kraus beats buakao,

Just heard from a reliable source that kraus has beat buakao on points, didn't say much has anyone any info.

I JUST HEARD THAT ALSO. WELL DONE ALBERT . HE WON BY KO ?

K-1 max enforced the "no clinching" rule in this fight.

Kraus all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before,I said,Albert win,A lot here on Ax,said before that Albert lost,but what a great victory for Albert !!!Fantastic !!!!!!!

Apparently, Buakao was ahead after three rounds but not by a big enough margin so it went to an extra round which was close again. I haven't seen the fight but heard if it had been under MuayThai scoring even without the clinch, Buakao would have won easily. However, since it wasn't he lost.

extended round split decision over Buakaw Por.Puramuk - Judges scored the bout
a majority draw (0-1) after three rounds - the extended round was judged 10-9.5, 9-10, 10-9.5

incidentally the judge who had buakow winning after 3 also had him winning the extension, guess he was cheaper

mustve been real close looking at buakows face

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

i think kicks dont score in k1 maybe?

buakow slipped in the second and it was given an 8 count he mustve won the others big if he got a count in the 2nd! Also the new clinch rule is 1 knee only! What a joke

great pics !!!

do you mind if i repost them somewhere else??

greets from austria


Albert is a great fighter..

Could anyone let me know where and when this fight could be viewed from the UK? Awesome pics though!

Hey come on guys the fight rules were set before they entered the ring no good saying well if he could knee more or if he could elbow more i think ak was written off before this fight and should be given credit for this win.

get your ass down the gym tonight weston and we'll set some rules b4 we spar!

lol

I will have this fight in about 48-72 hours lorne, ps how u doing mate?

I think the kicks only score if they land cleanly.

great pics BB,cant believe kraus won.No disrespect to kraus but i thought he would really struggle with puramuks style,maybe he did.Sounds contoversial.
Would make a great final when they come round.

LOL! those guys are sporting the same hair style....

look at buakaws face when he heard the decision. same as last year with masato

Buakow boy,you have a lot of excuses for your favorite,but you see,that after all their is only 1 winner and that's Albert Kraus and that's what count !!

Buakow boy,you have a lot of excuses for your favorite,but you see,that after all their is only 1 winner and that's Albert Kraus and that's what count !!

Buakow boy,you have a lot of excuses for your favorite,but you see,that after all their is only 1 winner and that's Albert Kraus and that's what count !!

I'm fine thanks Bakauw Boy, just getting a few fights lined up for this year - and you? Nothing more inspiring than watching fights like these eh? let me know when you get your copy please mate, thanks

what about the other fights? some results, please.

Farid won after extension round, think new knee rule sucks, ( no disrespect to Albert he is a great fighter) again k-1 bending rules to suit themselves common guy's dont make the Max a joke as well, Superleague must be laughing at you

here are some of the results

http://www.so-net.ne.jp/feg/k-1gp/top646.htm

It's not a new rule, it is a newly enforced rule. It's always been a rule.

whatever dirk you just knock one off over anything dutch anyway, just because the judges gave the nod to him doesnt mean that is all that matters at all.
If your AK was so great he would be fighting like buakow and farid villaume do... 5x3min rounds with no girly 1 knee rule.

Correct Joe blow i dont think just superleague are laughing at K1 probably a lot more people than that, they made a step in the right direction with JWP, Farid, Buakow, Kaoklai etc. and now they are ruining it after seeing kohi get destroyed with knees in the last k1 max finals! i think if they modified the rules enough anyone could win it especially if the ref. randomly counts the opponent and the judges give you points for getting hit!

New or old rule it still sucks, next there will be no knees, limited kicks and only puches allowed and if you win the max final and your not Japanese you cant fight in it again, Lol

Super League would laugh if they had a fraction of K-1's budget. But they dont. And despite the rule changes, fighters will show up because it is the best paying gig in town. I think it sux. I dont even wastch too many of the K-1 events but I LOVE(loved) K-1 Max. I want the old rules back!

Can any of you guys from the UK shed some light on why Peter Crooke hasnt fought in the Max since the fight where he knocked out Kohi?

To be honest Kraus is more of a boxer than a kicker from the fights I've seen him in before and I'm not that much of a fan personally. Fair play to him for beating Buakao but theres no way he would have if proper clinchwork had been allowed but thats K1 for you rules are rules. Both fighters knew the rules and Buakao was in the ring he got paid and accepted the rules so nothing can be said really. As for he would have won under muay thai scoring its not muay thai is it? Its K1. You wanna get the big paydays you sometimes have to do things that disadvantage you like fight under different rules. Next time Buakao go for the KO then theres no arguments.

looks like they finally felt like it was time to screw buakow. havent seen the fight yet but for some reason i believe the look on buakow face more the albert. no disprespect to kruas we all know hes awesome his fights speak for themselves

Rules are rules, You must give kraus the credit he deserves. Mayb'e if matt skelton gets beat on friday night we can say, if only he could of used knees and elbows.

