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I think the 5 seconds is simply a guideline. I think a good ref could often break it up faster than that.
If both fighters aren't going to be kneeing or if one is clinching to take a break/tie up but not working or going to work in the clinch the ref should break it right away.
Thats one problem. kickboxing refs have been told to let the clinch go...say for 5 sec. Thats good as they use to break up action. But I see many times where one or both fighters are getting tied up and not doing anything and the ref waits 5 seconds...thats a long time with nothing going on. I think its a guideline. You may get fighters working a little for position(no strikes/atempted 'throws') and that could be no action but they are working towards action. Then you get fighters just standing there or trying to tie up...the ref should break it up right away I think in these cases.
I think little bully, in explaining how Jongsanan teaches, give us a good base of understanding on the 'throws'.
I can't find it for looking...
Little Bully-do you know where you posted that...Ijust looked everywhere...
Basically I think she said-Jongsanan doesn't teach any 'throws' just pulls to unbalance or take advantage of the unbalanced.-well kinda along those lines...right? :)