Who has a zombie approach. What I think is that the Chinese lost in Thailand and although they were declared the winners in China, they were on the worst end of the beating. Ok, I'll give you that the bottom line is that in China the Chinese were declared the winners. I have no qualms about saying that there are some Chinese who are good fighters however what my point is that on the whole, the Thai's are better. It has nothing to do with me being pro-Thai or whatever. They have proved themselves to be better in stand-up fighting than most other 'styles' as they win the majority of the time. This is an age-old arguement of whose style is better and frankly, I think Muay Thai is better than San Shou. Sorry if that hurts you lkfmdc. I don't think the Thai's think that everything under the sun comes from Muay Thai. On the contrary I believe it is the Chinese who feel this way. Whether I punch you with a Muay Thai hook or a San Shou hook doesn't matter....what matters is that if I throw the hook and it connects it will have the desired effect. Perhaps it is that I prefer the Thai mentality about fighting over the Chinese. In any case, the Chinese lost this go round and with the exception of one fight, they did indeed get their butts kicked from pillar to post. 2 KO's and 2 decision ass whuppins is a pretty demonstrable showing wouldn't you think lkfmdc? And I also saw the fights from China as they happened and can tell you that in my opinion the Thai's didn't come close to getting their tails kicked, nor did the run as the Chinese seem to like to do. As far as the elbows, a bare elbow will do a hell alot more damage than a padded one, or do you disagree with this also lkfmdc?