How many of you are aware of People Who Fought in the 80's and 90's who Did all the Stand up Fighting Full contact Fighting Arts !
Ie:
Full Muay-Thai
Thai-Boxing ( no Elbows to the Head etc: )
Low Kick Kick-Boxing
Kicks above the Waist F.Contact?
it was the Golden Era and Golden age of Colourfull Characters !
Poster names ! Tickets sellers and Hosehold Names, and
Great and Controversial Matchups etc: etc:

Some Read Like a Rocky Film! ( ;-p lol )
ie: the `3` big ones Between the Likes of
Shaun Johnson and Kirkwood Walker etc:

shaun johnson & kirkwood walker was like a trilogy!!!

then there was ricky nickelsonm Vs kirkwood walker
and mark russell vs duncan airlie james
and ricky nickelson vs airlie james
and ricky nickelson vs gary turner

the cruiser weight in the UK was a glory division

Russ Williams

Stevie Holt's rise and rise from not too decent to classy stylish fighter who beat Hypolite and being fully competative vs Thai stadium champ.

Dawson Burghandy. Only fought about six fights. All full rules against tough Thai's.

Ronnie Green did ok too!

he he just a little bit

Many a name Many a Class act ! and
Steve Holt yep eally Liked his Fights ! Great last name too !
:-)))

So what ever happened to these guys?

they got old and dusty

lol
and
hey this is a pic: of William Hillditch master Skerns Best thai-Boxers who wouldve / couldve made World Champion !
he Fought up to British Champion ! Then Got Dissilusioned with the Fact that we trained Like a pro: and paid like an AM:
:-((
He had Strong Prniciples William ! And was a Tough and top Technitian in Muay-Thai and a `Very very` Handy Lad !

Ashley Guishard. After Dida beat Dekker twice Ashley took a short notice fight and bt Dida away from home on pts.

Yep ! Fantastic Result, Shot Ashley Up there ! he was a Rising Star @ the time, and that Fight set him up to a "A" Class ! Class act !

`Craig Howlin`
Double British Champion ( Bolton-Thai-Boxing-Club )
Won all his Fights bar `1` a Distance points loss, With one of
the British Legends Winston Walker Trojans Wolves:

Please can someone Put and Pics: up any British Legends?
and The Like of Ronnie Green and Ashley, Steve Holt and everyone mentioned and more !!

And then Peter Hopkins bt Winston. (Craig took it from Steve Costigan).
Those days you fought for one title and you had to beat the man to be the man.

Col
I was just typin that then pete was very good as was Steve holt,ronnie,pele.
Favourite from master skens Bobby beckles he was cool.
Ooops sorry sandys bolton.

Vinny. Heard about Ashley? Email me.

Not the best picture but better than nothing!

Thanks Shins
and Col Yep Good Point !
And Vinny Yep Boobby was one of My Fighters to be Proud Of and hes In New York where Phil Nurse is ! ( he was one of our Boltons best too )

Bobby was best i think you have had Sandy.

ya Reckon?
Poss:!!! Difficult
as Dominic Cunningham was the ONLY U.K. Guy to beat a Thai over Here I think? ( apart from Ronnie green i thinkl ) up to and Including all the way from when it came here to 1990 he was one Of Mine too
He Only Losy 1 Fight on a head clash and Scored a return match to settle it !
he won 2 British titles ( as COL said Ones and One to Fight for and Defend, back in the day )

off Topic ! VIN my VIDS: not arrived yet?
Cheers!!
:-))

Sandy
Bobby was better when he fought Eddie o brien (although no world better),Bobby was faultless loved him.

I will get a Piccy of Bobby ! he was a true Quiet man of the Sport too Just Got on with it !
"And a lot people Didnt Know this" ! :-p
Said in a Michael Caine accent lol

Bobby went to Japan on a 2 weeks Notice i had to train him to Fight the legendary
Jaroenthong Thai Champ in Japan In front of Millions on T.V and Live to Thousands
Ok he only went `2` Rounds But Wow ! how Goods that ?

