The best fighter in the world.

Who do you think??

what style? mma, thai, kick,boxing give us a clue, past or present pacquiao for me in boxing

would say Fedor probably...he s no mug in stand up or ground

Ok.

All present.

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BUT whom do you think is the best fighter in the world??
Never mind what disciplines, all of.

Im asking for a overall fighter.......
the best of the best.

GSP. Man has it all. Would love to see him after a month training in thailand though.

yeh i agree the best of the best has to be an mma fighter, but again so many to pick from i cant call it

in MMA yes george st: pierre
or the Spider

Has to be Jean Claude Van Damme. The man beat Tong Po in a fight with glass on their hands! shit!

Lol very funny Nephilim, he was at channel 7 on saturday, looks really old, skin all wrinkly, bit like sandy holts, ha ha

Forget Thai, MMA, BJJ ........ when Iron Mike was at the top of his game, nobody would have got the better of that man. Sheer raw strength and aggression !!!

Can you imagine being stood in front of him as he ran over to you with all-out intentions of murdering you ??? I'm sorry but a push-kick or a spinning elbow wouldn't quite cut it. :-)

I'm sure a good hard low kick to his sparrow legs might've had an effect though...

shortly after his retirement(1st time) iron mike was seen at many mma shows , talked about fighting mma, and i believe was even offered a contract but declined, wonder why ? didnt fancy getting kicked to pieces, taken down, and choked out , probably

mayweather and Saenchai no one comes close

liam badco you think mayweather gona handle the pacman if it does come off , i think pacquiao will nudge him on work rate and his defence getting better now but gona be one hell of a hyped fight when it happens

peetee ....... if you read my post correctly, you'll see I wrote when he was, "at the top of his game". Not after his 1'st retirement.

Neph .... yeah right, a Kick-boxer / Thai-boxer would have beaten an on-form Mike Tyson every day of the week. In fact, I reckon a 2nd year Tai-Chi student could have 'done him'.

Stop talking bollocks.

The man knew boxing and had murderous power in them. But to say that he would've had any idea what he was doing otherwise is bollocks.

There's plenty of decent boxers/kickboxers etc. who try the transition to things like K1 or MMA and don't fare so well because they can't deal with things like leg kicks, clinch or grappling.

If we're talking UK scene only, I'd bet on ANY of the top 5 ranked guys in the country at ANY weight against the respective top ranked boxer in the world. The same goes for MMA, it's a no brainer.

Agree with Liam petrosyan k1 also x

Toughest fighter hmmmm,1st you'd have to strip away all the rules to make it even, how many thai, mma, kickboxers etc would survive 10 minutes in a locked room with Iron Mike at his peak? in fact how many would of gone in the room. Kick his legs in, just going make him angrier, choke him, he would bite a chunk out of you

i too would go for tyson.

dunno, havin sparred with a few MMA guys, a few sambo guys etc. if you don't know what you're doing on the ground but are fighting someone the same weight who does then you're at a huge disadvantage. Virtually none of what you learn in any striking range translates to the ground. You stick fedor and tyson in a room and tell em only ones gettin out - I'll bet on fedor. I mean, shit, you seen how tough the guy is!?



suplexed onto his HEAD and he just shrugs it off and subs the guy!

You know out of curiosity, why would some fighters decided to diversify what they are doing good?

Is it a challange to evolve and test 1selfs ability strength?

example bob sapp, an american football player now a fighter.

I do believe personally that tyson was a very powerfull and dangerous man.

But I think it must be muhammed ali in boxing. he just didnt seem to give up and his witty attitude just makes me laugh all the time.
For boxing I think its him.Imo

sorry guys tyson would not last a second with fedor!

its all pointless though isnt it coz you cant compare a pro boxer to a pro thai boxer, completely different sports! just boxing, Tyson in his prime would batter most people, same as MMA, Thai etc there are people who are p4p the best but mix it all up and put them into different rules against each other (in theory) and they all become novices! actually thats quite interesting!

