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Topic:British Independent Kickboxing Rankings - Dec 08
Colin Payne
Posted: 2008-12-23 05:00:41
BRITISH INDEPENDENT KICKBOXING RANKINGS
(As of 22nd December)

Here at last is the latest updated rankings. One of the main reasons it has taken us a little longer is due to the level of input and information we have been receiving from everyone so we would like to thank everyone for their help.
It has meant there has been much to discuss amongst us all.

Just a few points it’s worth highlighting and appeals for info as well.

Ricky Glover
You will notice Ricky Glover has been removed from the under 59 kilos rankings. It’s believed that Ricky has not fought at that weight for some time now and in fairness to those ranked below him he has been removed. If at any time he resumes activity in this division he will be ranked again immediately.

Mark Turner
Mark has been brought to our attention in the 84 kilo division. We would like to hear from anyone in his camp who can furnish us with some detailed career information so we can rank him accordingly and correctly. Rather than just throw him in we would like to be as accurate as possible so any help would be appreciated.

Fighters in two divisions.
This subject has caused us some debate and so in fairness to all fighters we will be seeking clarification from any fighter that is ranked in more than one division as to their future plans. Do they intend to actively compete in more than one division, rather than take the occasional catchweight fight to keep active as we believe there is a difference. Again input on this issue is welcome.

Inactivity
We will be looking to see plans of activity for some fighters who may well be removed next time if we don’t. Fighters such as Ricky Gammon and Brian Aston are two that we have discussed and we would be interested to know if they have fights planned at this stage.

Lewis Patterson
Lewis has been re-ranked after we removed him in support of the suspensions he was under. As we said at that time we felt that it was right for us to support that action at the time for the greater good, however we believe that suspension has expired and so he is ranked off the back of his most recent performance.

As always comment, (constructive) criticisms and views are welcome

regards
BRITISH INDEPENDENT KICKBOXING RANKINGS
(Carl Sams, Dean Sugden, Mark Gibbs, Neil Kelly and Colin Payne)

Flyweight (49 kilos) / Super-flyweight (51 kilos) / Bantamweight (53 kilos)
There are at this time no active fighters worthy of rating.

Super-bantamweight (55 kilos)
1. Sean Bowman (Touch Gloves)
2. Barry Lock (WUMA)
3. Keith Morris (Paragon)
4. Harjinder Singh (Leicester)
5. Rajesh Salhan (IFA)
6. Mel Dunthorne (Norwich)

Featherweight (57 kilos)
1. Sean Bowman (Touch Gloves)
2. Kalbir Singh (Leicester)
3. Sunny Hira (Kash Gill Gym)
4. Dave Stewart (Motiv8)
5. Kully Nagra (Eclipse)

Super-Featherweight (59 Kilos)
1. Stacy Gosden (Pro-Am Brighton)
2. Richard Hines (Aveley)
3. Ryan Thomas
4. Vinny Brown (Coventry)
5. Simon Millward (SDCS)
6. Danny Washington (Brighton)
7. Mark Cuillinane
8. Mick Dunford (Scorpio)

Lightweight (61.5 kilos)
1. Stacey Gosden (Pro-am Brighton)
2. Mike Nudds (Touch Gloves)
3. Rob Hingston (Taurus)
4. Jon Eames (Aveley)
5. Qasim Nisar (USKA)
6. Ronnie Clarke (Scotland)
7. Nathan Kirk (Gladiators)
8. Richard Hines (Aveley)
9. Simon Millward
10. Kevin Payne (PUMA)

Super-lightweight (63.5 kilos)
1 .Marty Cox (Heathrow)
2 .Gary Hamilton (Northern Ireland)
3. Barinder Singh (Leicester)
4. Richard Waller (IFA)
5. Andy Burton (Sunderland)
6. Shawn Burton (Lincoln)
7 Lee Hollingsworth (Nicholls)
8. Alexander White (Scotland)
9. Aubrey Tarr (N.Ireland)
10. Rob Stevens (BMAC)


Welterweight (67 kilos)
1. Nick Gill (TS Kickboxing)
2. Ryan Hamer (BFKKO)
3. Suky Shoria (TS kickboxing)
4. Scott Taylor (Derby panthers)
5. Steve Swinburn (Lincoln)
6.Jason Vasallo (Aveley)
7. Wes Fagan (Master Goffs)
8. Michael Johnson (Spartans Sunderland)
9. Simon Okufu (Kash Gill Gym)
10. Paul Douglas (Storm Gym)

