it may already be too late...
To respond to some of the issues, instead we will ask some simple questions.
We will respond in UPPERCASE to easier separate the questions from the answers. It's not YELLING...
Mainly directed to Rockhard from his wondering thoughts;
Rockhard Asked:
1) How long will Alexio be the champion under your rules before his title is vacated as nobody has challenged him?
IKF RESPONSE;
WE WILL DO "THE RIGHT THING" WHICH IS, ALLOW HIM TO KEEP HIS TITLE UNTIL SOMEONE CHALLENGES HIM AND THERE IS A PURSE ISSUE OR UNTIL HE OFFICIALLY RETIRES HIS TITLE. "THIS" IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HE'S NOT "HURTING" ANYONE BY REMAINING CHAMPION... THIS IS THE SIMPLE FACT HERE. HOWEVER, IF CHALLENGED FROM A FIGHTER WHO HAS A PROMOTER LINED UP TO PROMOTE THE BOUT AND PAY ALL THE PURSES, I DOUBT DENNIS WOULD REFUSE, UNLESS THE PURSE OFFER WAS A JOKE. AT THAT POINT, THE IKF BOARD WOULD DETERMINE WHAT IS A FAIR PURSE OFFER AND WHY.
Rockhard Asked:
2) Champions fight and want to fight. From my limited knowledge, it does not seem like he wants to fight or he might already be fighting some of the big names today. He is not. Not only that but it seems like boxing DOES have the right idea having people be 'forced' as you put it into fighting every year. They shouldn't have to be forced if they are a true champion and most fighters fight at the very least 1-2x per year.
IKF RESPONSE;
DENNIS "DID THIS". HE PROMOTED AS MANY AS 4-6 TIMES A YEAR IN HAWAII, BUT NO ONE EVER OFFERED HIM A BOUT. IT WAS ALWAYS, "PAY ME TO FIGHT ON YOUR SHOW DENNIS". AFTER "SEVERAL" YEARS OF DOING THIS, HE JUST GOT TIRED OF DOING IT... ANYONE WOULD WOULD. DENNIS PROMOTED HIS OWN EVENTS MORE THAN "ANY" CHAMPION WE KNOW OF PAST OR PRESENT. BET YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THIS WERE YOU...
Rockhard Asked:
3) Boxing's organizations are indeed a joke but they don't allow the fighters to lay idle as champions for numerous years without ever fighting. A fighter who is a champion needs to fight...Bernard Hopkins fought for years making small purses before he finally made it with the Trinidad fight.
IKF RESPONSE;
YOUR MISSING THE POINT HERE "STILL". "WHO, OTHER THAN THE PROMOTERS OF THE LONGINIDIS VS ALEXIO FIGHT, HAS OFFERED DENNIS A FIGHT IN THE LAST 5 YEARS ON AN EVENT NOT IN HAWAII... LET US ANSWER FOR YOU,,, "NO ONE!" HOPKINS "DID" GET OFFERED FIGHTS. HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HOPKINS "IS NOT" A PROMOTER.
Rockhard Asked:
4) I never have liked Alexio personally from what I have seen of him but a) that doesn't mean if I knew him I would feel that way and b) nor do I deny that he was very talented and c) what I think about him really doesn't matter as it doesn't affect his skill level. I am not disputing that he was very talented.
IKF RESPONSE;
WE AGREE.
Rockhard Asked:
5) Perhaps I am wrong but while I understand you don't wish to force anyone to pay sanctioning fees, shouldn't you FORCE the top rated contender and the champion to fight? I mean, if they can't agree on the purse, then shouldn't it go to a purse bid or is that too optomistic?
