hawkman "If you intentionally set out to insult someone i think you should bear the consequences", i think this is the problem that both myself and Yoda have mentioned, the debate on ax is not mature enough that when discussing politics or religion the discussion will quickly become "The tory's are all bastards and george bush is a cnut" instead of a reasoned approach and some attempt at a balanced argument, this is where i believe it is a waste of time lowering the bariers, ppl get pissed off when thier favourite myths are questioned, I peronally love the religious debate, but putting up a reasoned argument with the faithfull often ends in the gutter (usually gods gonna smite you mutha fuka lol)