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Topic:Tommy Mccaffrty Fights For 3rd World Title
jag
Posted: 2011-12-13 17:50:33


ISKA 2 x World champion Tommy McCafferty will be challenging for his 3rd World Title. Tommy will attempt to win the WKA Middleweight World title this Friday in Munich Germany.

He will be facing WKA World Champion Semen Poskotin from Germany.

This will be a very interesting fight as it will be fought under the WKA new rules for full contact World Titles.

The rules are in a nut shell 5x3 min rounds NO foot or shin pads kicks above the waist in shorts and NOT in long trouser’s.

The venue is sold out with a 3000 capacity there’s going to be some atmosphere in that venue. Can’t wait for this one Tommy is always exciting to watch very explosive from the start to the end. Good luck from all of us at Leicester Kickboxing.

Hopefully I will post some pictures up on here when I get back.
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-13 17:57:14
his name is really semen?
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-14 03:29:48
Seems like the identidy of FC is being lost, not sure if this is good.
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-14 04:21:48
Ive been saying that FC should go this way for years. Long trousers and in particular moon boots are just not cool! I think ringstars with no shins would look better and encourage more diverse kicking techniques though.

Also 5 x 3's will encourage more explosive fast paced fights and will be more appealing to the general public. This in my opinion is a smart and brave move by the WKA. Will this be the case in UK WKA World Titles?

now just to sack the kick count!! Heard it too many times - "a boxer cannot win a kickboxing bout" why not its a fight? Best weapons win kicks can beat hands when used correctly a kick count just makes it feel false.
noel london
Posted: 2011-12-14 04:46:09
some great commentary available here eh...

"here comes Semen"
"its going badly here he has Semen all over him"

thank god he isnt in the same weight class as thai boxer gaylord montier......

apologies for total off topic but thats the best first name ever
The Anvil
Posted: 2011-12-14 07:40:16
Best of luck tommy bring back the gold!!
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-14 09:43:35
I agree with the ringstars and no shin pads, but long trousers give it its own identity. 5x3 sounds good tho.
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-14 09:49:04
No ring star just shorts 5x3 is good good luck tom
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-14 10:02:15
Good luck to Tom

I hate this new concept. Kickboxing failed so lets turn full contact into the same format but without low kick's

full Contact has its own identity and lets not forget where it come from and why the long pants and boots.

Kickboxing is a format so thie can meet full con. it didn't work.
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-12-14 10:46:17
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-14 04:21:48

Also 5 x 3's will encourage more explosive fast paced fights and will be more appealing to the general public.

More appealing than 12 round fights? Really? Would a one round fight be even better?
Its the sport and particularly the poor way it is run and promoted that make it unappealing to the general public not the number of rounds.
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-14 10:57:05
I love fc kickboxing but I still think most 12 round fights are a bit boring?
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-14 13:18:41
I agree with Mick aand highlander on the rounds. 5x3 would be more explosive but still as hard! its like when they made K1 3x3 with 1 extra round in case of draw, I think that's genious!
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-14 14:00:22
Why should a world champion only fight the same number of rounds as a national champion
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-14 14:27:42
Because if he's a champion he'll do it better. Lol I fail to see why being a champion means you need to show that you can fight a much longer, much more boring fight. How does that have anything to do with your skill as a champion? Anyone can get fit. Its the skill that earns you the title shot in the first place.

Not really interested but just thought i'd interject my tuppence
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-14 16:19:00
In boxing the distance is the same from British up to World title fights.
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-14 17:42:02
same in thai
Farhad
Posted: 2011-12-14 18:08:58
For the very first time in the History of AX I agree with Nephilim!!!
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-15 06:32:22
Yes and last year most assosiations were talking of British titles being held over the same duration as in regular boxing.
So if World is now 5 rounds then should british be 3 and area 2?????????????
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-15 07:10:53
All titles over 5 rounds amateurs 5x2 pro 5x3
Shawn 'Boom Boom' Burton
Posted: 2011-12-15 07:20:07
Good luck Tommy, class fighter, beat my boy Aaron a couple of years ago and we said he would go far

The 5x3 is a great idea in my opinion and this exact format, uniform etc is something I spoke to IKF about using on my last show as a pilot. I am all for this
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-15 07:53:23
Again I agree with highlander! Non title fights to be 3x2 for am and 3x3 for pro. Title fights 5x2 and 5x3.
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-15 09:53:02
Lol it xmas lets all agree
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-15 10:57:00
No Lee a 1 round fight would not be better what a stupid idea. You should think things through mate one rounds wouldn't settle anything.
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-15 11:28:35
Barr humbug I still dant agree
DanUK
Posted: 2011-12-15 12:10:31
I said ages ago i'd love to see 5 x 3min rounds with no boots and no shin, and wearing shorts. I think it'll be brilliant to watch!
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-15 12:14:52
Steve u mite left behind ? Maybe Scott be Ryan end of 2012 mate if he keep winning x
Colin Payne
Posted: 2011-12-15 15:02:05
Really not sure about this to be honest. When I think about the problems the sport has and the reasons why there is lack of recognition, etc none of what I think about involves the rules themselves.