"Rules are rules, You must give kraus the credit he deserves. Mayb'e if matt skelton gets beat on friday night we can say, if only he could of used knees and elbows. "

You can't argue with that. If the Muay Thai fighters don't like the rules, don't do it, Simple as. Though K1 Max would undoubtably be worse for it.

wow a guy wins an cus he not a muay thai fighter than he for some reason didnt deserve the win an the thai guy must have been ripped off, I mean can you guys read this crap an not think that the world does not revolve around thai figters always winning. I admire thailand an i luv muay thai but the one eyed support i read on here borders on religious fanaticsm...as has been said teh fight was a k1-max fight not a muay thai fight the rules for knees was in effect would buakow have won if it was thai boxing well hell yeh !!!!!! would i win a " who has the biggest dick " contest against sandy holt well off course cus im a samoan but i digress... the fight was k1-max get over it move on....ps sorry sandy i mean you woulda won but i would have won the " perfect control" contest or my prono name is not " multiple man " hahaha.

This new rule was a last minute change. It was changed the night before the event!!!!!! Come on now! K-1 Max, SHAME ON YOU! They must be tired of Buakaw winning it all. SHAME ON K-1 Max, bending the rules OVERNIGHT.

Oh and to the Albert Kraus nut hugger, why are you so cocky for? Remember Kohi and Masato? Yea, that's right, AK got owned.

It is not the first and not the last instance when they will change the rules. Both (and with them, all) the fighters diserve the credit for fighting. There is an almost obvious thing that there's no real interest in pointing to "one and absolute" winner in the circuit, this would spoil too much interest by part of the fans. There are many "triangles" alike in the K-1 (like Hoost beating Mirko, Mirko beating Sapp and Sapp beating Hoost) in the past, there will be for sure some coming in the future, and the greater the incertitude, the bigger the audience one can expect for any match coming. Instead, just building a "one-and-only" champion would just turn the show into a regular sports contest. It proved not cost-effective. In all due respect - a question. Does WMC allow title matches with Thais who are a bit worn-out to allow Europeans a decent win ? I reckon there are examples. No disrespect (I really mean it !) for WMC. But even them are sometimes pushed into not featuring the best Thais in Europe. No sponsor and no matchmaker would put support into a contest which results either in a Thai-only game or at the best case into the need of bringing a decent contender from God knows how many miles away. As for Buakaw : it is sad that they do tricky stuff to limit his arsenal. But on the other hand, let's look at the figures of the purses. I reckon a full-honest-tough match in his homeland brings 2 zero-s less. Or maybe I am too cynical... :(

It is not the first and not the last instance when they will change the rules. Both (and with them, all) the fighters diserve the credit for fighting. There is an almost obvious thing that there's no real interest in pointing to "one and absolute" winner in the circuit, this would spoil too much interest by part of the fans. There are many "triangles" alike in the K-1 (like Hoost beating Mirko, Mirko beating Sapp and Sapp beating Hoost) in the past, there will be for sure some coming in the future, and the greater the incertitude, the bigger the audience one can expect for any match coming. Instead, just building a "one-and-only" champion would just turn the show into a regular sports contest. It proved not cost-effective. In all due respect - a question. Does WMC allow title matches with Thais who are a bit worn-out to allow Europeans a decent win ? I reckon there are examples. No disrespect (I really mean it !) for WMC. But even them are sometimes pushed into not featuring the best Thais in Europe. No sponsor and no matchmaker would put support into a contest which results either in a Thai-only game or at the best case into the need of bringing a decent contender from God knows how many miles away. As for Buakaw : it is sad that they do tricky stuff to limit his arsenal. But on the other hand, let's look at the figures of the purses. I reckon a full-honest-tough match in his homeland brings 2 zero-s less. Or maybe I am too cynical... :(

All the above points are true, Yes it was K-1 rules (whatever they are on each show) and yes they all get decent money but what do they get for one fight is it $5,000 us or more per match or do some get more than others. ?????
I personally think the max shows are great, a fantastic production with an enormous budget, and some great fighters, the judges must get shit pay, because they always screw something up, why dont they just piss the extension rounds off and make all the fights 5 rounds? they all seem to go to extension anyway?

Hi Riker,

I would love to know why myself? Paul Henessy kept asking the K1 people and they just kept saying we'll let you know? they did also say that if Kohi wanted a rematch then i could fight again? He obviosly didn't because im still waiting and ready to fight him anytime.Its nice that someone else has noticed that the K1 is all about who's face fits!!!!

I have been promised Kraus this year by the Superleague, so im looking forward to that! maybe after that fight my face will fit again? Thought it would be better from the horses mouth.