Super-welterweight (69 kilos)
1. Chris Deakin (BFKKO)
2. Scott Taylor (Derby)
3. Aaron Robinson (Lincoln)
4. Scott Rowley (Bulldog)
5. Daniel Flack (Ely)
6. Kev Beckett (Fudoshin)
7. Paul Douglas (Storm Gym)
8. Ross Phillips (Bulldog)
9 .Ian Longson (Kokoro)
10. Lewis Patterson (Wales)

Middleweight (72.5 kilos)
1. Tommy McCafferty (N.Ireland)
2. Fran Zucala (Wolverhampton)
3. Chris McCartey (Middlesborough)
4. Kevin Beckett (Fudoshin)
5. Jason Curtis (Jesters Gym)
6. Greg Darmon (BFKKO)
7. Craig Bradford (Scotland)
8. Chris Morgan
9. Trevor Soko (Bulldog)
10. Kade Sherlock

Super-middleweight (75 kilos)
1. John Orchard (Bulldog Gym)
2 Brian Aston (ECKA)
3. David Lockwood (Maltby)
4. Craig Bradford (Scotland)
5. Gordon Childs (Dorchester)
6. Ricky Gammon (St George)
7. Ryan Miller (Taurus)
8. Danny Ely (Aveley)
9. Ivor Price
10. Sam Gray (Bulldog Gym)

Light-heavyweight (78.5 kilos)
1. Andy Pollard (TS Kickboxing)
2. Mick Crossland (Dragonfoot)
3. Al Osta (Leicester)
4. Ivan Damyanov (Firewalker)
5. Ronnie Hogan (Mark Gibbs)
6. Ricky Longhurst (Bristol)
7. Lee Whitfield (Bailang)
8. Norman Smith (Leicester)
9. Craig Harrison
10. Chris James (Budo Juko)

Super light-heavyweight (82.5 kilos)
1. Marlon Hunt (BFKKO)
2. Scott Gibson (SAMA)
3. Micheal Elmslie (Scotland)
4. Andrew Tate (Storm Gym)
5 Luke Sines (Walton)
6. Scott Jenkinson (Lincoln)
7. Nigel Thomas (Storm)
8. Paul Randle (St Georges)
9. Liam Trotter (Spartans)
10. Gareth Richards (Wales)


Cruiserweight(84.5kilos)
1. Marlon Hunt (BFKKO)
2. Andrew Tate (Storm Gym)
3. Ollie Green (Aveley)
4. Mo Kargbo (Bulldog)
5. Daniel Hughes (Scorpions Swindon)
6. John Zucala (Eclipse)
7. Jon Durrant (USKA)
8. Richard Jinks (Plymouth)
9. Kevin Gunter (MKKA)
10. Andy Bendall (Panthers)

Super-cruiserweight(88.5kilos)
1. Marlon Hunt (BFKKO)
2. Daniel Quigley (Northern Ireland)
3. Wayne Turner
4. Paul Hill (WAMA)
5. Richard Burke (Coventry)
6. Graham Blackwell (Dragonfoot)


Heavyweight(91.5kilos)
No active fighters worthy of rating

Super-heavyweight (91.5 kilos plus)
1. Jamie Moore (Kuei-ling)
2.Rob Gledhill (Tornado Gym, Hull)
3. Kevin Smiles (Newcastle)
4. Adam Hart (Aveley)
5. Steve Jones (Liverpool)
6. Jimmy Kram (Gladiators)
7.. Nassa Mohammed (IFA)
8. Johnny Askey (Jesters)
9. Justin Crowson (Leicester)
10 Andy Costello

WOMENS:

Flyweight 48 Kilos
No nominations

Bantamweight 52 Kilos
1. Lisa Higo (TAMA)
2. Tiffany Williams (KICKS)
3. Nadia Griva (Cobra Gym)
4. Bridie Murphy (Rotherham)


Featherweight 56 Kilos
1. Tracy Reno (Heathrow)
2. Alexis Rufus (Cobra)
3. Bridie Murphy (Rotherham)
4. Rachel Kirkhouse (Chris Sparks)
5. Emily Mason (Pegasus)
6. Jenny Carter (TS Kickboxing)
7. Martine Becque (SKA)
8. Zavina Vidale (Red Dragon)
9. Karen Meek (Bridgewater)

