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dan tharp
Posted: 2000-05-06 19:18:23
throwing in MT.Can someone give me a quick rundown on the takedown rules in Mt. I always says no judo or wrestling. What exactly does that mean? In Thailand they were all throws achieved through off balancing the opponent. I didd not see much of headlock or grabbing the thigh and dumping the guy. This was usually in desparation.
Matt-
Posted: 2000-05-06 19:28:14
I think Lollo, who by the way has be absent from the board for a while, said that only upperbody throws are allowed and you can't use your hip in the throw. So it must be some type of drag-down when they are off balance. Mark, Eric?
Mark L.
Posted: 2000-05-07 03:50:42
The tecnical rules, I think Lollo can say(I'm sure a few others too but...)better than I.

But as much as the rules say I have never seen a fighter in Thailand get more than a verbal warning, usually while the fight continues or while the guy gets up. MuayThai in the ring is a sport and the rules, I believe, are designed to keep the fighters safe and keep the fight action packed.
This is where I think the rules on throwing come from.
Again in the smaller stadiums you will often see lots of throws, especially with the kid fights. But MuayThai is suppose to be about a fight not 'wrestling around'. Which is why the Thais sometimes call ground fight, kid fight. I think anyway.
To fighters in the ring are suppose to fight fight.

Don't let this fool you. MuayThai is not void of throws and is not void of 'illegal' throws.

I have proffesed a few times how comfortable I am on my feet so I feel I must now say I went down a couple of times the other day. I was lighter and rotating guys but I went down, kind a pissed me off(at myself). One I took controle on the way down and came around with an elbow(not trying to land it, just sample) good power with my body weight and momentum right in an opening.

The other time we seperated and I was on my feet befor he could do anything.
Colin.H
Posted: 2000-05-11 00:39:31
Although we call them 'throws', throws,as such, do not happen in MT (appart from all those who teach or do it incorrectly).
You can't use your hips, or sweep, or hook the leg......
The opponent is more 'off balanced' than thrown, and you will notice that most 'throws' in MT are executed with a twist or turn of some discription.
You can turn your opponent over... usually your lead leg, to unbalance him, and you will find that some fighters will 'dump' thier opponent aggresively and others will just off balance and let the opponent fall (and there is the complete set of variations between the two). This all depends on the character of the fighter and the impression he wants to give of himself to the judges and crowd.
Mark L.
Posted: 2000-05-11 03:17:01
appart from those who do it incorrectly

Well, for the ring I see your point, but there is more to MuayThai than ring fight, or at least can be, can't there?

Good clearification though.
dan tharp
Posted: 2000-05-11 09:44:00
Thank you for clarifying that.
coe
Posted: 2000-05-19 08:00:19
A couple of weekends ago I saw a fighter putting another off balanced in a way that I´ve never seen before. The both fighters were clinched and one grabbed the oponent left leg with his right wrist and put his left leg on the back around the other leg of the oponent, meanwhile he was grabbing the oponent back with his left arm. then he pushed forward, the oponent had his legs secured so he falled on his back with the oponent on top. This is kinda hard to explain by words. This guy had trained in thailand. Is this kind of throw legal ? the ref didn´t said a word. Have any of you people seen this before?
Brian Ritchie
Posted: 2000-05-19 09:06:33
Sounds like a wrestling move called an inside trip. He was holding the opponent left leg and basically blocked off their other leg with their own leg and pushed forward, tripping them onto their back. Is that about right? It's a takedown but not a throw. I always thought the general rule was that the opponent cannot travel over your body, such as in judo throws or wrestling throws.
Wait...where did this fight take place? If you are allowed to trip, then that opens up a lot of possibilities...like an upper body lift (ala Greco Roman style) and tripping from the lift...which could result in a slam onto their head and upper body. Sounds fishy.
Canuck
Posted: 2000-05-19 09:21:32
My Ajan tought us a move a while back, but I'm not sure if it's allowed in the ring. When you are in a clinch and your opponent goes to knee you, you grab his leg (from the inside out) just behing the knee (so your elbow joint is behind the his knee joint), you then stand straight up and push/punch him in the chest while lifting your arm. I've used it a few times in the ring and it works really well!
Mark L.
Posted: 2000-05-19 10:30:29
Yeah, he likes that one.
He had a heated debate with a very large Greek guy about fighting and I remember that move being part of the discussion. I was used for the example.

Like you said about not knowing if its aloud in the ring. MuayThai is fight theres ring and theres street. Just because its not a legal ring move(I believe this is) doesn't nessasarily mean its not MuayThai.
Mark L.
Posted: 2000-05-19 12:50:51
I got thrown/take down my last fight. Should of let it happen. However, somehow I turned it around and(I think, gotta see the tape) got up and got him to the ground.
Mark L.
Posted: 2000-05-21 19:06:10
I just read that and am not sure if its clear.

He initiated the take down, he did get me down, he was staying standing(or trying to) as I went down I pulled him with me and managed to get up while keeping(or getting) him down.
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coe
Posted: 2000-05-25 13:12:46
Sorry for the delay and thanks for the feedback. Been kind of busy trying to get away with projects,exams and trainings.

Brian, the fight was full muay-thai rules with padding, amateur 3x3 min.rnds, I´m not sure what you mean by triping (my knowledge in grappling is reduced to some NBH videoclips and magazine pictures), the technique is kinda more like Canuck described it, where one catches another throwed knee, anyhow it did result in a slam of the head and body, well at least for the guy throwed.
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