Weight loss supplements... Wondered if any of you have/do use weight loss supplements such as feedn' lean, synotrim, or any other fat-burner type tablets. Dod they work? What results did you achieve? Any you recomend?

fat burning tablets work by mainly surpressing appetite and thus do help
ephedrine has been banned now in most places so the really effective stuff is no longer available

check out Tight by san or Hotrox by biotest

Fine if you want to feel perky, I have used them to stop me falling asleep at my desk, though I wouldn't recommend any stimulant before a cardio workout, and not for long term use.

Whatever you choose you need to research it well , some tend to have an effect your heart rate , blood pressure etc etc ... not good

Ive been using lean system 7 which i would thouroughly recomend! Lost lots of weight, all fat, no lean tissue. any other good ones out there?

You really don't need a pill to lose weight. I lost 30lbs (from 252lbs to 222lbs) in 5 months by just doing 20 minutes of cardio in the morning before breakfast, lift weights in the afternoon 4 times a week, and finish the day off with 1 hour of cardio at night. I ate pretty much what ever I wanted, as long as it was eaten before 6pm. Mix in some intervals or sprints on the weekends and you will lose weight.

For the cardio I used an elliptical cross trainer. It created zero impact on my joints and didn't overtrain my body.

3500kcal = 1lb of bodyfat. I burn about 300kal in the 20 minutes of cardio in the AM, and 1000kcal with the cardio in the PM. That burns 1300kcal a day, 9100kcal a week or 2.6lbs of bodyfat a week just from the cardio activities.


Forget the pills, they don't do shit.

How do you know they dont do shit? if you had taken a supplement as well, you may have lost more? And what about the clinical studies? Surely they prove they do work. I know you can lose weight without them, as i have done, but i believe they help.

Could you provide some independent clinical studies that prove they work? I would love to read them.

This is the research i read before buying my lean system 7 mate, what do you think??


Abstract # LB468
Presented at the prestigious FASEB scientific conference
(Experimental Biology) on April 11, 2003 in San Diego, California
A prospective, randomized, double blind study to evaluate
the effect of Lean System 7™ on body composition

John Leonard Zenk, Sandra A. Leikam, Laurie J. Kassen, Michael A. Kuskowski
Minnesota Applied Research Center

Objective: This study evaluated the effect of a formula containing 7-oxo-DHEA, citrus aurantium extract, coleus forskohlii extract, yerba mate, guarana extract, piper nigrumand dandelion leaf (Lean System 7™) on body composition, in overweight subjects. Methods: In this clinical trial, healthy, overweight adults were given three capsulesof Lean System 7 orally twice daily or an identical placebo and followed a calorie restricted diet and an exercise program for eight weeks. Bodyweight, BMI, BMR, waist and hip circumference, and body composition by DEXA were measured at baseline and week 8. Results: Of 47 adults enrolled, 35 completed the study with a mean BMI of 32.5 kg/m². Subjects taking Lean System 7had a more significant (p=0.006) decrease in hip circumference measurement losing 4.85 cm compared to a decrease of 2.34 cm in the placebo group. The intra-group analysis of the Lean System 7 group also revealed statistically significant (p=0.001) reductions in body weight, BMI, waist and hip circumference. There were no other statistically significant differences noted. Lean System 7 was well tolerated and there were no serious adverse events.

Conclusion: The results of this study reveal that when combined with a reduced calorie diet and a moderate exercise program, Lean System 7was more effective at reducing hip circumference than exercise and diet alone.

Copyright © 2003 Experimental Biology 2003 - Translating the Genome. All rights reserved.

this is an interview from Real soloutions magazine with Dr Zenk, it details the all the scientific stuff!


This site is dedicated to providing information about the new supplement called "7-Keto" and the safety of fast weight loss products known as "natural fat burners" and specifically to those seeking clinical information about the ephedrine-free product called Lean System 7 created by Isatori Global Technologies and distributed by Nutros.com.