Lightweight 60 kilos
1. Natalie Bee (Mugendo)
2. Zoe Mason (Touch Gloves)
3. Anna Otterwell (Spartans)
4. Bonnie Webb (PW Kickboxing)
5. Natasha Davies (Pro-am)

Super-lightweight 64 kilos
1. Julie Kitchen (Touch Gloves)
2. Stacey Parker (TS Kickboxing)
2. Zoe Mason (Touch Gloves)
4. Anne Otterwell (Spartans)
5.. Kate Sendall (AFCMPT)
6. Mel Spicer (Canvey)
7 . Danielle Kudmany (Fulham Kickboxing)
8. Cath Adams (Dragonfoot)

Welterweight 68 Kilos
1. Kerry Louise Norbury (BFKKO)
2. Rachel Ealey (John Shiels)
3. Jenny Prowse (Bulldog Gym)
4. Kelly Rose (Zen Shin)
5.Caroline Hageman (Phoenix)
6. Mel Spicer (Canvey)
7. Karen Stokes (PUMA)

Super-welterweight 72 kilos
1. Sarah Upton (Sue Fell Gym)
2. Rachel Rose (Jesters)
3. Kellie Murray (Leicester)
4. Laura Smith (IFA)
5. Danielle Goodyear (Black Country Combat)

Middleweight 72 kilos+
1. Karen Dews (BFKKO)

Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2008-12-23 05:08:04
Nice to see Aaron Robinson moving up in the ranks, he has really improved this year and showed he is well worthy of a top 3 place!

Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-23 07:28:36
The Rankings look spot on and let's now all stick together as to the input...the more info on this thread appears the better the rankings will be!
I am excited for 2009 and thank you guys!!!


Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-23 09:02:04
lol...not to much reply as yet - no complaints??? Well done guys looks like you shut everyone up!!! : )

I by the way told Stuart Davies to send you guys the information for Matt Martin who held -81.4kg ISKA British Title (Lost it to Nigel Thomas from my Gym recently - rematch 28th February 2009) and is still Commonwealth -78kg ISKA Champion! I know he had plenty of Kickboxing fights as well.
Colin Payne
Posted: 2008-12-23 09:08:14
Matt martin is ranked amir, just not in the top10
Dean Ford
Posted: 2008-12-23 10:03:19
Alexander White from Scotland fought for the WKN Featherweight European Title at 60.3kg on December 1st.

Also Paul Bradbury from Kash The Flash Gym is British WKA Champion at 57kg i'm sure.
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-23 10:12:51
cheers colin : )
Red Phoenix Academy
Posted: 2008-12-23 10:46:41
Nice one!

78.5kg here we come :)
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2008-12-23 10:50:48
At this rate Nick Gill should be wary of Marlon, he'll be on the slim fast plan and at 67kg in no time ;) haha
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-23 10:57:29
hasnt't Jag got two good guys, one 57kg and one 59kg? Think both their surnames are Singh????
Red Phoenix Academy
Posted: 2008-12-23 11:08:28
Slimfast makes me fat Craig. lol

75kg will be my max by next year.
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2008-12-23 12:58:51
"hasnt't Jag got two good guys, one 57kg and one 59kg? Think both their surnames are Singh????"

Harjinder and Kalbir ranked at 55kg and 57kg
ALEXANDER WHITE
Posted: 2008-12-23 13:36:12
nice to ce I've moved up 1 place should still be a bit higher tho LOL
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2008-12-23 16:11:40
Give me more info and tell me why and on what basis and i'll look at it straight away mate:)
Craig Hyndman
Posted: 2008-12-24 03:51:49
When did Ryan Hamer fight last? not saying he's not a worthy number 2, just havent seen him active for a while, correct me if i'm wrong
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 04:00:27
sorry Carl, blind as a bat i am!
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2008-12-24 04:16:00
Not fought for a bit but not for the lack of trying to match with other contenders (who had other committments). He has shown willing to pitch with the best so his position currently remains.
Chris Morgan
Posted: 2008-12-24 07:00:11
Kev Gunter trains with me at Russ Newton's gym (MKKA Wales) and hasn't competed since July 07. Hate to bring this up as it may jeopardise his position in the rankings and he's a close mate of mine, but in the interest of fairness to the other guys in that division and to keep the panel up to date I felt I should bring it up.
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 08:02:33
don't be Chris mate...this is here for a reason and we all need ALL the possible input - just shows how you and I am sure others to take the Independent rankings serious and to another level!