im talking open rules maz, do as you like, fight til the death tyson in his prime would not beat fedor, it would be near impossible. although tyson would murder him in a boxing match. fedor is an alround elite fighter and tyson was a mean as hell boxer with a ferocius temper, that temper and visiousness wouldnt help him one bit against fedor though, hes too big and too strong and too clever, he would snap all his limbs backwards

put iron mike in his prime in a locked room with any top mma fighter and sorry in my opinion iron mike who no doubt was awesome, fearless and brutal goes down and once hes down he gets choked, and will crombie you ever tried to bite someone when getting choked , dont think so , i have trained muay thai for 30 years but if you dont know how to fight on the ground then your dead meat when a good wrestler or jits player gets ahold, the standard of mma now is top leval hard to see how some of these guys can get better. your right paulinthailand and people with a different opinion are either ignorant or stupid.

Feckin LOL @ that Fedor scrap that Neph posted up.I'm not knocking Fedor at all, and granted, he continued after being dropped on his bonce, but c'mon ?? ......... look at the left hooks he's throwing when he finally gets on top.

My gran could punch harder, and I can picture Tyson led there crying with laughter shouting "Stop tickling me Fedor".

Tyson was a street fighter through and through, he had to tame his temper (obviously not all the time) to perform in the pro-boxing arena.

I'm still giggling picturing somebody trying to arm-bar him, or put a choke on him. he he he

I think if the whole MMA thing wouldn't work against Tyson then he'd have went into MMA. The man would've instantly gotten paid more than any MMA fighter ever has and by all accounts, he's not without his financial difficulties these days.

He'd get broken into pieces by any of the heavyweights in the UFC for example.

Knobsy... do you know anything about MMA?

anderson silva would smash fedor in a round in my opinion. same with gsp. the top 2 mma fighters are anderson silva and jon jones but i also fancy tysons chances on the right day

Don't know much about MMA Neph .... know the 2 sinclair brothers though, and a couple of other lads.

TBH, wtf that has do with it though i'm not really sure ??. The OP asked for opinions, and that's what he's got, my opinion.

How many top-flight heavyweight pro-fighters do you know Neph ?? :-)

How many people i know in the sport is irrelevant - It's not what I asked you lol. Besides, it was a genuine question as to whether or not you knew anything about MMA, not me implying that because you don't know anything your opinion isn't relevant. The reason I asked this is because if you don't, then I can understand why you won't comprehend the difference between someone like fedor and someone like tyson.

I on the other hand know a bit about both and my opinion takes that into account.

If, on the other hand, you know nothing about MMA, to immediately make the statements you've made about choking out and armbars is honestly a little bit ignorant.

What sport do you follow btw?

Anderson Silva, GSP & Jose Aldo without a doubt.

Muay Thai, Neph. Coming up for 18yrs now. Prior to that, amateur boxing. I've never been top-draw,I'm not the toughest kid on the block, I've had a couple of Inters and thats it, but I've been around boxing in one shape or another from my teens to present day. I'm 46 yrs old now.

I love the sport with all my heart but would put my house on Tyson beating an equivalent Thai-boxer.

I was probably watching MMA or UFC (circa the Gracie Bros) when you were sucking yer mothers nipple. Granted I dont, nor have never trained in it, but our gym is co-rented by MMA guys and I have seen a bit of their training.

Now don't go off on one about being Captain MMA or something like that. Whether I train in Thai, Judo or Crochet patterns .... I have an opinion, the OP asked for it .... and now you know what it is.

It's like asking the age old Ali v Tyson question, there's no correct answer, only opinions. Well, you've got my side of it, roughly 30+ years of knowledge. I'm no expert at all, and don't claim to be. Whats your sport and pedigree Neph ???

Don't get me wrong knobsy, I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion or anything and I'm not having a go if that's what you think. I'm just pointing out that, whilst it is just your opinion, I'm also entitled to point out why I think it's a stupid one.

The reason why I asked which sport was just that it's very common for people who have boxing as a first love to have the same sort of attitude towards MMA.

