lkfmdc - dude, like always you cannot accept that Muay Thai kicked your San Shou friend's asses. It's plain and simple. I would say that 4 to 1 is a decent ass kicking. As I live in Bangkok I saw these fights as did I see the fights in China. On both occasions the Chinese lacked sufficient power and ran the majority of the time. Any idiot knows that if you put a rank amateur fighter against someone who is a pro, 99% of the time the pro will win. Well, if the Chinese or Thai's fight we need to assume that the fights are evenly matched and the judging will be fair. Seems to me that the Chinese never look dominant and the Thai's do. This is not a biased opinion, this is what I and many others have seen. Why is it you cannot accept this? And don't tell me your bullshit about how San Shou kicks people's ass all over the world. Accept it, deal with it, move one and maybe start training in Muay Thai yourself and then you will become enlightened grasshopper.