Regards

Pete

youre not supposed to beat the Japs pete, cause you knocked him out you wont be allowed back, had you just given him an 8 count and took a loss on points youd probably be there fighting again 6 weeks later, all those poor fans had to see kohi stumbling out of the ring after having his head part company with his body!!
GO GET KRAUS and bully him!!

Yao Ming - nice post, i like it.

I ve said it before and i will say it again

K1 = WWF!

buakow_boy writes:

whatever dirk you just knock one off over anything dutch anyway, just because the judges gave the nod to him doesnt mean that is all that matters at all.
If your AK was so great he would be fighting like buakow and farid villaume do... 5x3min rounds with no girly 1 knee rule.


Hey buakow_boy, for your info, AK has fought those rules of course in Holland many times like all Dutch A class fighters! You have to remember, he is not the one that makes the rules, he just goes in and fight with NO excuses...and won this time. Again, it comes down to the mentality of the dutch: to fight anywhere, anytime, anyhow, no matter the rules.

and i've seen the thais handicap things in their favor before as well.

dirk might remember this fight better than me.

hypolite fighting in thailand against a thai.they weighed in, made weight then changed the weight limit for the division.low and behold hippy is now heavy.they show him running and skipping to make weight.he makes weight,fights the thai and wins by ko.

hippolite is ruff...but I do see bukaow boys point.

good luck against kraus pete... that'll be a great fight! I cant wait

lol @ you guys getting all excited without seeing the fight yet.

I have 15 hours left on the download.



"youre not supposed to beat the Japs pete"

bukkake_boy, you didn't strike me as a racist...

buakow_boy writes:
WHATEVER DIIRK YOU JUST KNOCK ONE OFF OVER ANYTHING DUTCH ANYWAY.

Yes,Buakow boy,I'm Dutch,but that have nothing to do with this,I make no difference between any fighters,I like a lot of fighters from all over the world and I respect them.For example ask Pete Crooke,John Wayne Parr or Malaipet about me,I make no difference between them and the Dutch fighters,I respect them all and most of all I support them,just as the Dutch fighters that I like.

lol matt

Pete as you say with k1 it depends if your face fits they love all the theatrics of kraus with his fancy dress costume etc or the beast bob sapp,its not easy for them to get excited about a fighter who comes from england does not shout his mouth off ,does not have a silly knickname,and ko,s everybody put infront of them.How are they supposed to market that,he he.It strikes me that the superleague is the same sort of thing a lot of the fighters seem to have the showmanship that the general public like to see it attracts people from outside the sport to spend their money on it,the only difference is the fighters are all genuinly good and they cant denigh you a place there because of your outstanding record.Maby you could play the"ENGLISH" card wiht k-1 and walk into the ring dressed as a beefeater he he,or you could play up to the "HELLICOPTER COP" thing and fly your way in!!!!

no buakow boy hes seerious!!!lol!

All the best Reece from all at Nongkee free tickets for Deans show March 6th.

Wrong thread.

lol vinny are u drunk again???

Hopefully this will get aired on fight club and the debate can start all over again on who was robbed or not....

In the meantime look at the fuss its caused already in 24hrs....sooooo by the time the max world finals come round again (is it may time or june ??) everybody will be wanting to see a rematch - what are the odds on Buakaw and Kraus in separate pools only to be able to meet in the max world final show down ?? Good marketing if you ask me.



p.s the faces say it all to me :-}

Lol nope just naturally thick .

Hi Rich,

Thank you for your kind words, I like the sound of that maybe if they have an open top venue i could get winched in!! LOL. Hope to pop in on Monday mate if your down there.

Speak to ya soon pal.

Pete

Its not MuayThai judging is it?

That said what is the judging?

I'm sick of hearing Westeners go to thailand, loose and then say the judging isn't fair when they couldn't even tell who won between two Thais.

That said MuayThai fighters and fans cannot complain when its not MuayThai judging.

However, i think a fair complaint would be on liking the style of judging or on the consistancy of it or how subjective it is etc.

How the judging should be (in our opinions) and how it is suppose to be are very different.

But If i want to watch punches bounce of arms, gloves and heads i'll watch boxing. i think an understanding by the organizations and officials of the power of some kicks would be helpful. The kind of understanding I'm sure Kraus has.

Good on him for a good fight if it was a good dec and good on him for a good fight if it wasn't.

If the schedule holds water you can watch the fights on Eurosport on March 21st.

Actually Kohi's defeat to Pete was something very bitter for him... cos that was the last fight his father saw before passing away... he still feels sorry for not giving a victory to his father before his death.

Kohi is a great fighter i would like to see him win the Max he seems to fight all the tough guys and always gives 100%, some of the match ups i would like to see are

JWP V KOHI
JWP V KRAUS
JWP V MASATO
KOZO V KRAUS
KOZO V JWP
VILLAMUE V KRAUS
VILLAMUE V MASATO
VILLAMUE V JWP
BUAKOW V JWP 2
BUAKOW V KRAUS 2
BUAKOW V MASATO 2

As much as it pains me to agree with Liam (bukoaw boy)I've just watched the fight and am astounded as to how Kraus got the decision!

