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Felix
Posted: 2003-06-02 22:58:32
okay brian,

here are my thoughts.
let me first sum up the three senarios. i'll call them s1, s2 and s3. for simplicity i'll leave out the second fight where bernardo did the lion tamer pose. in most of your examples it simply means no change in the rankings.

s1
before B=10 G=30
after B=15 G=20

s2
before B=2 G=15
after B=7 G=8

s3
before B=7 G=9
after B=9 G=7

here are the first things i noticed about this system. some fighters moved up without beating bernardo. look at s2. all the fighters from #3 to #7 slid up to fill the empty space bernardo left. i give out ranks like this too but the winner of the fight always gets first priority. this system gives him last priority.

in fact, the title would likely come from people sliding into the number one spot instead of knocking out the champ. there is no way i could explain to any fight fans that sapp knocked out hoost so mirko is the new champ. it was tough enough to have sapp as the #1 rank.

do you really think fans could live without a list like this:

93/04/30 Branko Cikatic [CRO] K-1 Grand Prix 1993 Tournament Champion
94/03/04 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Branko Cikatic [CRO] by DEC-5
94/04/30 Patrick Smith [USA] defeated Andy Hug [SUI] by KO-1
94/09/18 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Patrick Smith [USA] by KO-1
94/10/02 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Jeff Roufus [USA] by KO-2
94/12/10 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Rob Van Esdonk [NED] by KO-4
95/03/03 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Andy Hug [SUI] by TKO-3
95/05/04 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Stan Longinidis [AUS] by KO-3
95/09/03 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Andy Hug [SUI] by KO-2
95/12/09 Peter Aerts [NED] defeated Mike Bernardo [RSA] by TKO-1
96/03/10 Peter Aerts [NED] defeated Jean Claude Leuyer [USA] by KO-1
96/05/06 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Peter Aerts [NED] by KO-1
96/09/01 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Peter Aerts [NED] by DQ-1
96/12/08 Mike Bernardo [RSA] drew with Stan Longinidis [AUS] by DRAW-5
97/03/16 Mike Bernardo [RSA] defeated Masaaki Satake [JPN] by TKO-2
97/04/29 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Mike Bernardo [RSA] by TKO-4
97/06/07 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Shaun Johnson [GBR] by KO-1
97/09/07 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Stefan Leko [GER] by KO-2
97/11/09 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Jerome LeBanner [FRA] by KO-1
98/04/09 Peter Aerts [NED] defeated Ernesto Hoost [NED] by DEC-5
98/06/06 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Peter Aerts [NED] by DEC-5
98/08/07 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Mike LaBree [USA] by KO-1
98/09/27 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Mark Russell [GBR] by KO-2
98/10/28 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Masaaki Miyamoto [JPN] by KO-1
98/12/13 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Ray Sefo [NZL] by TKO-2
99/02/03 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Tsuyoshi Nakasako [JPN] by KO-2
99/04/25 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Ray Sefo [NZL] by TKO-4
99/06/05 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Stefan Leko [GER] by DEC-5
99/08/22 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Maurice Smith [USA] by DEC-5
99/10/03 Andy Hug [SUI] defeated Hiromi Amada [JPN] by TKO-1
99/12/06 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Andy Hug [SUI] by DEC-3
00/04/23 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Sam Greco [AUS] by TKO-3
00/05/28 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Rani Berbachi [FRA] by TKO-3
00/07/30 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Paris Vassilikos [GRE] by KO-3
00/12/10 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Mirko Filipovic [CRO] by DEC-4
01/03/18 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Xhavit Bajrami [SUI] by DEC-5
01/04/15 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Musashi [JPN] by DEC-5
01/06/16 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Sergei Gur [BLR] by TKO-1
01/12/08 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Stefan Leko [GER] by DEC-3
02/04/22 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Tsuyoshi Nakasasko [JPN] by TKO-1
02/05/25 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Stefan Leko [GER] by KO-1
02/08/17 Ernesto Hoost [NED] defeated Jan Nortje [RSA] by KO-3
02/08/28 Ernesto Hoost [NED] drew with Sem Schilt [NED] by DRAW-5
02/10/05 Bob Sapp [USA] defeated Ernesto Hoost [NED] by TKO-1
02/12/07 Bob Sapp [USA] defeated Ernesto Hoost [NED] by TKO-2
03/03/30 Mirko Filipovic [CRO] defeated Bob Sapp [USA] by KO-1


it was interesting that the first response to this thread was fightfan asking why suttie wasn't ranked higher than guys he beat. i think he'd accept the "no second and third fights in a night" rule more than the "he needs to prove himself more" rule.

i think you are seeking some kind of common sense in the list. you won't find it. readers of the list have to bring their own common sense. fightfan knows that suttie would take higher ranks if he got the opportunity. we all know sapp will lose ranks if anyone gets the opportunity.

as far a legitimacy goes, about 80% of the fighters defend their ranks. that would mean they should be ranked higher, wouldn't it? the other 20% are taken care of with an adjustment.

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