i like to sing whiole kickin ass LOL
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I like to sing while kickin ass LOL
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I have heard over the years, that music can effect many things.

One area is fighting.

I'm not talking about music you like to train to, I'm talking about music that could make you a better fighter.

Is there such a thing?

More recently I have been listening to a little more classical (not much yet...) and I find it emmensily relaxing and refreshing (not all of course).

I have heard that its good for "the warriors soul" and if you look at many eastern arts theres a balance of soft to go with tha hard.

I think that classical could be a good part of the stress/recouvery cycle that any athlete needs to ride (for some of course).

This wouldn't be limited to classical of course.

But this soothing of the mind...could it help balance the physical and mental stresses of what being a fighter is about??

Any thoughts? Any evidance?

I remmeber reading years ago about putting an egg infront of a speaker at a rock concert..when the concert was done the eggs was 'hard boiled'. -? truth in that-I don't know

But I'vce heard many things from humans to plants to animals about effects music has...

Music is the Food of Life
"True"

I totally agree with you Mark.

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USA Fighter-in that case got any classical recomendations? hehe I run across alot I don't really care for.

two I like are Albinonis adagio in G minor (I actually like the Doors version)

Is it Mozart that has the moonlight sonata (spel?) and the 7th something :)

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I really don't think this hate or agressive music lends to improved performance in anything...

beethoven 40 and fifth, trans siberian orchestra. fur elise, not sure who does that one, and moonlight sonata.

ryde of the valkyries, wiliiam tell, 1812 overture.

i'll look up the composers, and get back to you.

Why not listen to Gangsta rap......

Seems to be the Melody of todays champions. With having "Homey's" rappen your way to the ring.

Such postitive music too,

What a bunch of crap.

okay.. 1812 and ride of the valkyries were both composed by tchaikowzky, and i think william tell was composed by richard wagner. i'll find some more.

Thanks ThePredator :)

No one else have any thoughts on the subject??

Again I think its about balance. Just like Thai culture is so lade back and happy and relaxed. i think that balances out the aggressiveness and aids big time in recouvery.

ThePredator and USA Fighter-I think we're on our own :)

most of the time, after a workout, i listen to either classical, or soft rock, so i can calm down a little. during my workout, i listen to more aggressive (yet not hate music) rock, techno, and some hip hop. i agree with you on balancing it, if you listen to the same stuff over a period of time, it gets worn out, plus your mood stops changing, you're either aggressive, or depressed, or happy, etc. who wants to be in just one state of mind all the time? there is a time and a place for aggressiveness and anger. i've found that on some occasions, i can fight smarter when i'm angry, as long as i don't over do it. I've had moments i get so angry, i can't see straight and just start swinging. but i've gotten better at controlling it, i do think it has a lot to do with the music you listen to. also, change days as far as music. if you're feeling shitty, and don't want to work, listen to the aggressive stuff, see if it cant help get you a little bit more energetic. if you're feeling over-amped, listen to soothing stuff to slow down the thoughts, keep them from racing everywhere.

"war" and "training montauge" by vince dicolla on the rocky soundtrack are also very good instrumental pieces. but then again, most rocky songs are excellent to train to, no matter what the mood.

"valkyries" =Wagner.
"William Tell=Rossini"

MARK:to relax,Mozart and Haydn are best.btw i hate Mozart lol.
Bach and other baroque-music are good for relaxing also,but also have a spiritual/mystique side.
you MUST try STRAWINSKY ! he`s by far the greatest composer of 20 th century !
his music has an incredible effect,but not in the way it makes you weep;i can`t explain it in English.my muscles contract,when i listen to his music,it`s magic ! his masterpiece is "Sacre de Printemps" ("Rite of Spring").it`s the most aggressive and "crazy" music in Classical genre !
some arias by Verdi show a good balance of aggression and serenity/optimism,so they could be useful for mental fight-preparation !one of them: the "Vendetta("Revenge"!)-aria from "Rigoletto" !

you should also give FREE JAZZ a try.don`t let the "first impression"fool you !
free jazz is very romantic lol !
my favourites are JOHN COLTRANE and CECIL TAYLOR.
somebody who dies without having listened to these two has missed a parallel-universe,something incredible and indescribable magic,cosmic !!
if you think you could dig FreeJazz,Mark,i`ll mail you links to some clips.
(but i`m not offended if you think that`s "noise" lol.just tell me honestly !)