Good luck to tommy of course thou maybe only having 5 rounds to knockout his opponent in a country where the phrase 'have to knock them out to win' sometimes seems to apply, is maybe not such a good thing!
paddy toland
Posted: 2011-12-15 15:03:57


Tommy weighed in @ 72.4kg Semen 72.3kg it's all looking good for tomorrow for the WKA World light middleweight title.
DanUK
Posted: 2011-12-15 15:29:52
ultimately any success surely stems from public interest. TV coverage, sponsorship etc must depend upon public interest, so what do they want to see? 12 paced and tactical rounds, or 5 explosive "full on"" rounds? With MMA and MT to compete with, i believe FC needs to adapt, to appeal to the paying public. As much as i love FC as it is, i want it to move forward, and really catch the eye of the public. As it is, it's a niche sport, appealing only to a few "hardcore " fans [not including friends and family of a fighter].
It must seem very "safe" to jo public, with "moon boots" and shin guards. Surely any business that isn't doing too well, must adapt and fill the demand?
I'm no expert, and there a guys on here who promote and own gyms that are far more experienced than me, but the term "flogging a dead horse " comes to mind. I love FC and always will, but surely to compete with boxing,mma and MT it needs to evolve?????? Just a thought....
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-15 17:43:47
I still think we should keep the trousers to save people that aren't into the sport the confusion, they will know it is Full Contact.
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-15 18:33:38
I actually think you would see more knockouts in 5 x 3 than 12 x 2's. Dean i respect the history of the trousers but they look shit with moon boots and even worse without. Long shiny trousers are just not cool. They really aren't, speak to anyone from any other combat sport or random members of the public and see what the opinion is. FC is a young sport relative to others it is still evolving. 12 x 2's is purely driven by boxing look at the country's that do stand up kicking sports right and they tend to favour 3 x 3's 5 x 3's. IE, Holland, Thailand, Japan...Also i think the ring stars for a unique look and to encourage more side kicks, axe kicks, and chambered kicks with the feet alongside shin kicks etc as these can be used effectively. And sack the kick count. For real if you can't make it work against a pure boxer what is the point in kickboxing??
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-16 03:13:51
I actually like the trousers if I'm honest and would make it ringstar boots with bare shin. If we did adopt to shorts, IMO they would have to be different from Muay Thai shorts, maybe longer like K1 style. Just my input.
Blakrose
Posted: 2011-12-16 03:32:37
Can't see why 5 rounds should be descrided as explosive and 3 as boring. What will happen will happen. Look at Akufo v Deakin. Set for twelve lasted 3 the longer distance is a must for me.

If you have two shit fighters fighting, it will still be a shit fight no matter how longer it lasts. Amateurs to wear boots and shin, pros without.Trousers stay
Blakrose
Posted: 2011-12-16 03:35:29
Of course I meant twelve as boring.

Carter v Beg was 10 and anything but boring
Jamie Bates
Posted: 2011-12-16 04:22:45
The trousers concept is what full contact has been about to Jo public if we went to shorts I think it would be too confusing saying that I wouldn't mind fighting for a WKA title under them rules :) I don't think we can get a better rule change since the introduction of head guards for amateurs work upon what's there rather than change just my opinion

Good luck to tommy go for the KO
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-16 07:56:57
Ringstar boots sound ok

I may be wrong and stand to be corrected but is most of this new concept driven from the Thie/low kickboxing people on Ax and not those from a full contact back ground
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-16 08:25:10
I'm kickboxing background Doug I started wih ECKA but having taken feedback from people who see me fight and being more involved in low kick and k1 recently have to say they look dated and boring. Agree with Dean tho they would have to be unique and i think the ringstars would add a good unique look to them. Could accept ringstars and no shins for pros with trousers i guess but bare feet and trousers look wrong.

Good point from Allen on the Beg Carter fight and fighters making the fight but if we rewarded power, aggression and flamboyant kicking we could show off FC's strengths over other stand up arts but as it is it looks dated and does encourage the boxing with a few kicks style that many - not all - adopt.

