spinning back fist:

Lets start a campaigne to bring back the spinning backfist.

Although never banned, it's still in the rules for most orgs, it seems that this great technique is being lost to full contact. When i used to fight, it was allowed and i loved the skill, shame to lose it.

What do you think?

Its allowed in MuayThai, Muay Thai and Thai Boxing... bring it back Mark!

I once did it in the playground at school after some lad smashed me one in the nose, teachers werent impressed but my mates thought i was legendary lol!

Bring it back!

WKN allow it still i believe, yeah, bring it on!!!

Denis Varsaxa sparked the Thai in the 8-man of POS2 with spinning backfist

Saw a perfect spinning back fist ko last week in the IKF championships in florida,also saw a spinning heel kick ko(jorake fad hang)both great techniques,bring em back.

I agree , one of the most visually entertainig techniques available ! Never understood why it was dropped when spinning heel and even somersault kicks are still legal . I understand that misjudging the distance can result in the elbow making contact instead of the fist in FC or Low kick (irrelevant in full rules thai), but if it does then penalise the fighter just as you would for a low blow . If a cut is sustained bad enough for a stoppage then you lose, would just be part of the risk of throwing the technique , so hopefully people will make sure they get it right .

I hate them with a passion. takes no talent to throw one, yet can knock anyone out!

Not really a Muay thai technique as more of spinning elbow is used. I agree it should be banned in all N, C & B class Muay Thai, only allowed in A because of elbows, but most fighters would try to get the elbow in rather than the fist.

Zeb calls it right. Easier to throw than a kick, too easy to mis-judge distance and cause damage. It's a horrible technique. Gibbs you are a sadist:)

Dan uk

I seem to remember the ref, i think it was Paul Hunter, disqualify Gary Hamilton in front of his home crowd in Belfast for getting a spinning backfist wrong an a wkn show. Judging the distance was a skill in itself but when you spar with it all the time, makes a big difference.

Don't like them, no real skill involoved, to many throw it when they just loose position

Although Nico's was a pearl to finish of Richard jones the first time they fought

thank you Carl, a rare compliment

is there any more skill required to throw a jab or hook? To throw is easy, to throw one with correct timing and distance is isn't.

Guess that makes me a sadist too Carl ! Like i didn't already know it !

Mark .. you get it back ill love forever lol

It's a technique that is too easy to get wrong in my view! I have seen a few people throw these only to end up off balance and with half back showing to their opponent. Not really a place you want to be in the ring :(

It used to be great to watch it as a counter to a round kick, or thrown after a round kick. spectaculr kos with them.

To much has been banned. i miss the inside and outside footsweeps that some orgs have now banned to.

Its still in the rules for some fights.

did i get this straight guys, you dont like it because its to easy to ko people with?

I think it takes as much or more skill to land any spinning technique,muay thai has all the spinning techniques in its arsenel,
in fact come to think of it a coach in thailand told me years ago that thai fighters dont throw them so much because of the required skill level,but those that do are considered experts in the art.
I agree that most people just spin and hope for the best with the backfist and sometimes get lucky,great i say,luck is also part of the fight game.

I think provided its set up and executed right then its a fair and good technique. When its used as a panic reaction because the fighter has turned his/her back then its poor and the judges should view it accordingly.

i agree i still teach it and i believe it should still be used, whats next lets ban all hooks to the head. all for it mate.

I love it, and its amazes me that some folks are against it. If you're not a fan of the Spinning back fist how do you feel about the spinning back elbow?

Liam Harrison (Leeds, UK) used it (back elbow) on some French figher he fought in the 4th or 5th round I think. For those who are scratching your heads its the fight they keep repeating over and over and over again on ESPN's lame Stike Force. They need to get more fights in their library and prefarbly more recent ones.

Back on Topic....

Spinning back fist are the bomb, sure it can be a shit move for the reasons mentioned but all is fair so why take it out? Should a superior punhcer cease to punch because the opponent can't keep up with him? You tell me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVG7UziEy98

Spinning back fist of the year, this one
Jason "Razor Blade" Retti Vs Reuben De Jong at the KO

Reuben beat the count, but a picture perfect moment ROGUEMAG.COM Photography

Some Thais Still Throw em , and if executed well are very effective as with all techniques if taught well they're thrown well.
they used to be part of the old school sylabus and are still taught in thailand ...keep em and use i say .
lol

Russ

I agree they should be allowed and fighter disqualified if they misjudge it though. They are a great follow up or counter if done properly but hate to see clumbsy fighters who when off balance or turn their head away decide to just spin and hit whatever is there with the backfist with no thought- I'd be pee'd off if I got Ko'd with one like that.lol

Abit off the subject - Are 'drop spinning heel sweeps' allowed? Or 'drop round sweeps'? Still sweeping the inside or outside of foot boot but it means going down to the floor. Would it only be disallowed if your hand touches the floor?