Me, I did a little bit of boxing, a little bit more of TKD and have trained in thai for 6 years now. I've very very rarely cross trained with some MMA guys and whilst I typically find my standup is better, overall, it doesn't worry them because they don't need to stay on their feet.

knobsy, i suggest you go to train with a good mma gym comprising some brazilian jits players and some iranian wrestlers, i promise after you have tried everything you know , they will destroy you in a matter of minutes, your blinkered opinion might then change, in 30 years i have trained with top leval thai boxers , pro boxers, ufc fighters and thats my opinion

peetee ..... I reiterate, I'm a middle-aged man, I've no intention of training/sparring MMA or wrestling with men half my age. Randy Bollocks Courture might enjoy it, but I wouldn't :-) As an aside, why is my opinion "Blinkered" and not yours eh ???

Whos are the top-level pro boxers you have trained with ?? If Tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Lewis, Ali are amongst them, i'll bow to your 'Blinkered' opinion. I've got a sneaky feeling their not gonna be on your list.

The question is "In your opinion, who is the best fighter in the world" ??. Now we could go all pedantic and say the question relates only to the here and now, in which case, and looking at the Pro-Boxing Heavyweight ranks, there's maybe a case for your choice and that of Neph's.

However, the net seems to have spread wider and fighters of yesteryear are being mentioned. So ... IN MY OPINION, Tyson would tear anybody who came in front of him, a feckin new arsehole. End of.

Tyson in his prime was the most dangerous fighter in the world, once in wrecking mode I couldnt see anyone stopping him, chewing someones ear off with millions watching, proving the animalistic character of the man. In a locked room with no rules,how many guys would risk putting a limb or body close to the mans mouth, hed rip your bicep off or take a big chunk out of your calf thigh etc.Then consider the mans devestating power with gloves on, how would these other guys go on after a tirade of full bore punches with no gloves on. If Tyson advertised looking for opponents to go in a closed room with him with no rules, how many would take him up?

Absolutely spot on Will !!! These lads have either never seen Tyson aged 17/18/19/20/21 yrs old, or still believe Mr T from The A-Team was once the baddest man on the planet ??

In their defence, (and the drum I'm banging), is it's only opinion. No one will ever, ever, ever know if what we think is right, as Tyson is way past his best now,but still the fight would NEVER happen even if he was in his prime.

I reiterate, MY OPINION is Tyson in his prime was any and every fighters nightmare.

tyson was the best boxer ever in my opinion, but if he was fighting with no rules what so ever, any wrestler could take him down and if that happened he'd be like a fish out of water. boxers stand side on with their lead leg out as im sure you already know, well that to a wrestler is akin to fighting tyson with your hands down hanging your chin out going "hit me then you big pansy". if he landed a bomb, yes he'd drop anyone in the world, but no one with more than an hours worth of wrestling experience would risk standing with him, they'd just pick his front leg up and slam him on his head, and thats as close to fact as you're going to get

also theres people out there that have done far worse than take a chunk out of someones ear, its not that crazy. we live in a world of murderers and rapists and far more desperate people than tyson that would be willing to go a lot further than biting someones ear to get as much media attention possible from a loss

chris eubank was once asked how a pro boxer would fair vs a mma fighter he said there is no way possible any good pro boxer would beat an equal mma guy, carl frotch said he trained with dan hardy and even with the massive weight difference there would be no chance in this world he could take him in a street fight!

All this stuff about Tyson is bollocks. Tyson ducked Holyfield for years, and look what happened when they met. And Holyfield ducked Lewis, and look what happened when they met. Lewis arguably won the first fight, and did win the second. So, does that make Lewis 'the most dangerous man on the planet'? No, because there's no such thing as P4P best, etc. 'P4P best' is all ifs and buts.

Holyfield was still in cruiserweight when Tyson was at his peak in late 80s. Post-prison Tyson was not the same fighter. he was out of the ring for 4 years and then had 5 fights in his first year out , 18 minutes of fights, Holyfied was the 5th, no way was he going to beat him then

plus (and great to watch this fight again after so may years!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDb0rM6hHk

from the off Holyfied led with his head- it was blatant eh was teh taller guy and always pushing Tyson with his head- this ref should not have been in there with those guys!!

Again, all ifs and buts. If Tyson stayed out of jail. If they met in Tyson's 'prime'. If Evander didn't lead with his head. If Halpern wasn't the ref...
Tyson was unable to adjust when Evander put him on the backfoot. Regardless of the leading of the head, Tyson was getting out-boxed by the better boxer.