With the introduction of Lean System 7, a new frontier has been established in nutritional sciences: triple-action advanced natural fat burners and thermogenic activation system™. Initial documentation on this site include the clinical findings of Dr. John Zenk (pictured at right) in a recent interview with Real SOLUTIONS Magazine, followed by a Lean System 7 Research Report by Stephen Adele, product development techinician at Nutros.com.



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"Lessons in Getting and Staying Lean"

Questions and Answers About a Novel Approach to Breaking Through Sticking Points and Losing Those Last Stubborn Pounds to Achieve and Maintain Your Ideal Bodyfat Levels

— Interview from Real SOLUTIONS Magazine with John L. Zenk, M.D.

A recent study indicated that when you lose a mere 10% of your bodyweight, your metabolism drops by a staggering 15%. That's why trying to lose those last 8 to 10 stubborn pounds of bodyfat can seem literally impossible - like you've "hit a wall." What's happening? Your metabolic system is always seeking balance. So whenever you try to lose weight, your body instantly fights back. It's a complex biological process whereby your body is forcing you back to your original weight-a phenomenon, which doctors have termed your body's "set point." However, a new scientific discovery has found it is possible to shift or "re-set" the position of the set point to help stimulate a more youthful, active metabolism... and it has researchers and dieters excited about the potential to permanently and naturally achieve and maintain an ideal bodyweight.

In our first issue of Real SOLUTIONS, Dr. John Zenk revealed to us a new, breakthrough, patented supplement for increasing the body's metabolic rate-safely and naturally… to aid in weight loss and bodyfat reduction-called 7-Keto™. To say the least, the response (and questions) we received shortly after was almost overwhelming. People from all walks wanted to know more about it, asking, "How does it work? What does the research say? How do I use it? And is it safe?"

So, in an effort to bring you the most accurate, up-to-date, straightforward answers to your questions, we called on the 7-Keto expert himself, Dr. John Zenk, to answer your most frequently asked questions on breaking through the body's set point, new research on bodyfat reduction, weight loss, using 7-Keto, and more.

Real SOLUTIONS: In your opinion, why are so many Americans seemingly losing the war against fat?

Dr. John Zenk: Americans love to "super-size" their meals. We also are extremely busy-eating on the run, so fast food meals have become a way of life for many families. And oftentimes, once we are home, we sit on the couch, clutch the remote, and watch TV while almost unconscientiously snacking on high-calorie, highly processed foods. Compound this with a lifestyle of inactivity, which only adds to more weight woes. To be quite blunt, it adds up to the "fattening of America." The obesity epidemic that's plagued America seems to be a grim consequence of Western affluence, over-consumption, and inactivity.

RS: Isn't losing weight as simple as balancing the calories you take in with the energy you expend to burn them off?

Dr. Zenk: Interestingly, this old theory of calories in versus calories burned is being replaced with a new, more complex view that every person's weight has a "set point" that is resistant over short periods to either gain or lose but may shift with age. This process is more technically referred to as "metabolic adaptation." The position of this set point is under the control of our bodies' natural feedback mechanisms, which ultimately control our metabolisms and our appetites.

Set-point theory states an individual's metabolism will adjust itself to maintain a weight it's comfortable with. If calories are restricted, the metabolic rate falls in an attempt to preserve fat stores. This is nature's way of preventing starvation. Once weight is lost and calories are no longer restricted, the metabolic rate rises once more. Many studies have sought to evaluate if the set point can be altered, and some have gone as far as clinically monitoring the caloric intake and exercise of candidates-and found that most individuals can't lose weight permanently.

RS: So, let's get this straight... Is the set-point mechanism the reason people find it so hard to lose weight and keep it off, especially those last 10 lbs or so?