Once again 2009 will be a great year!!!
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 08:06:28
Maybe one day there could be a Independent Rankings Belt, like the ring magazine belt in boxing, now THAT would a title with some serious prestige!
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 08:25:04
that would be great a true British Champion!!!
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-24 13:38:15
It is something that might be worth a look. Some sort of certificate or something. Would need a sponsor but that could be arranged, and some sort of points system for us to agrue about. lol
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 13:46:22
A MASSIVE TROPHY K-1 STYLE would be the thing to fight for...for that I might start fighting FC again : )
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 13:46:58
I could sponsor it too...I can make Belts etc as well!
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-24 13:54:04
Cant speak for the others but to be honest, I like the idea. Perhaps the 5 of us could argue about for say 2 weeks. LOL
The Anvil
Posted: 2008-12-24 17:06:08
i hav sed b4 maybee sumthin like a lonsdale belt? something thts worth winnin thts respected by organiseations
Chris Deakin
Posted: 2008-12-24 17:14:07
Alright Aaron fella, I'd have to agree wit you, would make the number 1 spot even more worth while.

A 10 rounder for it!
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 17:50:28
12 rounds...Ultimate British Champion an 12 rounds of Beatyfull Kickboxing!!!
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:10:22
Love the enthusiasm and have to say that this is the direction that we had hoped to go in.

However, how would that happen. Do you see the likes of (for instance), Marty Cox or Marlon Hunt fighting for the "Real British Title" when they hold multiple "world" titles?

When we originally turned our backs on domestic titles to try and give this concept strength, almost none of you supported that. By that I mean you all continued to fight for other domestic titles even when publically acknowledging that it was a good idea.

So, in the nicest possible way (because I don't want to curb the enthusiasm we have been looking for for the last few years) - How do you see this being credibly viable?

Would love it to happen but give us some more in depth thoughts.
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:21:10
A lot of Boxers which fought for the Lonsdale belt had other Titles too!!
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:29:50
Carl, when you stopped domestic titles you didnt offer an alternative.

With the IR receiving such widespread approval a ring magazine type britsh champion would be the ultimate prize.

What would a world title mean if you were only ranked 5th or 6th in britain, and didnt hold the IR belt?

I think everyone acknowledges the good work you boys are doing, and thus would acknowledge the IR british champion.

Everyone has pissed and whined about alphabet titles, this would solve the problem i think.

Its too easy to find a vacant title and hand pick an opponent, with ring magazine type britsh title, it wouldnt happen.....

markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:30:30
I was not thinking of fighting for it. I was thinking of a points system for the ammount of time you spend at 1,2 and so on in the rankings and getting a trophy, cert, something, at the end of the year to acknowlege that achievement.

We could get sponsered and the award would be presented at the end of the year. If enough support we could have a dinner, or just a show at the end of the year. Like Abosolute Adrenalite. lol
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:31:34
If the money, maybe tv coverage, magazine coverage, sponsorship etc is good enough I don't see a reason why anyone would not fight for it??
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:37:32
Then we become just another sanctioning body but it is a nice thought. Thats the end though, not the beginning!
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:38:24
hmm...any other suggestions then??
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:40:54
But you dont mark, because you dont rank someone by what titles they hold or who they have fought for. You rank them by who they have fought and beat. And the only way to progress is to beat the man above you/ number 1. The ring arn't a sanctioning body, but their belt means something......
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:43:26
it has to be done one way or the other though or keep it this way so it can help all the Kickboxing community to put superfights on and fights which need to happen : )
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:44:07
thanks Dan : )
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-24 18:57:09
I think award the belt. Why does the person at 1 need to fight for it. Why should Nick Gill or John Orchard have to fight the number 2 for a belt when they have held the no 1 slot for 2 years. Makes no sense really. Award points for every week at 1 (by the way, number 1 slots dont change that much you know, usually retirements only) and give the prize at the end of the year.
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 19:06:01
beating number 2 or 3 proves you deserve the "belt". Sitting at number 1 for a year but not fighting number 2 or 3 doesnt mean a thing Mark?
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-24 19:09:35
People can support the idea, or not. I personally think it would work/could work. People wanted a "true" british title, this is the closest kickboxing will ever get. If you dont support it, fine, but don't then moan about "all the alphabet tiles not meaning anything".
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-25 05:51:20
Sitting at number 1 for a year but not fighting number 2 or 3 doesnt mean a thing Mark?

he way the rankings are structured and the whole point of them means that sitting at number one all year does mean something. Look down thee whole list and see if you think we have made a mistake?