This will be Legendary in years to Come :-p
Zebs!
:-p

you up Zebs?

A real golden age when u had to defend titles i miss that.

Nice-1 Woody

Name your Fav: Fights of the 80's and 90's?

steve holt v eval denton at the parr hall was a good one real low key not a lot of promotion or hype just a great fight.Ivan hippolite v jomhod was a great fight as was dawson burgandy v promlekit.Not to mention ronnie v sombat one and two.still recon the best show ever was pickets lock one all the old school people will know what i am going on about.Dok mae bah, paductsuk,luang suan,and sombat on the same bill wow!!!Pele v walker is always a fight that crops up but my very favourite fight of all time was orono v ramon dekkers because i had the pleasure of watching it live at the crockodile park in thailand.

Rember watching Chris Allen V Eval Denton in Middelton great fight
Steve Holt V Thomas ? (i think Peter Hopkins faught his brother on the same show ) on a show in Bolton
Eval Denton V Ashley Guishard 3 fights i enjoyed in the 90's

`Bolton Sports centre` Classics ! Some of the best Fights of the Century
And It was Peter Hopkins V Finland and Sweden

And Steve Holt

Jan and Kai Mustonnen Bros:

This is For Vinny
The / My Fighter Whom Vinny likes a lot !
British and European lightweight Champion !
"Bobby Beckles" Bolton

Peter Hopkins v Thomas Rassmussen

Thanks Col:

Steve Holt v Juhha Mustonen
Peter Hopkins v Thomas Rassmussen
Eval Denton v Janne Mustonen
Darren Phillips v Regillio Valport (??)
Sam Gribben v Jeff Small
John Craig v Phil Barton
John Castalain v Steve Hilton

1991 (so many won't know these big names).
Oldham.

Steve Scott v Jos v Bejien
Winston Walker v Peter Kley
Tim Izzly v Peter Thysse
Kirkwood Walker v Leo De Snoo
Steve Holt v Ivan Hypolite
Peter Feeley v Tommy Van Der Burg
Michelle Oboro v Lucia Rijker

Nearly Right, Nice one Col
Darren Fought a German i think and Ramon Valport from Hollnad v Phil Nurse

I thought there was some changes. I was reading off the programme. I know Sam was meant to fight Michael Weinberger (german) but ended up against Jeff Small.

I thought there was some changes. I was reading off the programme. I know Sam was meant to fight Michael Weinberger (german) but ended up against Jeff Small.

Correct
Hey Col you still got the Prog: ?
can you post it on here?

I haven't got my scanner or main computer running since i moved. They are still boxed. Remind me again later though and i'll sort it out.

How did Kirkwood Walker do against Leo De Snoo ??

yea de snoo was one of themost under raited of the duth golden era boys now i didnt know peter feeley fought vd burgh oh i love this my fave ere in british muay thai

Booby beckles loved him i did,not in a gay way???

Cheers Col !
Vinny Lol

`im a Thai Poet & i Didna No-It`?
`Ere All Week, and up all Night`
AX is the One & Only Thai-Kickboxing Website

"Boom Boom" lol
Basil Brush Rulessssssssss !
:-p

Col any More Classics you Remember? and Stand Out?
:-)

and archive pics; here.
Ok How Many Of You Know These Guys !
I Know Em.... But do you?

Master Sken 3 rd From the Left a Lot Know ! Im asking about all the Fighters !
( A clue on 1 hes a SuperHeavy now and 75Kilos on here )

A young Mark Russell secong from left, with a top tache :)

second from right I mean !

haha I did give you a BIG clue ! But yep ! it is. 1 down 4 to go !!!

4 Names to Go ? Anyone?

have the Golden Era Guys Gone for a Hot Cocoa and Slippers?
:-p

first one is Ralf Kussler.

well done 3 to go !