Dr. Zenk: It's the primary reason it's so difficult for people to lose weight and keep it off. Basically, even though we can override the set point and achieve significant weight loss, unless the original position of the set point changes, our bodies will automatically seek the preexisting weight level when the diet or caloric restriction stops. Since it appears this set point increases to higher weight levels as we age and also considering metabolic rate decreases as we age, it follows that enhancing our metabolism to more youthful levels would lower that set point. This favorable shift in the set point would then naturally allow the body to stay within a favorable weight or bodyfat range after achieving this goal.

RS: Is there any way to adjust or "shift" the set point?

Dr. Zenk: First let me say scientists who study metabolism and current therapies in fat loss recognize losing excess weight is difficult. Indeed, as many as 95% of people who diet gain back unwanted weight, getting caught in endless cycles of yo-yo dieting. However, the good news is, though research in the area of weight set-point adjustments is early, there are some promising possibilities on the horizon. The most encouraging effects I've witnessed to date are with use of a new, patented dietary supplement called 7-Keto (or its full name: 3-acetyl-7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone).

In recent studies, 7-Keto increased the activity of enzymes associated with metabolism (the body's primary fat-burning mechanism). About 60% to 75% of our total energy needs are met through our basal or resting metabolic rate (the rate the body burns calories as opposed to storing them as bodyfat). Even a minor shift in the metabolic rate may have a dramatic impact on calories burned.

Surprisingly, the interest in the possible role of DHEA and its derivatives (e.g., 7-Keto) in bodyweight regulation dates back more than 30 years. In some experiments, DHEA caused laboratory animals to eat more yet suppressed their weight gain. In one study without DHEA, a 50% reduction in food intake was necessary to achieve the same degree of bodyweight changes seen in the rats given DHEA but given the same amount of food.

RS: What is 7-Keto; and why is it so different from DHEA?

Dr. Zenk: 7-Keto is a clinically proven, safe, naturally occurring metabolite of the pro-hormone DHEA. But make no mistake, 7-Keto is not DHEA. Based on the 10 years of diligent research and development by Dr. Henry Lardy of the University of Wisconsin Institute of Enzyme Research, we know 7-Keto offers many of DHEA's benefits (e.g., weight loss, bodyfat reduction, memory enhancement, improved immune functioning, etc.) but without conversion into the sex hormones estrogen and testosterone.

As for weight loss and bodyfat reduction, Dr. Lardy's research shows 7-Keto is even more potent than its parent compound DHEA for stimulating enzymes in the liver responsible for thermogenesis (burning calories), which increases the body's metabolic efficiency. As a result, Dr. Lardy was awarded a prestigious U.S. patent on 7-Keto as a method of promoting weight control without affecting appetite or inducing the synthesis of sex hormones.

RS: Why not use stimulants or other similar weight-loss aids that are so popular today?

Dr. Zenk: Widely used and available in many of today's more popular over-the-counter weight-loss formulas is a chemical called ephedrine (or its herbal counterparts ephedra and/or ma huang). Its primary mechanism in the body is to increase the release of noradrenaline, a hormone responsible for a laundry list of medical nightmares, such as severely affecting the heart rate, blood pressure, and sympathetic nervous system, to name only a few. In fact, since its introduction in the late 1980's, the FDA has received over 1,400 Adverse Event reports, each complaining of harsh side effects, including several startling reports of strokes.

From this data and complaints from users, it's clear to me that stimulant-based, amphetamine-like substances, such as ephedrine, are not the safest way to achieve weight loss.

As well, one should note that the stimulant-based diet pills' first line of defense in weight loss is to stimulate hormones in the brain that suppress appetite. Individuals can lose weight with this method, but they need to keep in mind that suppression of appetite, while it may be effective over the short term, can have unhealthy, detrimental side effects and cannot be taken long term. In addition, their effects are often short-lived and have little if any effect on the body's weight set point.