The bit about true British champion is true to a degree, but its like saying that Joe Calzaghe should prove he is Britains true number 1.

being number 1 in the rankings is as close to getting a true British champion as we are going to get.

WASP KICKBOXING
Posted: 2008-12-26 02:42:09
Agree you will hardly ever make the fight between number 1 and 2 but why not let any independently ranked top 10 fighter fight for the title it will still make it the best british title around and will need to be over 10 maybe 12 rounds?? and will need to be a nice belt not the standard eagle belts making it available to all top 10 ranked fighters will increase the number of available matches but keep at a high standard
Jimmy Taurus
Posted: 2008-12-26 03:56:51
As in most categorys there are fighters just below no. 1 who have the potential to beat the no.1 if they could get a chance,the only fair way to create a true IR Champ i feel would be a series of matches where 1 v 3 and 2 v 4 (or 1 v 4 n 2 v 3) with the 2 winners fighting for the new title . If us as promoters worked together this year then we could easily get 1 for each division on each big/medium size show. At the end of the year we would have a lot less debate over who deserves their spot. Just takes us as trainers/promoters to support it and take our fighters away to fight if you have a top 4 guy. I even think it's fair that the no.1 gets it at home if that is what they want and their trainer promotes.
The Anvil
Posted: 2008-12-26 03:59:55
i agree wiv what dan is sayin in away but also agree with mark! if u r number 1 it is a massive achievement! but being number 1 u can sit at the top of the tree and not fight another british fighter no matter how good they are
markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-26 05:56:10
Not for ever Aaron. Are we a bit to easy on number ones then?
The Anvil
Posted: 2008-12-26 06:46:46
no am not saying that mark but tht duz happen in boxing eg calzaghe and froch whitter hatton o u no wot i mean? wasnt a dig or anythink lol
Dean Sugden
Posted: 2008-12-26 07:27:55
Some great comments and discussions on here!

Anvil - Bad example Calzage v FROCH. If you look at World Ranking Carl Froch is No.6. He has to be at No.1 or at least No.2 to deserve a shot at Calzage who has been at No.1 in different weights in the World now for some time. He needs to proove he is the best by beating the people above him first. A Mr Kessler win would potentially put him in the frame to fight Mr Calzage. But he has to step up in World Class before desrving a right to fight Joe.

Getting back to Ind FC Rankings, if anyone feels they are justified a fight against No.1 in that division. Or if someone is ranked at No.1 unjustifyably (is that a real word?) contact Colin, Myself, Carl or Neil and we can try and make the fight happen. Let us know idividually or collectively of any real credible and reasonable challenge put forward that has not been accepted and we WILL discuss it objectively and review ranking positions. This is why the rankings are working in my opinion.

nathan touchgloves
Posted: 2008-12-26 07:35:58
if it helps solve problems any fighters that touchgloves have at no1 will gladly give the chance for the no2/3 to fight them on any show as long as its all sorted fairly and we have 6-8 weeks to prepare.
The Crippler
Posted: 2008-12-26 10:20:27
I dont fight Kickboxing but to throw my hat in the ring during this festive season, As a fighter I think it sounds like a good idea, (Amir: In Fact when Tate makes it to No.1 I might start fighting FC to win it off him!! lol-lol)

I think the most important point raised is about its credibility! There seems to be many, many, many titles World & British, SO if the belt was highly respected like the Longsdale & Ring belts (and a REALLY nice Belt & REALLY BIG trophy) then why wouldn't fighters fight for it?? Scared???? If thats the reason then should they be ranked no1????
Not sure a league type system would work, won't those top guys also be fighting foreign fighters or can could they be that active?