SANDY(if you read this):after approx. 24 hours i found out how you could know about Marks progress.(what you said on "Water"-thread).
Johnny C.L.

PREDATOR:you just came across a bad source.i started to dig Classical Music when i was 23,B4 i didn`t know the first thing
about it.i think more ppl could appreciate it if there wan`t this blase-snobbish-attitude.my observation is that the more snobbish a concertgoer is,the less he knows.he`s just trying to impress other ppl.dreadful !
i`m sure you`ll discover more music that can be useful for you,perhaps also apart from MT !

cool..

You know I believe, every cell in our body is interlinked and every thought reverberates through the body. Every thought has a ripple effect that effects every cell. You can look at someone and see if they are depressed by their body language. You can also see if someone just won a huge game by their body language even if you couldn't see their face you could see a differance.

Its a little off topic but thoughts are partly to do with what stimulae we put into our head. Some trigger thoughts some give us a picture, word, or idea.

Hate music, sad song, negitivity ripples through our being and effects everything from our hormones to our immune system.

The same is true on the other spectrum of positivity.

Thoughts and feelings, just like muscles, can be strengthened. If you are always sad, its easy to be sad and hard to be happy...I think its a crazy cycle thats hard to break.

Being tense is learned to a large degree I beleive too. We all 'know' that it doesn't help you perform.

I think learning to relax and listening to relaxing music or inspiring music can aid in health and performance more than any negitivity could ever.

Relaxing the brain must have a soothing ripple that flows through our every cell.

You guys might think I'm crazy but I believe it. :)

Predator-I think anger can help performance. But I don't think its the only emotion that can or nessasarily the one that can the most.

3am-nice spelling lol

I need BASE to train to, the harder and faster the more intense the workout, I like to train to hardcore techno, gabber and speedcore or bands like system of a down or rage against the machine. Again this isnt for everyone infact most people at my club hate my music I guess its a case of expermimenting until you find the right tracks. All I know is there is nothing worse than being in the gym and something like Billy Idol comes on or some boyband, it realy effects my cardio workouts.

Music is the key to a good workout (but no Morrisey)

While training, I like to start with some moderately fast guitar rock e.g. AC/DC, and build it up from there, usually peaking with any Wagnarian tumult with some hardcore dance (preferably with as few lyrics as possible). This seems to bypass the frontal (intelligence based) brain lobes, and gets straight to my baser instincts. I also listen to short bursts of music which I don't like, in an attempt to create some discord and irritation in my mind because let's face it, no fight is ever plain sailing.

After training I always try to spend 20 or so minutes near running water, wind blowing through trees, natural sounds, you know the kind of thing. Thereafter, the voice of my 'significant other' soothes me to perfection.

Fantastic topic by the way. Music is a really valuable training aid.

Wow you are really from utopia!!

n8dog, Damn right! But you're from N.Z. so you already know about paradise.

Have a good one mate!

classical music is the tops. i like tchiakovsky's nutckracker suite also prokofieve's romeo and juliet,holst's planet suite and orff's carmina burrana.
also used to be a big ballet fan just haven't got the time to go these days.

stevie

This thread is not about training music-there have been threads like that.

stevie-I'll pass on the ballet lol

Stevie Nisbet,i don`t know you,but you seem to have a good taste !