Its not all ifs and buts at all. A few of us are saying WHEN Tyson was at his prime, NOBODY could beat him !! Now THAT is fact. Forget Holyfield, he came later.

WTF dont you get about Tyson knocking the absolute shite out of Mr Wrestler ?? Tyson with 12/14/16Oz gloves on knocked out men twice his size. Imagine him with those flimsy MMA thingys on ?? Mr Wrestler would be waking up after Tyson had had a shower, left the building, and ordered up a slice of fanny.

Please,please, please try and view some of Tysons prime fights as he was coming through the Pro game and building up to his world record title fight.You must be a youngster if you think the Tyson you've seen was him at his best ??. Now after looking at the early fights, and seeing that most were 1st round KO's, picture Fedor or even Mr Wrestler himself, Hulk Hogan stood there in the opposite corner to Iron Mike ?? They'd be shitting themselves and wouldn't be able to handle the force, power, and speed of Tysons combos. Let alone when the money shot landed. Ground work my arse.

Compairing an MMA fighter to Hulk Hogan is just ridiculous. Saying Tyson would've "knocked the absolute shite out of" an MMA heavyweight of today, is like me saying Superman would beat Batman. Listen, I've seen Tyson's 'prime' fights, he's one of my favourite boxers of all time, and yes his power, speed, timing, athleticism, whatever were mesmerizing. But, he would've not beaten an MMA heavyweight in the octagon, he would've got broken by any of ranked heavyweights in MMA. Vice versa with a boxer fighting an MMA fighter in the ring. Because they know how to fight in their own sport. They are trained for it. You might think otherwise, but each to their own.

steven seagul in his prime

lol to be honest knobsy, you're being awfully dismissive and insulting about a sport you've admitted you know nothing about. It's like kickboxers givin it yaldie about a specific thai fight because they have no appreciation for how much more involved it is and hence how little perspective their limited art gives them.

MMA > Thai Boxing > Boxing. Thats the pecking order for striking.

And though it won't mean anything to you...

MMA > Wrestling > BJJ. That's the grappling side of things.

Oh and Fedor comes from a Sambo background, not wrestling. Oh AND that was a submission that's illegal in wrestling. AAAAANNNDDDD Hulk Hogan was a "professional" wrestler and randy couture was a sports wrestler - they're two completely different things. One is acting and the other is a competitive combat sport.

Nephilim

how on earth is MMA superior to boxing or muay thai when it comes to striking ???

some of the stand up in mma is fucking abysmal

I agree, but it's a much wider game - that's like a boxer saying how's the standup greater in muay thai, some of the boxing is horrible. So whilst I think the average MMA fighter, if forced to simply stand and strike, comes across as fairly mediocre, there's a whole lot of other aspects they're thinking of that the average boxer or thai boxer doesn't think about like takedown etc.

My god !!! You've both lost the arguement when you thought my comment about Hulk Hogan wasn't tongue-in-cheek.

Wind ya neck in Neph. I'm not being "Awfully dismissive and insulting" you lunatic. I'm trying to get over to a young man that IMO Tyson would kick the shit out of anybody when in his prime.

How do you think he got into Pro-Boxing ?? He wasn't at Violin practice and one day thought, "I'll have a go at that". He was a kid from the street where if you couldn't street fight you got walked over. Most of the men (twice his size) put in front of him in the ring came from varying rough upbringings where I'm fucking sure being able to scrap whilst on the ground was part of the apprenticeship. There wasn't many referee's on the street that I saw.

Gonna put this to bed now as it's only a thread of opinions. It's never going to actually happen Neph. You say Fedor, I say Tyson. Game over.

Aye, all they ghetto kids in the Bronx with a backbround in BJJ...

So you do agree that Tyson was the best ?? He must have had a helluva punch to throw one from Brooklyn where he was born and bred, and land it in 'The Bronx' ?? Aproximately 20miles between the 2 places.

I knew you'd come on board sooner or later Ross.

Where did I mention anything about Tyson and the Bronx? Doh!
I was meaning the ghetto kids with "varying rough upbringings". All aboard...