NB: on a note about Calzage & Froch, the difference there is that Joe's been around for SO long, already reconsigned as a world class fighter by most who matter and is about to end his career!
The Crippler
Posted: 2008-12-26 10:23:52
That wasn't a dig Dean (just in case it came across that way)
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2008-12-26 10:31:13
Paul mate just come down hehehee and I am sure he will give you a fight : )

Agree - credibility is everything!!!
Jamie Meechan
Posted: 2008-12-26 23:43:14
why is lex easdon not in rankings? was not sure if he had retired but he fought at pos 4 and was going to be part of the 8 man? thanks
Red Phoenix Academy
Posted: 2008-12-27 02:22:33
If Lex is still competing I'll fight him at 78kg.
In Scotland or in the UK. :)

As for No1 ranked fighters sitting on the No1 spot is rubbish.
I have been active and fought 3 to 4 times a year since I hit the No1 spot.

Thing is if you are at World level you fight World level fighters and don't go backwards and fight people that are british level or below.

If I fought a British fighter that has only had say 8 fights would that make me a more credible No1 ranked fighter?

I think not

Too many fighters/coaches nowadays wants the No1 spot ASAP, but it takes hard work good competitive fights and most importantly TIME to get there.

Also inactive fighters no matter what ranking they are DO get removed from the rankings.

Look at the people that are No 1 and say they have got it wrong.
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-27 04:00:19
Agreed Marlon, in your case you have beat everyone below you. I'm talking about a fighter at number 1 who hasnt beat many/any of the fighters below them
michael robbie johnson
Posted: 2008-12-27 04:12:20
the talk of an independent rankings title is in one way a fantastic idea, an undisputed champion, who no one can argue with, without throwing there hat in to fight for it, but what i think would be better to come from such a situation is that some one or a group would have to be in charge of the administrative side and the politics, and this would surely be the birth of a british board of control within kickboxing, fair enuff every one wouldnt follow it, as its been said before there is to much financially and in others peoples interests to fall in line with this, however it would be the start we need, afterall the independent rankings had to start sum where and now we all wait with baited breath for them, and they have led to some fantastic fights.
With the development of a board of control we would definitly be on our way to mainstream acceptence of our sport!
and that is surely what we all want

markgibbs
Posted: 2008-12-27 05:18:42
I dont think it works that way though. The mintue we become that then we are just another sanctioning body really.

I have had a look through the rankings again and ALL of the no 1 slots are correct.

If people below them want to challenge for them, they need to earn the right, then put together a decent offer to the person at no 1 (or get a promoter to do it) not just call them out, then complain that they are being avoided!

I like the idea of an award for the person who has spent the longest at number 1 in that year and then for it to be presented to them. I do not like the idea of them being forced to defend the possition against someone lower down every year for all of the reasons Marlon says and a few more.
DanUK
Posted: 2008-12-27 15:40:26
So what if the "number 1" wins a "minor" world title, and hasnt beat number 2, 3 and 4, does that that mean number 2,3 & 4 havn't the right to challenge them?

When does someone become "above" domestic level?

If they win a vacant euro/world title and don't defend it, are they above domestic level?

If they fight for but lose a euro/world title?

I personally think your only above Domestic level if you've beat every one there is to beat in Britain, e.g Nick Gill, John Orchard. Just because a fighter has a euro/world title, to me that doesnt automatically make them above domestic level. I mean why the hell have you got a euro/world title if you havnt beat everyone over here anyway?

Red Phoenix Academy
Posted: 2008-12-27 15:57:18
There are only a few weight devisions where the No1 is held by a World level fighter eg Nick Gill John Orchard.

Otherwise the No1 holder is a British level fighter, so there are plenty of mathches for the No1 condender spot to be made.

It obviously also comes down to the right offer, purse, time etc and if that has been made correctly and fighters are still avoiding or inactive then they do get either put down the rankings or out completely.

IR rankings was always about the spot and not about another belt and I personally feel that that should be enough.

Colin Payne
Posted: 2008-12-27 18:40:55
Ideal world, yes everyone is right and maybe a 'ring' style belt would be great...HOWEVER without wishing to rain on anyones parade these debates always end up with the 'we need a proper governing body' type of debate...which inevitably die out.

The positive comments we are getting on the rankings are very much appreciated from all of us involved, just for me I would rather we don't get too ahead of ourselves. Just keep the info and comments on the rankings coming and lets enjoy the rankings for what they are...bottom line if anyone holds a 'major title' fight on their show with two fighters NOT in the top 10 of their division then you know regardless of the initials that its bogus and that should for now be enough for everyone.

