My point has never been to insult Muay Thai, we fight under it's rules, think it has a lot in common with what we do, I have Muay Thai coaches who are dear friends, I even have promoted Muay Thai as a sport over what I consider boring American style

I just can't understand why San Shou/San Da can not get a little respect? When there were two wins in China, I didn't post a "gloat"... I responded to people who posted saying there was no way San Shou could have won, etc...

I have seen clips of the fights in China, and I know how the Chinese fight so when people describe the fights I can say "well, you may not have liked their strategy but they probably won on points". Haven't seen the matches from Thailand yet, as far as I know they indeed got their "asses kicked" and if they did, those guys lost and the Thai guys won. But that being said, the event still doesn't mean that San Shou doesn't deserve respect and I'll still scream if anyone claims credentials about the fighters which aren't true.

Crane69's description claims the best of San Da lost, thus San Da is not match for Muay Thai. I reject it not only because a few matches are definitive but of course also because when he is claiming these guys are the "best" he is distorting the truth. The first guy took THIRD in amateur competition, so you can't say he is the best, there are at least two better guys. He calls two other guys world champions when they do not hold that title. To beat a world champion WOULD be an accomplishment, of course, but these guys weren't so whatver tehe quality of the win, it doesn't have the significance that Crane69 attributes to it