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lkfmdc
Posted: 2001-12-06 22:34:43
I think my post was quite clear but let me rephrase my arguments again

1) When the Thai team fought in China and lost the supporters of Muay Thai discounted the result because it was fought on China's home turf and because the Muay Thai fighters were not the elite.

My point is that San Shou fans could easily say exactly the same thing. Personally, I think in many ways this event was a rivalry between two nations, not two arts. It was not the best of Muay Thai vs. the best of San Shou. Strangely, I don't even think it was China's best vs. Thailand's best. Thailand did not use the stadium champions, China did not use any of it's world championship winners. The fact that the Chinese won some and fought hard should however show that they are real fighters and San Shou is legitimate, only very extreme Muay Thai fans could not give some respect for the result of this series

2) In Draka, Russian fighter Armataev beat Chitchat Pratsayawa (I probably butchered the spelling of that name, but it is not intended as an insult to the fighter)

In Draka, three time world amateur champion Ramazon Ramazanov beat Emanuele Noh, one of France's best Muay Thai fighters.

In Draka, the Turkmenistan national San Shou champion beat another ethnic Thai from Bangkok.

So far in the Draka organization there have been about 9 matches putting amateur San Shou champions turned "pro" (ie Draka format) against Muay Thai fighters. The San Shou fighters have only lost in Draka ONCE

Only extreme Muay Thai fanatics will not accept that San Shou can win in the ring against Muay Thai. There is no "magic" in Muay Thai, a better fighter is a better fighter. And they don't have to "steal" Muay Thai to win either

3) In all three of the events the Chinese complained that they were knee struck in the groin. It is impossible to say if the Thai's did it on purpose, only that the strikes happened. The Chinese were particularly upset about this for cutltural reasons, just like Thai is upset when they are push kicked in the face. Were the Thai fighters aware that this was something that had a cultural aspect as well? Who knows, though you might suspect that Thailand knows a little about Chinese culture

4) Saying the only reason the Chinese fighter won was because he used Muay Thai is a farce. He won, PERIOD. If he uses a more powerful flavor of San Shou that doesn't make it Thai.

5) On three occassions in history, Chinese teams have arrived in Thailand to fight only to find out that the "throws" allowed would only be the throws allowed within the Muay Thai rules. Muay Thai rules do not allow many of the throwing techniques routinely used in San Shou.

The Chinese team was not sure if they could use all throws until the night before the event, when it was clarified that they would use the "mixed rules" not strict Muay Thai rules.

Is that clear enough?

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