The eight count in the first round was a fooking joke, it was never in a million years an eight count.

Awful decision. The judges should be ashamed of themselves !

Halleluiah! halleluiah, halleluiah.


Having watched the fight i now think Buakow has even more talent than i did before, the guy is relentless and his stamina is amazing. Having took most of his weapons away from him after the destruction of Kohi and Masato in the K1 Max he STILL dominated the fight against Kraus.
I have a 28mb mpeg of the fight uploaded to a webserver that i will send the URL to anyone who emails me (thaiboxer@zoom.co.uk) requesting it with their ax username
if you judge for yourself then post your honest opinion on this thread.
The 8 count given to Buakow was a joke, Kraus fell backwards trying to avoid a round kick then buakow chased him and followed with another kick, he missed and when he turned round Kraus tried to hit him with a haymaker when his back was turned, as he turns he slipped over, gets straight up to meet an 8 count!
Kraus even gets out boxed in this bout, getting caught with more punches than Buakow. I am not sure what scoring is used but from what ive seen you must score big for running, backing off and throwing wild swings that miss by a mile.
Fair play to Kraus though for staying up for as long as he did same as Masato and congratulations for the ' win '

I just finished watching the fight.

"The 8 count given to Buakow was a joke, Kraus fell backwards trying to avoid a round kick then buakow chased him and followed with another kick, he missed and when he turned round Kraus tried to hit him with a haymaker when his back was turned, as he turns he slipped over, gets straight up to meet an 8 count!"

If you watch this part in slow motion you can clearly see Kraus hit Buakow in the temple with the right cross. I don't think it hurt Buakow at all, but it was still a knockdown from a punch and deserves an 8 count. Buakow dominated the rest of the round to even it out.

"Kraus even gets out boxed in this bout, getting caught with more punches than Buakow."

Kraus landed many more clean punches than Buakow.

"I am not sure what scoring is used but from what ive seen you must score big for running, backing off and throwing wild swings that miss by a mile."

Buakow was backing up the whole extra round throwing kicks into Kraus's arms. Kicks that are blocked do not score in K-1. If you don't know the scoring system, then you can't say who won the fight.

Also, Buakow was aware of the enforcment of the one knee in the clinch, yet he continued to knee more than once while clinched without receiving a yellow card. That rule had no impact on the outcome of the fight.


I don't like Kraus's style at all, he doesn't kick, and has a mullet. It was a close fight, Buakow could have won the fight if he wouldn't have backed up so much in the extra round.

I kinda respect Kohi but i really don't like the guy and his attitude. I hope i can see him one more time vs Buakaw just to seem him being destroyed or maybe vs Kid Yamamoto in MMA rules (hehehe).
I'll only comment the fight between Kraus and Buakaw after seeing it. BTW buakaw boy can you post the fight thru www.yousendit.com then send the link?

thats how ive done it mate thru yousendit.com, thais do that towards the end of the final round when they have won clear move around, sometimes put their arms up or whatever, There shouldnt have been an extra round.
Was he blocking the kicks with his arms then? Impressive, i apologise for my earlier comments he clearly deserved the win.
Kraus goot booked aswel, the yellow card is classic does this mean he will miss the next cup game and can the manager still bring on a sub?


Lol@Sonik if you really dont like Kohi look at his face after pete connects with that left hook!

I saw a clip of the fight and well I agre it was a close fight as evidenced by the split decision in the extension round and the draw.
I havent seen round one but from what i saw the eight count was harsh. I havent looked at it as closely as matt mind you so I could be wrong.
And I disagree that buakow continually used multiple knees. I only remember one or 2 ocassions mostly he did the one hand one knee thing..
To be honest without the 8 count and not seeing the first i would have given it to buakow. But then I am not a K1 judge! I dont think it was a blatant rip off. Just a good close fight! And isnt that really what we all want!! To see some good close high quality fights!
But I think they should change suoer fights back to 5 rounds!! no extension! if its a draw after five so beit!! but at least a 5 rounder gives a bit more chance to get a clear winner!
later

Just watched the fight also.

Also havent studied in slow-mo, but even if anything connected it wasnt imo the strike which floored buakaw.

How many times did kraus have to get up off the floor ??

How many kicks did kraus throw ? will have to watch it again later to have a count up :-/
do kicks and punches score the same in K1 ?

yes they do.remember k-1 is supposed to be a mixed martial art/sport.there is no preference or style points.you don't have to throw kicks at all.it comes down to who is more effective with what they're using.if i'm landing knnes,you're landing punches,your punches are effecting me more than my knees are effecting you then round goes to you.
my question on the knockdown is how fast did buakow rise?was he up at 8,or well before?if it was 8,then maybe he was hurt.after all under his own rules,if it had been ruled a knockdown,he would not have been charged had he jumped up right away. right?so i would imagine he would react the same way.
if the punch landed and caused the knockdown,even if he was not hurt,it's a knockdown.