Ralph Kussler, Phil Glover, MAster Sken, ???, Mark Russell, Gary Stuart

Great pictures, Sandy.

4 Down 1 To Go all correct so far !
and Ive Already Told you its Master Sken ( Keep Up Daz LOL )

Craig ince marks cousin.

BINGO ! u de man Vin !
and Vin??
Wheres me VID?
i dont ave to Send the Boys Round do i?
:-p
Bobby and Me hahah !

And theres More :-p

I just thought id bring this thread to the top ;)

All the names mentioned on this thread were good and great fighters who all would do sooo well fighting in todays era,in particular I think Steve Holt was a great fighter as was Peter Hopkins,another quality lad not mentioned is Thomas Ncarthy(Toddo) anyone remember him? agree?.:)

My opinion these guys were not near the level of the modern uk guys. Mainly tough guys with kick boxing style fighting under muay Thai rules

This is the gold era of mt

by a mile jonno! the quality of coaches and fighters through out the country is way stronger than then,then there were 3-4 guys that were muay thai "masters" and very few gyms but now there are loads of credible peope that have trained with high class thais coaching here in the uk taking the level up loads

I agree with your last post Paul,however all of the fighters mentioned above from previous eras would be the equal of todays fighters given the same training and following the same ruleset.

As a fighter and coach from that era and this era I had fighters then that could compete now Im 100% sure of that,In fact I had fighters compete In Thailand in the early 1990s as Did many other coaches.

Our main problem was the ruleset we followed meant we had to train the technique that was scoring over here ie low kick and punches with bog standard clinch.

These are the areas that have improved the most recently over here I think(reffs,judges and rule format)mainly due to Mr Tony Myers and the people that have followed his good work,also the opportunities to train and fight regularly in Thailand have meant our standard of actual Muay Thai rule format has risen loads,so yehh I agree the golden age is now but stick the old timers in todays gyms and they would still be champions imho.:)

Agree totally mate but they didn't have the same opportunities in that day! They were good at what they did but it was real correct muayThai as we play today

I was wondering how long it was gonna be before someone decided to point out that just because it's back in 'Nam, doesn't make it "The Golden Age". As Paul says, virtually everyone of these guys couldn't compete with the fighters of the same weight class today.

Anybody wanna do the Rocky Balboa thing and see how a computer will predict a fight between an oldie and a current champ? how about Sandy in his prime versus Liam. I know who I'm betting on :-)

Ok we all know what that outcome would have been and i think it is a very unfair comparison!!!

Ronnie Green however, didnt he used to beat the Thais regularly? Also what about the likes of Pele Nathan and Winston Walker?

How's it an unfair comparison? Wasn't Sandy the best at his weight class at the time? Think so. Is he the guy who called "the Golden Age"? Think so.

In fact it seems like a completely relevant comparison.

wasnt comparing them just the humble beginnings as to how we are where we are !
The wheel had to be invented ! wood at the start then improved with Rubber but its still a Wheel and still works !!!!!!!! :-) x

Paulinthailand Writes:

My opinion these guys were not near the level of the modern uk guys. Mainly tough guys with kick boxing style fighting under muay Thai rules

I believe Steve Holt,PeterHopkins and Pele Nathan would still be best in the country now at 67,70,72.
Taking whatever into concideration.

i dont think they would mate. i dont know of peter hopkins. pele was very good but wouldnt he have been waklings weight? i dont think steve holt is nearly as good as jordan at that weight!

"virtually everyone of these guys couldn't compete with the fighters of the same weight class today"

Would not entirely agree with that! Some of the fighters where very skilled and many turned pro boxing too !!

However... I think some of the names mentioned where exceptional in their time and these days there are more of the same skill level - But certainly not able to compete is a gross miscalculation.

hummmmmmmmmmmm not too sure
But that said It will Never happen and we can have this same discussion ( in 20 years and say the same lol )

Lets say this
This was thee Golden Age.



Now its the Platinum lol