What's also quite unique about 7-Keto, unlike these short-lived compounds, is that it follows a one-compartment pharmacokinetic model with first order absorption and no lag phase.. Which basically means that upon repeated dosing, the compound does not accumulate but rather is maintained at a "steady-state" plasma level. What that means is that you will always have a steady state (therapeutic) blood level of 7-Keto, staying active, when you take it twice daily with no up and downs out of the therapeutic range. Not many supplements have pharmacokinetic analysis similar to what pharmaceutical drugs have.

RS: What scientific research supports 7-Keto as an effective weight-loss aid?

Dr. Zenk: A recent clinical trial, published in Current Therapeutic Research, evaluated 7-Keto's effect on weight loss in healthy human subjects, conducted by an independent clinical research group. Two groups of 15 subjects, average age of 44.5 years, were given either 7-Keto or a placebo. Participants exercised 3 times a week and followed an 1,800-calorie diet. Each subject in the treatment group received 100 mg of 7-Keto twice daily. Study results at four and eight weeks indicated a statistically significant decrease in bodyweight and bodyfat in the 7-Keto group and no similar effect in the placebo group. By the eighth week, the group receiving 7-Keto lost an average of 200% more bodyfat than those participants who did not take the supplement yet followed the same diet and exercise regimen. Not only was this significantly greater than the placebo group, but these results were equal to or greater than those obtained from many other so-called natural and medical weight-loss remedies. Equally important, 7-Keto was well tolerated, with no reported side effects.

In yet another impressive clinical study recently published in the Journal of Exercise Physiology Online, subjects who were given 7-Keto lost three times more bodyweight and bodyfat than subjects in the placebo group. Weight loss and bodyfat reductions of the participants who used 7-Keto were likely a result of the significant increase in "T3" thyroid hormone activity, as there was no affect on T3 thyroid hormone in the placebo group. Additionally, T3 was not increased outside of acceptable normal ranges. The significant and clinically safe elevation in T3 in this study indicates a probable mechanism of action for 7-Keto-induced weight loss. (show graph of 7-keto, three times more effective than placebo)

RS: Why does T3 thyroid hormone aid in weight loss?

Dr. Zenk: Since T3 is a potent stimulator of metabolism, this degree of elevated T3 production probably "upregulated" the metabolic rate of these subjects. This, in essence, then acts as a modulator of the weight set point, decreasing it to levels associated normally with T3 levels of a younger individual. The mechanism for 7-Keto to increase T3 is not clearly understood, but I would suspect it is linked to its ability to antagonize glucocorticoid action on the hypothalamus, which has the end result of increasing the levels of T3. Again, it should be noted, this significant yet safe increase in T3 activity is one of the reasons people using 7-Keto lost weight. Their metabolism and set point had been reset to a higher level, and they were therefore able to resist any metabolic adaptations.

RS: Can people take 7-Keto on its own and expect to lose weight?

Dr. Zenk: There are no magic bullets in weight loss. 7-Keto cannot produce weight loss without a healthful diet and regular exercise. However, 7-Keto "jump starts" weight loss, making the hard work of dieting and exercise a little easier by making the metabolism of fat more efficient. Think of comparing weight loss with 7-Keto to that of compound interest on a savings account. Very little happens for a short while; in the case of 7-Keto, it can take from two to four weeks; then all of a sudden, exponential improvements are made.

RS: What is the recommended dosage for 7-Keto, and is it safe for long-term use?

Dr. Zenk: Participants in the most common weight-loss studies took 100 mg of 7-Keto twice daily. However, some users have confirmed similar results at doses of 50 mg, taken twice daily.

What's more, since 7-Keto's impact on T3 thyroid hormone facilitates a shift in one's weight set point, it helps keep pounds off now and in the future. After individuals lose weight and/or reach a desired bodyfat level after approximately 8 to 12 weeks of use, they can reduce the amount of 7-Keto used though they must still exercise and follow a sensible diet. If bodyweight begins to increase, 7-Keto can be used again as needed to support metabolic rate.