Trips and throws don't score either.

Buakaw was up before the count started. The ref split the fighters and pointed Kraus to the other corner, by the time the ref turn back to start the count Buakaw was standing.

Kirk, check your email

If anyone wants to see the knockdown in a small 1meg video clip, leave your email.

better yet, email me at

matthewjnielsen@hotmail.com

the slip did not justify a count, if you get caught square with a shot bt are not phased and bouce back up like he did it does not warrant a count, the count is for the boxers safety and he didnt need 8 seconds to recover

From where the ref was standing he saw the punch and buakaw starting to fall. He jumped in and started counting without checking. But, there was a punch to Buakaws head and he did start to fall, from a slip or from the blow...I can't tell.

hey buakow-boy can you post the link in this thread or have you posted already in another one?

Apreciated

It was such an obvious knockdown. Sure enough it was more of a flash knockdown and didn't phase Buakow but it was a knockdown all the same.

Buakow boy writes-
"if you get caught square with a shot bt are not phased and bouce back up like he did it does not warrant a count"
You have your facts wrong. Remember, it's K1 not Muay Thai.

buakow_boy writes:

youre not supposed to beat the Japs pete, cause you knocked him out you wont be allowed back, had you just given him an 8 count and took a loss on points youd probably be there fighting again 6 weeks later, all those poor fans had to see kohi stumbling out of the ring after having his head part company with his body!!
GO GET KRAUS and bully him!!
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you shouldn't refer to japanese as "japs" as you think you are above them,
because there isn't a english fighter who can even come close to beating masato, sato, otsuki...


there are also plenty of top "japs" who have never been given the chance to step into the k-1 arena, because they are not 'marketable', or not connected to the right people...
ONE of those is YOSHIHIRO SATO, who completely dominated and KOed peter crooke last yr in AJKF. sato cannot even get his foot into the k-1 door.


i was also there when peter crooke fought kohi in k-1 a few yrs back. and kohi was beating crooke very badly in every round UNTIL he got caught(with the one KO punch). it's more like if crooke had actually beaten kohi more soundly throughout the rounds, he would have been given a 2nd chance. kohi can be hot and cold, and is inconsistant at times and vs different styles. his will breaks down easily at the worst times.
kohi would never be be able to beat someone like sato, but for whatever reason he is k-1's choice. not a issue of skill.

Good post Teri.

And let's not forget that K1 MAX is just a promotion like any other. The promoters choose the fighters they want not the other way round. Nobody has a 'right' to fight again on any promoter's shows just because they won.

Having just watched the fight and applying MuayThai scoring criteria, Buakow won very clearly indeed. However, I acknowledge as a MuayThai judge it is difficult for me not to be influenced by MuayThai scoring. Since the fight was not judged by MuayThai criteria but K1 criteria, which I don’t know that much about, I have to accept the decision. I can only assume, but I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, that kicks and knees don’t score too heavily but that the number of punches thrown counts significantly.

As far as Pete’s fight against Kohi goes, I was in Pete’s corner and it is true Kohi was winning quite clearly going into the last round, having capitalised on Pete’s uncharacteristic negativity in the early rounds. Kohi had punished Pete with very hard low kicks as he tried to punch and had dropped him with a kick to the face. However, after a dressing down from me in the corner, Pete went out in the fifth like a true champion and attacked from the bell knocking out Kohi. I can only speculate how the fight would have gone if he had done that from round one.

I wasn’t in Pete’s corner against Sato, although I have watched Sato fight and he is very strong and has good technique. I do know that before the fight Pete was silly enough to have to sweat 5kgs on the day of to make the weight. This was his own fault but it did have had an impact on his performance in the fight. A fully fit Pete v Sato fight would be interesting. I think it is unfortunate that all the best fighters don’t get a chance to fight for big money, Japanese, Thai, European etc.; although personally I would prefer it to be under MuayThai rules

Could someone please explain to me why the Japanese cannot be referred to as 'Japs'. I have always called them 'Japs' and it is not meant to be racist or derrogatory, just an abbreviation. It's like calling the British 'Brits' or Thailanders 'Thais'.

Afterall it's not what is said is how it said and the intent behind it.

On the subject, I thought Buakouw would have dispatched Kraus easily, he didnt and Kraus went four rounds with him. If it was a Thai fight, Buakouw would have won, but it wasn't and Kraus was awarded the fight. Good luck to him, I underestimated him. Anyone who goes four rounds with him deserves at least a Blue Peter badge.