Don't beat yourself up Ross, we all make mistakes. Even BJJ guys.

Lol I got that the first time you said it knobsy. I'm still entitled to say, from a better vantage point than you, that your opinion is dismissive and ignorant of the reality. Fedor grew up in Soviet Russia. Soviet Russia vs Brooklyn.... I know if I knew nothing about two fighters but where they came from, I'd choose the guy from brooklyn.....

Of course your "entitled to say", Neph. Still counts for jack-shit though as it's just your opinion. Nobody's gonna be running around the romm screaming, "Neph is the voice of fighting, only his opinion matters".

Just to get a handle on this, who the fook are you backing in this senseless debate ?? In earlier posts you seem to be fawning over MMA practioners like Fedor, yet in your latest offerings you say you will back the man from Brooklyn against Fedor , which happens to be Tyson in this debate.

Are your teenage hormones playing up young man ?? Decisons seem harder to make and stand by ?? All part of growing up young Neph, being at a better vantage point than you, I can confirm that as fact. :-)

me lol

I just worded that wrong - i meant if i had to choose who to fight i'd choose the guy from brooklyn. knobsy, I'm 25. Nor am I looking for anyone to say I'm right - but you're constantly going on about how your opinion is the shiz and trying to get the last word. I'm simply arguing it from a better stand point. You don't want me arguing then simply stop posting. It won't automatically change your opinion.

Ooops !! Reading your last sentence it appears to be yet another mis-worded post Neph ?? I wont be "Automatically changing MY opinion" thanks.

So many errors/contradictory postings Neph ?? What are folk supposed to make of your ramblings ?? I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if you were to say that Joe Pasquale is the worlds greatest fighter, as he once looked at a MMA poster ??

Your youth and naievity come shining through with your last post Neph. As with most of your other 'viewpoints' on this forum, it is you yourself that insists on having the last word.

Chin up though pal, I'll stick around correcting you when it's neccessary. :-).

Lol and now you're being condescending which is amusing when you can't even read a post coherently. I honestly don't know why but you've had an attitude from your first comment. You seem pretty pissed off that someone dared argue with your tyson verdict. Well I don't agree and I'd say the bookies wouldn't either. Get over it mate.

Oh dear. Another faux pas young Neph. The bookies wouldn't take ANY bets I'm afraid, as what we are talking about is just 'make believe'.
Rather like when your parents read you bed-time stories about Fedor being the baddest man on the planet. They never got to the end though, where a shining knight called Tyson appeared and kicked the shit out of him.

Tyson every time for me. Probably for you as well, by the end of this fruitless debate ??!!

Nap. Fedor would rape him a new bumhole. To go along with the extra bumhole he got in prison.

LOL. I've always had my suspicions that Fedor, and MMA guys in general, bat for the other side. All that cuddling they do must influence their sexual persuasion at some point.

it has been said before

Ha ha ha ..... lol @ that Paul.

the pic has changed now as i have put a picture up on another thread under the same file name, didnt realise it would change here also

What a shame. For those that missed it, it really was a beautiful moment caught on camera, of two muscular MMA guys hugging each other and giggling like little girls. Their flirtatious eyes capture that "Ooooh, lets play arm-bars" moment,seen only too often in octagons around the world.

I thought I also caught a glimpse of Tyson in the background, looking like he wanted to grab both of them, rip their heads off, and shit down their necks.

Then again ..... Neph reckons I'm biased ??!! :-)

in all fairness these are two of the most feared mma guys ever its shogun and the mad ax man wanderlei sivlva,.

Sssh, I'm playing Neph at his usual game Paul. :-)

knobsy I seen the initial post earlier. I didn't post because I felt all superior because I knew who both of the fighters were and I'd seen the picture before. I'd tip either one of them to break tyson as well.

LOL. You're a card Neph :-)

Tyson or any other top boxer going in2 an mma fight or street fight having only there boxing training with a top mma fighter would be taken down by there legs b4 they got a punch in no question and finished by submission in a min
if they trained mma for a year or 2 and new what to look out for and trained for it they might last enuf time to get that 1 punch they are lookin for,but with no training forget about it

back to the original point of the thread - Anderson Silva the best all round p4p imo.