I think it is definitely safe to say that FC is not cool anymore and i am basing this on seeing the reaction to FC vs reactions to K1 and Thai by casual fight fans. Since the growth of MMA I think FC looks quite tame to the uninitiated. We need to make it appear more exciting and appealing. And not for it to grow but to stay where it is. Thats my opinion.
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-16 08:55:14
Scuba steve as u know im from fc back ground as I trained under Steve Humphreys ukcba but did fight a bit or low kick and Thai? I dont like ring star boots but were the only fighters doing still in long pants it a bit dated? Agree u get some good fights over 12 round Allan ive seen about. Twenty of them only 3 were realy good and the public get bored ? But each to there own time will tell if it works for wka
Blakrose
Posted: 2011-12-17 02:11:44
Someone will tell me if I'm wrong but ringstar boot type fighting ain't new. Don't they call it Savate, in France, and been going on for a very long time.

I know lets just put a pair of twelve hole Doc Martins on with steel toe caps. That should get the job done quicker and be exciting.

I suppose you guess I ain't a fan.
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-17 07:16:06
What would you do for the Amitures becouse shorts and shins look shit
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-17 07:17:46
The savate boots are totally different. The ringstars are quite soft and look much better than moon boots. Have you been kicked by ringstars? Theres no difference to a normal kick they just look better.
Paul Sutton
Posted: 2011-12-17 08:06:40
Just like to say well done to Gareth Richards Cardiff Kickboxing Club the new Wka World Fullcontact Champion 84kg beating Dominik Haselbeck (germany) last night gareth is now 2 times world champion. Gareth fought in france last month and ko the french champion in 30 secs. So if you good enough you will get the decision going your way. I took my fighter Ryan Lowney in august to mladen last fight night he came back as WKA European Kickboxing Champion. Well done to Gareth and his trainer Denzil Lawrence.

Tommy lost his world title fight don't now the details.

Great Result
paul
Dean Petty
Posted: 2011-12-17 08:24:34
Any1 know the result of the fight?
Dean Petty
Posted: 2011-12-17 08:32:28
Haha scratch my last post, I hadn't refreshed the page
jameswallis
Posted: 2011-12-17 08:59:54
Congrats to gareth richards good win on points that is.
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-17 10:36:19
Gareth Richards an amateur or pro? Also was Ryan's title fight Low Kick or Full Contact?
jameswallis
Posted: 2011-12-17 10:42:43
Gareth is pro mate
Paul Sutton
Posted: 2011-12-17 12:09:52
Hi dean Ryan was lowkick kickboxing 63.5kg pro title why do you want to challenge him? He fought mohammad jamel who had over 50 fights under his belt.

And gareth was a pro title.

not seen you on the circuit this year dean may be next year have a nice christmas

cheers paul
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-17 14:34:46
Tommy ko d in 2 unlucky but i ll bet ur be back stronger
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-17 15:04:12
No i don't consider myself to be at that level yet, just curious. Gareth looks like a good addition to a very busy cruiserweight division in britain.
Paul Sutton
Posted: 2011-12-17 16:37:54
No problem dean yes gareth a good fighter fights at 81kg and move up a weight to fight last night.

Good luck in your next fight
Blakrose
Posted: 2011-12-17 20:03:45
Just like to congratulate Garath for his win well done too him and Denzil.
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-18 07:34:24
Thanks Paul.
Jamie Bates
Posted: 2011-12-18 07:38:19
Did Gareth fight the traditional fc rules, if he wants to defend it I'd happily fight him for it
Colin Payne
Posted: 2011-12-18 08:32:06
Got to love the use of the words 'traditional FC' Jamie lol
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-18 09:09:18
Knocked out by semen. Ouch. Thats gotta hurt the pride as much as the head!
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-18 09:38:42
Collin love it I gess we must be traditionalists then ???

Does the fact that it is the WKA changing the rules go back to the 70,s
when the sport was 1st come
over to the uk WAKO was doing all the Ameteurs ISKA was full contact and the WKA was low kick. these was the only Orgs over hear with the acception of Thie boxing orgs.
So Im wondering if this is why the WKA are thinking this way ???
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-18 10:23:44
When was the rule change made? Just wondering bacause Scott Allan defended his WKA world title 2 weeks ago over 12x2 min rounds with long trousers annd shinguards.
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-18 10:51:58
I may be wrong but I thi nk its a german thing and not world wide
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-18 11:33:06
Cant see wka having one set of rules and world champions for Germany and one for the rest of the world? Paul Sutton ? Pls
sam allan
Posted: 2011-12-18 12:34:42
scott got the chance to fight 12x2 with trousers and boots then he can or he has a choice of 5x3 with shorts and no protection...im sure it could may well be a trial period to see if it works or not?? i think mladen steko or klause would be the men to email
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-18 13:03:57
Thanks Sam seem wrong to have two sets of rules ? Wka was the king of kickboxing for yrs now seems a bit lost in itself ? Just my own thoughts. As ever fight I had was with wka now I dont like putting my boys on wka shows because of a low blow rule last time and now no one knows the rules ?
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-18 15:22:31
whoops have I put some light on this

leave it as it should be
Scott Allan
Posted: 2011-12-19 09:36:55
Yes I was scheduled to fight 12x2's (it went 10) and in the WKA rules it clearly states Professional Fighters (in full contact) have the choice of fight with/without their shin pads. I'm a fan of fighting the championship distance of 12 rounds, gives you time to wear your fighter right down and stop him in style like I just did :) ... 5x3's may be more entertaining for the public but fighters should be fit enough to go at a heavy pace for 12 rounds just like in boxing and if not there not TRUE professionals!