On another note, the only reason that Buakouw is fighting K1 is the money. If he has trained all his short life and had around 200 fights using thai rules at a lower weight, then switches style, rules and weight to obtain more money, then it is going to be more difficult, as his best moves will not score as highly (kicks, knees) as well as taking his best weapons away from him (Grapple, Elbows). I do not blame him for taking the money route, but there is consequences in doing so.

Despite the loss, I still rate him as the best pound for pound stand up fighter in the world.

On the other side of things, the Japanese way of scoring has to be questioned again and I think we need some clarity. The standard of decisions in Japan recently has raised more than an eyebrow.

I just saw the clip. Buakaw was beating up on Albert Kraus. The winner of the fight if Buakaw. The K-1 Max judges are rigged, everyone knows that. So bottom line, Buakaw won, case closed.

On record, this is an asterisk win for Albert Kraus. Which means, it's not really a win. There will be an asterisk next to his record on this bout. And for Buakaw, he's still undefeated in K-1 Max.

I just saw the clip. Buakaw was beating up on Albert Kraus. The winner of the fight is Buakaw. The K-1 Max judges are rigged, everyone knows that. So bottom line, Buakaw won, case closed.

On record, this is an asterisk win for Albert Kraus. Which means, it's not really a win. There will be an asterisk next to his record on this bout. And for Buakaw, he's still undefeated in K-1 Max.

Hi Tone,

Teri 10043 I would just like to put the record straight as far as the fight with Sato is concerned, as my friend Tony Myers pointed out i stupidly didn't prepare for the fight properly and ended up being nearly 6kg over weight. I didn't eat from the wednesday and drank nothing at all from the thursday. Spent 4 hours in the sauna on the friday and was in the sauna again 6am saturday morning and eventually made the weight. The weigh in was around 11am by which time i was so dehidrated i had blurred vision. The fight was only 6-7 hours later where it was also red hot and i just did not recover.

I was NOT KOed i decided to stop the fight in the 3rd round not because he was hurting me but because i felt to weak and totally dehidrated to continue near to the point where i thought i was going to pass out. I knew that there was no way i could perform properly and did not want to risk serious injury which could have happened had i received a blow to the head.

It was my own fault and i learnt a valuable lesson from it. I would never again put myself in such a vulnerable possition. As for japanese fighters i have the opinion that they are true warriors and gentlemen. Having fought Nitta, Kohi, and Sato I would still say that the hardest one of them all was Nitta when he was in his prime he was awesome!! We are still great friends after the tremendous fight (war) we had and its always a pleasure when we get to meet up.

Regards

Pete

Shaun (and whoever else)-

Here is the explaination you asked for.
listed in this order:

country(noun)- of the country(adjective)- person from that country(noun)

Britain- British- Briton(endearing abv.= Brit)
Thailand- Thai- Thai(there is no abv. There is also no such word as 'Thailander')
Japan- Japanese- Japanese(derogatory abv.= Jap)
Pakistan- Pakistani- Pakistani(derogatory abv.= Paki)

It is about language and communication not a maths equation. It is not consistant in the way you suggested.

Being British I understand know that many British people don't consider the term 'Jap' to be offensive (although those people often don't know any Japanese people personally) but many do find it an offensive term.

However, undoubtably, that term is usually considered to be a strong derogatory term on a world scale. This is an international forum which calls for international savvy.

There are Japanese people that read this forum. There are also some people on here, such as Matt and myself, who have Japanese relatives and friends.

Maybe you don't mean it in a bad way but at the end of the day is it really important for you to keep using the word 'Jap' on this board when worldwide it is considered to be a racial slur?

Shaun, I can't believe you need this explained to you...

Do you call
Chinese - Chinks?
Blacks - Niggers?
Vietnamese - Gooks?
South Italians - Guineas?

Calling Japapese - Jap is on the same level.

Can of worms!
Its not used in the UK as degroatory; like the horrible and disgusting term Paki.
Its used in the abbv form like Brit.

But Satankid takes offence and he is from Japan so I think the term should not be used.

Fair play.

Matt deems it offensive because he cant high kick lol!

I wouldn't expect a MT Nazi like you to know what type of kick I am throwing...no it doesn't look like the typical MT kick you have seen in your limited MT world, but it will put you out in a flash.

Anyways, I'm glad to see you have seen the light.

Carry on Field Marshal...

lol, its not a muay thai kick, but i am wearing muay thai shorts as are my training partners and we are giving a demonstration to people who might not know what muay thai is.
see my point now?

"no it doesn't look like the typical MT kick you have seen in your limited MT world, but it will put you out in a flash."
lol thanks matt, i will be laughing all night.