Both experimental and clinical trials indicate 7-Keto is safe for long-term use. Toxicology studies using 7-Keto found no adverse effects even in doses that would equal 140,000 mg in an average-sized adult. Blood chemistry and liver function remained normal.

RS: Where can people find 7-Keto?

Dr. Zenk: Until now, 7-Keto has not been made widely available, although it has been manufactured under a few select brand names. Because of its expensive price to produce, coupled with the complexities of manufacturing 7-Keto, its supply has been rather limited. It is, however, beginning to be distributed on a limited basis from a company called iSatori Global Technologies. Their researchers have formulated a unique, promising new product called Lean System 7, which features 7-Keto with other equally impressive ingredients to work synergistically and enhance the body's metabolism and thus burn more fat, continually. According to iSatori Global Technologies, since its introduction in March of 2002, Lean System 7 has received numerous anecdotal reports from users of improved body composition and weight loss. If you'd like more information about Lean System 7 or 7-Keto, I suggest you read the product's Lean System 7 frequently asked questions here.

RS: I want to thank you, and I'm certain our readers want to thank you, for spending valuable time with us today, and we really look forward to hearing from you again in the near future with more exciting discoveries, as well as new research on 7-Keto.

Dr. Zenk: I appreciate your taking the time to listen. And, it would be my pleasure to speak to you again soon.

John L. Zenk, M.D., is a board-certified doctor of internal medicine with over 20 years of clinical experience. His expertise is integrating conventional and alternative medicine with a special interest in anti-aging and obesity research. Dr. Zenk is the author of Living Longer in the Boomer Age and contributing author of The Doctors' Prescription of Healthy Living (Advanced Research Press).

Good read, if it is working for you then it's great. Be careful though, this guy no longer has a medical license.

Dr. John Leonard Zenk

Association of State Medical Board Executive Directors

Minnesota Board of Medical Practice Search Results

Licensee Name - John Leonard Zenk
License Number - 28845
License Type - PHYSICIAN AND SURGEON
Degree - M.D.
Original License - 08/11/1984
License Expiration Date - 02/29/2000
Birth Year - 1953
Address - 606 24th Ave. S. #300
City State Zip - Minneapolis MN 55455
Country - USA
Disciplinary Action - YES

This data was retrieved on: 01/10/2002
Direct questions and comments about these results to

Robert Leach, Executive Director
Minnesota Board of Medical Practice
Telephone: (612)617-2130



You can see that he no longer has a valid license to practice medicine in Minnesota and there was disciplinary action taken against him.



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HERE IS THE GOOD PART.......

This product contains steroid hormones that may cause breast enlargement, testical shrinkage, and infertility in males, and increased facail and body hair, voice deepening, and clitorial enlargement in females.... Higher doses may increase these risks. If you are at risk for prosate or breast cancer you should not use this product.

So many ars Tosh ! Diets work Short Time, best foods are those that are Quite Simply good For you ! and If you Look after yourself ? Train etc: ? Then
Dont be a Drongo and Follow the Sheep, Get your Concepts from People Whom have made Diets, Certain Food Vitamins etc: from Good Food and Fluids ( water Being top of the Fluid List )Put Sugar in it and Wonder Why ??
your Not losing Weight?

Common-sense is always the winner !
Fried and Fast Food is Def: the "F" Word !
For oh F*** im Fat
F = Fat
F = Failed
F = `Full` of the bad Stuff Fat

ive Got the Ultimate and Its the best Weight Loss Ever ! and I have a Piccy to prove it !
If im in a Good Mood ( not now im Annoyed from a Personal thing, sorry )
and you want to see it ?
i will post it !

And that is not an independent study.

I think it is important to realise that supplements can help, but you have to wokr with them. There is no 'magic' pill that makes the weight just fall off!
Its often made me laugh when you have big fat lazy muvers, sitting in front of the tv with their macdonalds, and think that if they pop a few pills, they'll lose weight!