BUT hey that's only my opinion ;)

S
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-19 09:49:07
Scott fighting with out shin is one thing but the weekends show they were fighting with shorts and no boots?WKA cant have to sets of rules for FC fights and different rounds it crazy or what next two sets of WKA FC champions ?Can WKA explain what going on ?
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-19 12:36:52
There def has to be a clear up of the rules from WKA, either one or the other, you can't pick and choose.
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-19 13:41:30
5 x 3's at a heavy pace is still a tough fight Scott. And to be fair how many 12 rounders have a strong pace? Not many especially above 72kg. Also scoring needs to be more effect based as too many fighters relying on round kicks to the guard to score points with both fighters coming out after 12 without a mark on them. The sport could defo use a tweaking, if not the rounds, then definately the look and the scoring. Congrats on the win by the way Scott done in style and against a dangerous opponent! :D
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-19 14:27:08
Yes well done Scott?
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-19 15:08:16
Scott ur dad a wka rep so can he explain to alI the rules
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-19 15:22:58
anyone ever watch the chahid and zambidis k1 fight?

even lower than 5 rounds and the two of them were blowin out their asses at the end of that fight. 12 rounds is a relic leftover from the 70s when guys with big mustaches and karate gis wanted to act liek they could hang with the pro boxers.
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-19 16:45:15
5x3s with trousers or long shorts and ring star boots with no shins does it for me. Fighters will stop taking kicks as will feel the difference and will start checking the kicks. I think this will make the sport better, defs with Mick and highlander on this.
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-20 17:12:27
12 rounds sorts the men from the boys
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-20 17:18:12
Steve doesnt mate anymore than 5x3 but we never agree so marry xmas mate
Blakrose
Posted: 2011-12-21 01:29:00
My mom always told me, its the men who who wear the trousers and boys who wear the shorts. So now I'm confused again Dougie. Lol.
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-21 05:07:59
12 round fights are boring, 5 round fights are awesome!
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-21 08:39:51
I stil;l think shin pads and shorts look shit
Well bar humbug lol
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-21 09:12:56
There will be no shin pads tho.
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-21 09:15:32
What about Ams Dean ? Ive just looked at uor photo and you have them on?? Nice belt tho well done/ Shin pads look shit
gary hamilton
Posted: 2011-12-21 09:27:32
Sorry guys I disagree with 12rds bein boring iv been involved in a lot of them and loved every1 of them and always my 12 rd has iv always tryed 2 make it like my 1st rd as 4 the boots u het used 2 them but having is also good..
Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-21 17:40:25
Yeah shinpads ain't a good look, need to think about that one.
Nephilim
Posted: 2011-12-21 18:12:26
12 rounds may not be boring in everyone's eyes, I don't dispute that. But to most people, especially those with little to no real knowledge of a sport it's dull dull dull. Especially kickboxing.
powerranger
Posted: 2011-12-21 18:20:09
12 rds of kickboxing extremely boring no wonder no one not directly involved cares for the sport also with world champions all over the place its a complete joke. 5 rds much more exciting for fans
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-22 09:36:31
to be honnest how many 12 rounds fights take place every year in the uk and how many has any one seen
highlander
Posted: 2011-12-22 09:57:57
I see saw 5 last yr in total mind i went to about 30 shows
scuba steve
Posted: 2011-12-22 10:49:28
Sct had 2 10 rounders and one 12 though
I could not beleave how fast they went. I kept having to look at the ring girls to see what round it was. Thats why I looked honnest lol
LeeJonesJnr
Posted: 2011-12-23 10:37:05
Mick Crossland
Posted: 2011-12-15 10:57:00
No Lee a 1 round fight would not be better what a stupid idea. You should think things through mate one rounds wouldn't settle anything.



I don't think a 1 round fight would be better petal, I was illustrating what a poor idea 5 round FC title fights would be.
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Dean Ford
Posted: 2011-12-23 11:23:17
LeeJonesJnr, is this not the same guy who grassed in Ronnie Clark to the BBBoC?
Ur opinion is obviously very important.
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