Im not racist you fool, i didnt mean jap to be racist i think sato is an awesome fighter and i had the pleasure of meeting and chatting to him after he beat chopper at my hotel. Please dont make me out be a racist, i am far from it as anyone who knows me will tell you! I love thai people, i train with Charlie who is Black my best friend is Indian (Sikh) and i used to date a chinese girl, id harly say im walking around with a skinhead and my membership card to the national front. If saying Jap is racist i apologise to anyone i offended but the same as most people on here i didnt realise it was a derogatory remark. Lets not split hairs, find something better to do ay?

back buakow_boy 100% think your being perdantic matt

So if I called your Chinese girlfriend a chink you would have been fine with it as long as I swear I didn't mean it in a racist way?

I'm Chinese and I dated all the hot Houston Rockets Caucasian cheerleaders, hehe.

Buakow boy.do not bite,this is a thread about a k1 fight,there should be a Political correctness thread on the off topic forum for people who need to argue that Jap is considered racist

Mike....

Just because Matt's kicks are influenced by other kicking styles does not mean he is not using a Muay Thai kick. Muay Thai is much bigger than the ring sport.

By the way, I train with him. He has got pretty good kicks. Underestimate them all you like, but I sure as hell won't.

This is reoccuring thing on AX. It seems that the same people claim to not realise that it is offensive everytime even though it is pointed out to them.

buakow_boy writes:

"I'm not racist, i am far from it
my best friend is indian
and i train with a black guy"

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lol

im off to a show now, my asian friend is picking me up, ill try not be too racist ok

lol at matts high kick pic...again!

Kraus never won it in my eyes but a loss is a loss sad as it there should and will be a rematch,Kraus is very tough but imo Bukaow won but everyone sees different,was his right leg hurt? Everytime he threw it it landed heavy but i agree Liam but we cannot change it he will win rematch.

Gareth,

Thanks for your explaination. The important thing to note in your response was when you stated 'Being British I understand that many British people don't consider the term 'Jap' to be offensive'. I am one of them and apart from a guy that used to post on here called 'monkey', I have never been corrected on it. I soely used it as an abbreviation and not a disrespectful term or a derogatory one and so did BB. If it offends people that much, I will refrain from using it.

Matt,

Please put your toys back in your pram. I simply asked a question.
I know the words 'nigger', 'chink', 'paki' etc are racist, I was unaware of the term 'Guineas' and was unaware that the word 'Jap' was being offensive.

Shaun look at the high kick picture in his profile lol!

Trust me, most japanese are offended being referred to as japs. The term "nip" (used during the war) is just as bad.

Didn't George Bush use a racist term when referring to Pakistan?

Bush is an idiot.

After watching the fight, I must say that, IMHO, there's no way Kraus should have won it. Another thing, Buakow should aim more for the legs and less to the body, if he would counter Kraus's advances with left low-kick instead of the infamous midle, by now Kraus would be walking in a wheelchair. Kraus got his strategy right for the fight (K-1 rules), and he did weathered the storm, to surprise of most people, but he just didn´t enough to earn the victory, IMHO.

does the word "jap" equal to maybe the word "limey" for a brit.just curious

It might vary from person to person, but I am not be offended by the word 'limey' or 'Pom'.

I am poud of what I am, no matter how it is put to me.

In fact, I take more offensive in being called a 'Brit'. I am English.

OMG!
Thanks to Vinny i have now seen this fight.

matt how the hell can you create a thread called 'Why Buakaw Lost?'
and score Kraus as winning.

This is disgusting and the reason why K1 is a joke!!!

And its also the reason why the Japan fight game is getting a bad name!

Sad, very very sad!

WWF sad!

i would be made uo too if i had just been given a fight after blantatnly loosing!lol!

i would be made up too if i had just been given a fight after blantatnly loosing!lol!

as many are aware k-1 is a system designed to find the equlibrium point mt & kb...since there is not so much space to talk about "clinches or knees with clinches ",altough sometimes k-1 rules dramaticaly changing ...fighters ,managers know very well this fact and have to prepare themselves in this concern...
hence, talking about "if there would be clinches or etc..." is not excuse...the fans have to look from this perspective...
k-1 is not muay thai and with only muay thai methodolgy the chance is lower in this section...even the best mt-fighters have to prepare themselves according to the needs of this section...
due to the experiences the dutch know this equlibrium point well and getting success...

congs kraus...

topic heading 'Kraus Beats Buakao'

no he didnt!

Simple as lol!

The topic should be " Kraus has an asterisk win "

Keyword, ASTERISK. You know, like Barry Bonds might have asterisk on his homerun record because he's on steroids.

lol yao!

Still LOL at the high kick picture on Matts profile, youre right, i dont think a chin or steel could take one of those babys!!! haha out like a light mate yep youre right... sparco.

LMAO

Just a quick note on this whole Jap - thing.

If someone finds it offensive basically you shouldn't use it. some people are more sensitive than others and in some countries different terms carry different meaning.