Mark,does that mean you dislike aggressive/melancholy music ?

mostly-I use to listen to it lots. I mostly don't bother now

Mark dont knock it till you try it
i first went when i was 22 and kept going for the next 5/6 yrs it is expensive but worth it , when u see it on tv you dont get to see what is really happening the cameras only follow the principle dancers, when you see a Ballet live its the whole production that consumes you, the technical aspects, the live orchestra it is an amazing thing to watch.

the most amazing thing i ever saw was the ballet Peter pan i had great seats in the dress circle and was really close to the stage yet you had 5 of the cast flying on wires that you could not see and intertwining in a way that seemed impossible, people go on about the wire work in kung fu films i have NEVER seen anything as good as this in any film.

go on try it

stevie

I'll think about it lol

what you said about the connection mental processes-cells is beingaccepted more and more nowadays.there`s a (comparatively)new discipline researching this:
PsychoNeuroImmunology.and some would even like to add Endocrino- lol.
some results are simply amazing!e.g. conditioning of the immunosystem(!!!).
if you combine a conditioned stimulus("sound of a the frequency X")to a stressing stimulus("electric shock"),the negative effects on the immunosystem
will also occur,if you later expose the mouse :( ONLY to the sound of frequency X.that`s absolutely amazing !!!

so perhpas listening to sad music will be put alongside drinking and smoking one day lol !

inspiring topic from Canada !("3 am" that gave it away hehehe)

I'll tell you one thing (no idea how related but i believe some what) since I quit smoking I haven't even really had any cravings. I do think part of it is to do with input of all kinds into the body.

There are many studies that show where theres an adiction there is almost always a depression.

Its all circles and cycles I think in one way and balance in another.

The healthier the body the easier to mentally feel good. It all works trogether, mental effects physical and emotional. Emotional effects mental and physical. Physical effects mental and emotional.

Back to balance.

You can never be as strong physically if you are weak mentally and emotionally as someone who is strong in all three.

The body mind connections are physical and real.

Thoughts and feelings are essentially physical (chemical/biochemical). So it all effects all of it.

"Neural stimulation, which affects primarily hypothalamic-limbic-pituitary curcuits, impacts the autonomic nervous system, the hormone cascade and the immune system."

I believe that the waves flow through are body from stimulation of all our senses.

Just like nutrition-put good in and it helps put bad in and it hurts.

shyguy-- what's worse than the snobby people are the close minded people. the ones who say i'll never listen to classical, jazz, etc. how can you be so stuck up that you only listen to one kind of music, saying it's "the best"? nothing is "better" or "worse" than something else, it's just different. i bet if you told them that listening to classical made them smarter, or opened up new thoughts, etc, they'd give it a shot. here's an interesting study to conduct;
have one fighter listen to aggressive music before a fight. have another fighter listen to depressing, or negative music. have another fighter listen to classical. see who's more alert in the ring, see who fights harder, smarter, slower, etc. also, try to find out, from the fighters, what they were thinking about in the ring. thanks for the info on the 1812 and valkyries.

mark l. -- i agree with you on "the ripple" effect. i think if someone is thinking positive, or upbeat thoughts, they feel loose, energetic. if they're thinking negative, or downbeat thoughts, then they feel stiff, or depressed, they don't want to train or work. angry thoughts also make you feel stiff, but they cloud the mind sometimes, and make you work stupid, not calculating, just taking stupid chances every opening. on the music, i've noticed that listening to music while i train/ rest/ recover, helps me stay focused. i block out all the noises and conversations, i perform so much better no matter what i'm doing at that time. I guess you can say i "zone" in better with music, but without music i get all hyper and anxious. my mind starts racing, i pick up every little word or movement or sound, whether i'm supposed to or not. what's that they say? "music to calm the savage beast?" guess it works.

Sounds to me like you are using music to help you focus. Which i think is good. I know thats one of the reasons for fight music in MuayThai.

But I think theres a time and place.

Somethig I'm starting to look into is quieting the mind. Our mind is smacked and jolted by TV and radio all the time. I think we'ver lost controle of our minds. (though thats probably not the right wording).