Steady slow weight loss is the best, otherwise you are just burning off muscle which is a big no no as it weakens you (roy jones vs traver 1). As Matt says early morning exercise is best as it gives your body a huge kickstart and burns flab all day. I find swimming the best as I'm not a mornings person and theres less chance of injury due to body been stiff on morning plus if you put effort into it it works entire muscle groups of your body and doesen't make you sore and doesent effect your running schedule.

If your still keen on supplements to loose weight I recommend green tea tons of the guys on here drink it, it def makes you feel good, hydrates your body and gets ya ripped.

Water is vitally imporant as well (ask the sandy man) it flushes your body, cleans all the shit and chemicals out of your body and tastes great. I prefer mineral water highland spring is the dogs bollocks. Althrough our pure northumbrian council pop(tap water) is much superior to that southern pond water everybody else drinks in britain. Our scottish chums water is lovely as well.

Caffine is quite effective no need to buy pro plus and gibber like a hamster or a student on drugs simply drink a extra strong black tea before a workout your performence will be boosted and it breaks fat down. Steer clear of coffee as it dyhrdyates you and tea doesen't.

Steer clear of the mircule pills and potions they don't work healthly living is just a quick fix its a life style. I just wish I could practice what I preach lol.

Just as a interesting story about supplements in sports I tell you this one my dad used to race pigeons when I was a kid and he used to win everything combine races, water races etc etc bearing in mind in the 60's,70's,80's pigeon racing was huge around Newcastle, Durham and indeed most of the north. He never used to give his pigeons anything apart from high protein corn, good clean water, multi vits and oscionally a little canary seed as a treat. He used only to use med like antibionics when the pigeons where ill and used to dibelately have a calm and relaxed atmosphere in the cree. If he come home from work and was pissed off he'd always wait until he was calm before he went up the cree and he always had a radio on when he was up there cause believe it on not pigeons love music (prob why they hang about shopping centres lol).

Anyway this guy who had a cree down the road used to spend a forture on his pigeons regular trips to belgium, etc he used to buy tons and tons of the new fangled supplements it was even rumoured he was doping with steroids, he used to always be dosing them with antibionics etc and guess what he used to win nothing I'm not joking he'd be lucky if he won a race a year he used to do his nut if he got 2nd place.

Anyway the morale of the story is as long as you eat right, train right and most of all enjoy your sport you will shift weight and get fit faster than using all the magic pills and potions that all these witch doctors of supplement companys flog you.

Be careful about only taking one persons advice about things as well. Thats the beauty of ax so many experts and friendly people who know their stuff. Look at that knob at my gym who was trying to flog me thai pink hex tabs if I hadn't asked people on here I wouldn't have know they were the steroid dbol and I would have been knocking them back.

Did anyone notice that doctors name was Dr.Lardy?

well I found it funny. :-/

thanx for the info Mat, like you say its worked for me and others i know, i eat a low fat diet and train and run to, only got another KG to lose and I'll be quite happy!

Zebs
Spot on ( oh and you Forgot the Diet Coke that goes with it lol ) and
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hahaah Well Spotted
hahah

Diet pills will aid fat loss ONLY if you are training properly and your diet is clean. unfortunately there is no escaping the fact that you cannot substitute hard training and correct diet for mirracle fat loss pills despite what they say on the side of the bottle and however many studies they refer to. You simply have to bite the bullet and hit the road and dicipline yourself to eat healthy foods.

on the other hand many people do find them helpful after a hard day as they can take the edge off the tiredness before training. for this though you should take a lot less than they reccommend e.g 1 capsule instead of 3. taking more can put a strain on your heart and impede performance as blood is travelling through your lungs to quickly and is not becoming saturated with oxygen.

hahaha Will these Help?
:-p

i cannie put weight on am
just a wee skinny man
av tryed toput it on
but you cant fatten a thurabread

av bean abuot 53 kg since i was 16 so
idont no know how to lose weight

lol Have a Sandy Pill !
:-p