IKF RESPONSE;
ROCKHARD, AGAIN, YOU ARE MISSING THE "SIMPLE FACT" HERE. "WHO SHOULD PROMOTE A FIGHT? WHO SHOULD PAY DENNIS AND AN OPPONENT? DO YOU "TRULY" THINK HOPKINS WOULD HAVE PROMOTED HIS OWN SHOWS ALL THOSE YEARS? OF COURSE NOT. "NO" BOXER HAS! NONE!! SO WHY SHOULD WE "EXPECT" KICKBOXING CHAMPIONS TO DO WHAT BOXING CHAMPIONS DO WHEN THE ISSUES ARE "VERY" DIFFERENT!? HERE'S ONE FOR YOU, IF "YOU" PERSONALLY FEEL DENNIS RETAINING HIS TITLE IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE AND SUCH A TERRIBLE THING FOR THE IKF TO ALLOW, WHY DON'T YOU PROMOTE THE FIGHT? OK, NOT TRYING TO BE A JERK HERE, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT ALL. REGARDLESS OF "PURSE AMOUNTS", THE FACT IS, "WHO" WANTS TO PROMOTE IT?
Rockhard Asked:
While I understand the intent of the IKF and feel it is trying to do side with the fighter and not income, I can't understand the logic of - NO ONE has made any formal challenge towards Dennis so he will remain champion until he is challenged and loses. What is that?
IKF RESPONSE;
AGAIN, WHAT DON'T YOU GET???? WHAT DO "YOU" EXPECT US TO DO? IF NO ONE IS CHALLENGING HIM, IT MUST MEAN NO ONE ELSE WANTS THE TITLE MAYBE? OR, NO ONE WANTS TO FIGHT HIM. EVER THINK OF THAT? HEY, LETS BE HONEST HERE. WE ASKED FIGHTERS LIKE MAURICE SMITH AND OTHERS IF THEY WOULD FIGHT DENNIS, OF COURSE ALL SAID YES. NEXT WE ASKED, "WOULD YOU FIGHT HIM IN FULL CONTACT RULES?" SURPRISE... "ALL" SAID NO! "UNLESS" THE MONEY WAS RIGHT. SO YOU SEE, IT'S NOT JUST DENNIS, ASK ANY OF YOUR K-1 FIGHTERS IF THEY WOULD FIGHT DENNIS UNDER "FULL CONTACT RULES?" AND WE BET NO ONE WOULD CHANGE OVER FOR HIM, SO WHY DO YOU FEEL HE NEDS TO CHANGE FOR THEM? IT'S "TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT RULE STYLES!!!" IS MICHAEL JORDAN A CHUMP AND A LOSER BECAUSE HE DIDN'T PLAY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL? DON'T YOU GET THIS???
Rockhard Asked:
You are the sanctioning body, why don't you mandate that he defends his title?
IKF RESPONSE;
OK, WE WILL. AND WE ASK YOU TO PROMOTE IT AND PAY THE PURSES. "SEE WHERE THIS BECOMES COMPLICATED?" WHY SHOULD WE "FORCE" ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING? FIGHTERS, PROMOTERS, TRAINERS... WHY? FOR MONEY?? SORRY, NOT OUR STYLE.
Rockhard Asked:
I just don't believe that a champion can sit on his ass for 4 years and still keep his title. Is that right or wrong? In my eyes, money or not, sanctioning fees or not, he needs to defend his title.
IKF RESPONSE;
AGAIN, WHAT WE, THE IKF IS DOING IN THIS CASE "IS" THE RIGHT THING TO DO! NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS. ANY OTHER OPTION, WITHOUT ANOTHER PROMOTER STEPPING UP MEANS MONEY OUT OF "THE CHAMPIONS" POCKET. "WHY" WOULD WE CHOOSE TO DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING TO "ANY" FIGHTER.
And for the record, Longinidis did not retire Dennis. He won his IKF Title and "SEVERAL" more fights after the Longinidis fight. What Stan may have done was keep Dennis from fighting leg kicks again. HOWEVER, we ask again, WHO of all these leg kick fighters will fight Dennis in full contact rules? VERY FEW. So WHY should we expect Dennis to jump into their ring under their rules. Hey, he tried it, didn't do as good as he wished, end of story. He played their game, lets see some of them play his.
We do know one person who would give Dennis a GREAT Full Contact Rules fight, RICK ROUFUS! Lets hope someone opens their eyes and makes this possible, for it may already be too late...
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