I think meditation can help us get some focus etc We can get the focus ourselves.

I think music is great for focus but i would guess it shouldn't be nessasary.

I like think music is the best for relaxing/recouvery/enjoyment

Part of being an athlete is focus. Its one of the many things I need to work on alot more. But i see improvements and I'm happy about that...long ways to go though...well its never ending really isn't it?

Good Point,Predator!agree.

i know what you mean, mark. an athletes job is never done, unless he retires/ dies. there's always more to learn. different styles, newer styles coming out everyday. countless attacks, counters, and combinations to learn. learning how to block everything out, just do the job. also, i think a big part of the game, is learning when to push first, how hard to push back, when to swing first, etc. if you're always the first to attack, someones going to find a way around it, look at ali vs. foreman. he waited until foreman, the attacker, was worn out. then he took his turn. i think a big part of ali's victory was switching his game plan. the way he used to fight, he wouldn't allow himself to be a target, he'd land a punch or two, then move before the counter came, no target, no points. then against foreman, he became the target to use foremans energy against him. wear him out, physically, and to a point, mentally. i know i'm off the music topic, but as far as focusing goes, you have to learn to focus on any part of the game that's required against a particular fighter, to get the job done. i think classical can help expand the mind, make you look at things differently, find new solutions.

i hope i made some sense. almost 3 am here, had a hard day, sometimes i ramble on and on about nothing in particular.

Made sense to me... I like what you're getting at with focusing on a job at hand, not just the fight. Focusing on what you need to do as a fighter not on what theu're doing.

I think deffense will come from training (and offense). Zoning out on the guy and focusing on what hes doing and trying to deffend doesn't work well i think. If you can focus on your job while keeping a relaxed mind i think you can get to work and let your body do what its trained for.

Don't know if I explained that well...

I think zoning and tense focus on your opponent makes you blind. Its usually on how to kick your opponent not a holistic view on fighting.. You see fighters throw shot after shot without timing. I think relaxing your focus and focusing on just doing your thing allows you to see and react to more. Allows more timing in attack and deffense (something besides turtling beehind your hands and leg blocks). I think this is alot to do with the Thais saying 'good eyes'. Seeing whats happening and being able to react...getting out of the way of shots with out running from the situation and being able to respond. Being able to throw an attack with timing and land it because of an opening besides just throwing a combo and hoping something happens.

I think meditation is good for focus of course but i think you can sort of meditate, and certainly work on focus when running, weight training, doing anything that doesn't take alot of thought.

interesting..there are many different kinds of focus.. I think focusing on fighting has alot to do with letting go and not 'trying' to hit. the body and mind has been trained and think letting it do its thing and focusing on that and just doing it helps...

think so?

yea. i also think, part of it has to do with, not just the job at hand, but what you're doing to get the job done. how far are you willing to push yourself? willing to change fighting styles to better counter, better attack, etc.? think of a fight as a lot of little tasks to get done. if you get them done, and do them well, you win. unless of course, it's just really, really not your night. the fight is the war; each combination, counter, etc. are the battles that make up the war. if your mind is racing, then yes, you are going to have trouble performing. try calming yourself in the locker room. ignore the pressure. focus on slowing your breathing, or pulse. take it easy, don't become panicky. just work on the task at hand, don't worry about the mortgage, work tomorrow, etc. if you're able to put 100% of your mind into it, then the body will follow. just don't try to force the body to do the jobs. i think that's what i did wrong in my fight, my brain was screaming at my body.."right hook! uppercut!!" but all i could do was throw roundhouses. something else, which was really weird. i know somebody, might've been you, said that it would be so surreal, like me and him were the only ones there. well, almost. i could look out and see the crowd, the dj, whoever. but i couldn't hear shit. just silence. and i know there was music playing, maybe some reaction from the crowd. god, it was f--ked up. any thoughts?