Great photo - sloppy technique. Arm angled wrong, wrong contact point, no guard! Feet look ok lol.

That was agreat shot eh Boa.That photo not only captures the moment, it shows that the shot was actually a foul (allthough obviously accidental) and the main reason most sanctioning bodies (ones that dont fight with elbows )outlaw the spinning back fist, because the backfist was so easily (though accidentally)converted into an elbow strike when the opponent moved forward unexpectedly and simultaneously with the launching of that spin technique.

I had 2 Muay Thai rules fights where i did the opposite. I was throwing a spinning back elbow and noticed the other fighter stepping back and therefore out of range of the elbow,so my elbow missed but my converted backfist didnt.

As for fighters choosing to use the backfist as a last ditch panic response,who cares why it was thrown? I actually learned this technique because after my first two fights i watched the videos of both of them and noticed that i tended to turn out of the way of punches and i knew it wasnt because i was scared as such, but because i hadnt been taught how to defend yet, so turning was my only way to avoid facial rconstruction and therefore a natural instinct. I turned this instinct into a spinning backfist and the very first time i used it i knocked the guy down 10seconds into the first round. He came forward so fast and i turned my weakness into my biggest assett until they banned it.

whitti not allowed mate if the gloves touch the canvers it classed as a knock down, you could be useing it to cover that, like no i wasnt hit i went down for the sweep, ye right. see what i mean?

Under K1 style rules, its very tricky becuase no elbows are permitted. In Muay Thai, done properly its a match winner- especially against a classical Muay Thai guard.

Hey Norm, do you remember Dion Crouches Knock Down on Dougie in the eventual K1 he won in 2001? That was probably picture perfect. Sorry didn't have the camera then, i was eating hotdogs and drinking coke in the crowd.

Spot on Sid, with your analysis. Jason Retti is very unorthodox, none the less very effective as shown against the 6"10 Giant.

BOA @ ROGUEMAG.COM
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yes Boa i recall it, and the awesome fight both these guys had that night.I also remember the Suttie vs Mr T fight that contained that controversial ending to the fight.There was some discussion as to the legality of the backfist that caused the Knockdown. The spinning back fist is one of the most potent weapons in a fighters arsenal,and is lightning fast when delivered properly.

Retis backfist was a foul,according to the rules, but like i heard a trainer advising a fighter one night "it aint illegal till the Ref says so". Sometimes it happens so quick the details go unnoticed by the Ref and understandably so.

The reason you dont see too many Thai boxers employing the use of the backfist very much is on account of the defensive teep that crashes into you when your in the process of spinning.Forgot to mention that in my last post.

Hey Norm

Thats true, T Man Vs Suttie on the same show. My first impression was that the Sp. Bk Fist connected right on the chin, but some suggested it was to the back of the head. It was a big impact whichever way and i even spilled the coke i was drinking and dropped the chips i was eating.

Retti's shot, well to be honest i thought it was perfectly legal from first glance sitting right by the ring apron. and yes it is the ref's call. At that blinding speed hard to get it dead right- looked more like the side of the glove and forearm, brushing onto the elbow.

Andy Hug KO'd some guy in the K-1 a while back, can't recall who. Everyone sort of new it was coming but couldn't do a thing- crisp and clean contact which wasted his opponent. In Muay Thai the most vibrant shot i recall would be Ramon Dekkers against i think Sangtien, appologies if i am wrong. It was a true "Turbine from hell".

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I used it against Andre McIntyre in our last fight just once and it is not that easy to turn your back to your opponent on the way of executing the spinning back fist!

bring it back

: )

Backfist is a double edge sword in my opinion, when it comes out, you look ace, when it doesn't you look like a cock. Use with care!

Too true Atreiu!! Also can be very hurtful to ones own self if the arm that is used to deliver the backfist is stopped dead in its tracks in mid-flight by a rising block at about mid-way between the shoulder and elbow joint. (I think i saw Jackie Chan do it several times) I have a video of a guy that something like that happened to- but me trying to expain it sounds like it really was from a Jackie Chan movie eh :) Ok. I will go play by myself again.

this ones a cracker to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmKbnQ9YLPU&mode=related&search=

Check out the second round on this one all you SBF haters will really hate this one lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjAbLJfzp3k