Best female kickboxer ever

With a record like this is Cloe Bruce the best female kickboxer ever

W.K.A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
1996 Traditional World Champion Prague
1996 Freestyle World Champion, Prague
1997 Traditional World Champion Ireland
1997 Freestyle World Champion Ireland
1998 Traditional World Champion Canada
1998 Freestyle World Champion Canada
1998 Weapons World Champion Canada
1999 Traditional World Champion Germany
1999 Freestyle World Champion Germany
1999 Weapons World Champion Germany

SWISS OPEN
1998 Traditional Champion Switzerland
1998 Freestyle Champion Switzerland
1998 Weapons Champion Switzerland
1999 Traditional Champion Switzerland
1999 Freestyle Champion Switzerland
2000 Freestyle Champion Switzerland
2000 Weapons Champion Switzerland

IRISH OPEN
2001 Overall Kata champion Ireland
2002 Overall Kata Champion Ireland

FRENCH OPEN
2001 Freestyle Champion France
2001 Weapons Champion France

HAYASHI WORLD CUP
2000 Traditional Champion England
2000 Freestyle Champion England

W.K.A BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS
1995 Freestyle British Champion
1996 Traditional British Champion
1997 Freestyle British Champion
1998 Traditional British Champion
1998 Freestyle British Champion
1998 Weapons British Champion
1999 Traditional British Champion
1999 Freestyle British Champion
1999 Weapons British Champion

W.A.K.O BRITISH CHAMPIONSHIPS
1997 Traditional British Champion
1997 Freestyle British Champion
1998 Traditional British Champion
1998 Freestyle British Champion
1998 Weapons British Champion

F.S.K GRAND CHAMPIONSHIPS
1994 Freestyle Grand Champion
1995 Traditional Grand Champion
1995 Freestyle Grand Champion
1996 Freestyle Grand Champion
1997 Traditional Grand Champion
1997 Freestyle Grand Champion
1998 Freestyle Grand Champion

Chloe Bruce is NOT a kickboxer. She's a highly skilled (very highly skilled actually) forms exponent coming I think from a Tang Soo do background. I don't think she's ever claimed any kickboxing title but a lot of her titles are from groups such as the WKA who do sanction forms (and everything else it seems).

I hope this does not come across as disrespectful to Chloe, its not meant to be and I'm a real big fan of her and the other top forms people such as Ashley Beck, David Elmes, etc. Their skill is out of this world, their just not kickboxers.

without any doubt : " rijkers !.."

Chloe Bruce is amazing.
She looks like a rag doll the way she can get every limb to any angle!

I've seen 2 of her freestyle displays, and they are truly amazing.
They remind me of myself when i'm stretching!!! ;-)

Lucia Rijker!

It depends how you measure success. Most people on this forum would look at fight career. If you look at awards for style and technique and form then thats something different.

technique and form thats true
her technique is very good
but shes not a kickboxer!
tangsoodo yes
kickboxing NO
people get confused these days

Rijker by far.

Easy : Lucia Rijker , she is simply way ahead!!
The only woman who could become something similar is Germaine De Randemie but still a long long way to go before reaching the legendary status Lady Tyson has!!

This is so obviously impossible to prove, but of course, evryone has a strong opnion.

It really depends on weight class too. You really can't reasonably compare say, Rijker to people who weigh 5-10 kg less. Or t those wh came along and retired before she began. All of those former greats who have fought over 20 fights and esp if they retired unbeaten can make a plausbile claim, if they fought the best around at the time-imho.

I wont mention fighters currently active in the sport of Muay Thai or kickboxing. But, some credible candidates from the past that immediateley come to mind, are Ann "Killer" Quinlan (UK)in the 48kg and under,Ella Yee (UK) 50 kg, Naoko Kumagai(JP)at 50-52 kg, Kathy Long (USA)at 56 kg, Ramona Gatto at 55kg (USA),Melita Carnavas (AU) 55kg, Nancy Joseph(Fr)at 55 kg, Graciella Casillas (USA) at 57kg, Michelle Aboro (UK) 57 kg, and Lucia Rijker (NL) at 61-63 kg. Cheryl Wheeler (USA), at 57 kg

(note: Wheeler almost took a decision from Rijker in Holland while giving away some weight)Corrine Geeris (NL) at 60 kg has an amazing record- at least on paper-but almost all her opponents were from England, Holland or Germany. Kim Messer (USA) at 49-52 kg was awesome, but may not have enough quite enough total kickboxing fights (18) to really stake an "all time great" claim. (she retired from KB and went into boxing before firmly establishing her KB legacy-imho)


Germaine vs Lucia Rijker: I Would like to see those two fight-I would probably bet on Germaine if they were to fight today, since Lucia has not kickboxed in many years. Germaine is already 23-0 and has probably fought more world class opponents, simply because the women available today are tougher overall. (with some notable exceptions previously mentioned ) But she has nt finished, so we'll see..

CAUTION: These PR "greatest highlights" type promotional videos that some fighters reproduce of their greatest moments in the ring, including their most dramatic KOs (of course) are highly effective at swaying people-but are also particularly deceptive. imho. But, no question that they are extremely effective at swaying viewers. "A picture is worth a thousand words"...
On that note, Holly Fernely has a very impressive greatest KOs video, and her KO percentage is up there with Rijker and Kumagai, and Quinlan. But Holly has far fewer fights, and she is still active so the just is still out on her.
Many of the women Lucia Rijker fought in her PR video, "worlds most dangerous woman", were simply not highly skilled opponents, and many were too small for her-With the obvious exception of Valerie Henin, who was certainly world class and defintily Rijker's size.


dan

anne quinlan without any doubt whatsoever.just an all out fighting machine

what about Sabrina Cohen, surely she lists at the top somewhere

knockout king writes:

what about Sabrina Cohen, surely she lists at the top somewhere

===Knockout King, how about giving us some details and fight history
for Sabrina Cohen. I am embarrassed to confess I hadnt heard of her,
until now. I am wondering if Cohen perchance is a married name?
can you tell me what rules did she fight under primarily? was is FC?
and what was her weight? what country is she from?
and during what years did she fight? ==




thanks


dan

another observation. The more vidoes and fights I
see of the worlds greatest women fighters,
in all weight classes, the hgarded it beces for me to
see one person as standing head and shoulder above
the rest.


Conversely, I think the fewer female fighters we
have seen fight, the more likely we are to think
this is an easy question to answer.

dan