It is for me a FACT that fights that 5 or 6 years would never have happened are now going ahead due to the rankings (whether anyone wants to admit that or not)....and I am not just talking about the Orchard/Zucala type fights, I mean further down the rankings as well. I for instance have a few amateurs who will this year take off the headguard and move into the pros and due to the rankings I know exactly which matches I will be seeking as their trainer to progress their career properly....and bogus titles will not play any part in the planning.
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2009-01-11 08:46:45
When are the January Rankings out??
: )
Colin Payne
Posted: 2009-01-11 08:57:13
January!...sorry couldn't resist. There are discussions going on at the moment regarding ways we can actually improve the rankings and we will be posting that this week
Dean Ford
Posted: 2009-01-11 09:46:29
Leif Taggart at 55 as im sure hes now pro.
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2009-01-11 12:14:49
Improve...you guys do a great job and can only work on the information supplied so I think it is PERFECT : )
markgibbs
Posted: 2009-01-12 05:06:55
Think Leif only fights Thai at the moment?
Jamie Meechan
Posted: 2009-01-14 21:02:49
marlon vrs lex?? that would be a great fight, but think marlon would need to come right down to 75 as lex has nothing to prove, hes fought the best and beat the best, marlon have you fought at 75 before? would be some fight i am sure but cant see it happening ha,
Red Phoenix Academy
Posted: 2009-01-15 01:46:04
Been training and sparring at 78kg.
Want to take on those rankings 1st b4 the 75kg.
At 75kg I will then change to K1 MAX.

Surely we could meet in the middle him coming up from 75kg and me coming down from 81kg.

6kg drop to fight someone like Lex is a bit much don't you think? lol
Seeing I have already dropped from 88kg to 81kg.

I have to eat sometimes :)
Jamie Meechan
Posted: 2009-01-16 06:10:38
yeh if lex still is fighting would be incredible fight, has lex fought anything higher than 75 do you know? superfight for end of the year sounds great ha,is the orchard fight on?
vinny cfs
Posted: 2009-01-22 12:00:35
if its the mark cullinane i think its is in the 59kg rankings hes from coventry, it may not be though
Dean Ford
Posted: 2009-02-07 14:03:20
6. Greg Darmon (BFKKO)
7. Craig Bradford (Scotland)

Bradford beat Darmon for IKF Commonwealth Title last year.
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2009-02-07 16:57:43
Thank you. When was that last year and what has happenned to Craig since please. Thanks:)

Will look to correct on next rankings if applicable:)
Dean Sugden
Posted: 2009-02-07 17:10:10
Yes it was last year mate, Craig has fought a couple of times since. I think Lex has struggled to match him plus he been busy with Uni. He fought on our June show last year and comfortably beat Paul Mayfield. Paul I think is WUMA European Champ F/C but Craig blew him away.

THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2009-02-07 17:20:14
Thanks for the info:)
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Posted: 2009-02-10 11:43:47


IKF PROFESSIONAL ENGLISH SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT TITLE HOLDER ROB STEVENS
EVENT PHOTOGRAPHY & PRINTING
Posted: 2009-02-10 11:46:17


IKF AMATEUR MIDLAND LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT TITLE HOLDER SHAUN HURDMAN
Dean Ford
Posted: 2009-02-10 14:07:34
Nice belts they are :D
THE BULLDOG
Posted: 2009-02-10 16:03:05
Why thank you. As supplied by yours truly:)
Amir Subasic
Posted: 2009-02-11 07:51:12
when are the new rankings out??
ALEXANDER WHITE
Posted: 2009-02-11 09:34:35
who holds the IKF / ISKA British super lightweight title??
Richard Hines
Posted: 2009-02-11 11:02:10
Stacey Gosden holds the IKF british dont know about the ISKA,i think its vacant?
markgibbs
Posted: 2009-02-11 19:05:57
Colin will tell you better but the IKF is vacant I think, is it being contended soon on Colins show by Lee Holingsworth?

Think that the ISKA is now vacant as Barinder vacated it after winning it in his fight with Shaun Burton?

Stacy is under 62k, lightweight.
Colin Payne
Posted: 2009-02-11 19:17:36
The IKF British title at super-lightweight is in fact held by Stacey Gosden, the limit being 62.2

The light-welter title is planned for May with Richard waller to fight Lee Hollingsworth...this is dependent on Lee coming thru his contest next week ok.
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markgibbs
Posted: 2009-02-11 20:55:52
My mistake. Was thinking of the rankings weights.
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