To be honest Matt, this is one of your hobby horses which you climb on at evey opportunity. And strictly speak the term "Jap" is an abreviation - however the derogatory association from memory, came from world war 2 & durring the 50-60s where the Japanese where coming through their technological and industrial revival - where many of their mass porducts products where known in the states as "Jap Crap".(and of course this is far from the case now)

Now I realise this is a completely different thread and maybe Matt, you should start another one off topic about it. But basically if someone uses a term inadvertently with out the itent of being racist and then apologises - let it go man, let it go! There are more important and resolvable things to discuss.

And if you still feel really strongly start another thead to educate us all - as we are a multi racial, multi cultural forum after all.

btw - I think Bakauw won too - alhtough Krasue did land some pretty effective shots which must be scored so there is a little bit of Mauy Thai blindness being displayed too.

if buakow could kick like this he would have won :-(

Mike,
I have started a thread on the off topic forum to address this issue as decent discussions such as this are cotinually being disrupted by this type of crap(for want of a better word)

No, he wouldn't have won, the kick is being blocked.

Hey Buakow_boy, You're still talking?

I just looked at your profile...lol

I can understand being a fan of Buakow, but isn't it a little strange that you fill your profile with pictures of him. You have been pissed off all week that Buakow lost under K-1 rules, spouting off racist slurs about Japanese and trying to convince anyone that will listen that he was ripped off by the "Sneaky Japs". I ask you to stop with the racist comments and you throw a fit. In between jerking off to Buakows picture you manage post every five minutes about a dead subject.

Congrats...


BTW, even your name is racist, Buakow_BOY? Are all non-whites... boys to you, or just the Asians?

I see you come from Tony's camp, I would have expected better...

buakow_boy because i am young thats why i put boy, you are a sad sad man if u think im racist, im far from it as everyone knows. ahh well as least i jerk off to someone with a half decent style ay? Have a nice day in the big apple

oh and sorry yes that is a very good block in the picture, good balance, ready to counter back, good vision.

That's all, damn I'm disapponted. I was expecting more from you buakow_BOY.

21 years old is still a boy in the UK? Guess that explains it.

Say hi to Tony for me, he's been a weath of information about Muay Thai. I bet he's proud to have you representing his gym here on the AX.

U need to chill out Matt the difference is when im with my mates 90% of the time we are taking the piss out of eachother 1 way or anothr and you learn to shrug it off, i dont lose sleep over your posts infact quite the opposite i look forward to you saying something remotely humourous (spelling) and witty but you dont, you swallow the bait everytime and get wound up. do you know farhad? you two would get along like a house on fire. Id be more than pleased to introduce you. I accept your comments, i accept that everyone is entitled to an opinion and also that K1 judging is made up as they go along. You wont make up for kickboxing etc. not being as good as Muay Thai by trying to slate me. Good effort and thank you for your 2cents worth or dollars, bucks or whatever.

TonyMyers writes:

On a lighter note, Liam is a sound lad, passionate about real MuayThai and up for having a laugh and winding people up. He is young enough to pull all the women he wants to and post whatever he thinks without worrying about the consequences. Enjoy it while you can pal. To some it will be a pain in the ass, an annoyance and immature. To others it will be refreshing and amusing. You’ll never please all of the people all of the time and at your age you shouldnt really need to care.

There you go, I knew you could do it. You just needed a minute to think...


So what was the topic again? Oh yeah, Kraus beating Buakow. Any thoughts about that Buakow_boy?

You know, Buakow_boy, looking back though the posts it is clear that you knew "Jap was racist. Have a look,

buakow_boy


2005-02-17 09:31:13 ( time)

buakow_boy writes:

Just because Thai people accept being called thais doesnt mean its any less racist than calling japanese Japs i dont think.

______________________________________________________________________________


Then a week later you post,

buakow_boy


2005-02-24 13:39:40 ( time)

buakow_boy writes:

youre not supposed to beat the Japs pete, cause you knocked him out you wont be allowed back, had you just given him an 8 count and took a loss on points youd probably be there fighting again 6 weeks later, all those poor fans had to see kohi stumbling out of the ring after having his head part company with his body!!
GO GET KRAUS and bully him!!

yawn yawn i am not racist yawn.
I was trying to say Thai is the same as Jap, a shortened name. Ill dig out my photos with Sato just for you so you know im not part of any white power marches ok.

Back on topic as i said ages ago congrats to all involved you did what you had to in order to win the contest.

Anything else as im bored now, the club shuts in 15 mins and im expecting company, thats if i can manage ay after all this jerking is it you call it?

Matt your high kick picture cracks me up, I have saved it as a screen saver!
People ask me "is that what you do?Is that Muay Thai?" I answer no! then laugh.
Then explain that its Thai style With American/Japanese Thai-Kick Boxing.
Or TWAT for short!

LMAO!!!

he he he :)

Matt, are you finished with accusing Liam of being a japanese hater racist boy who cracks one off over pictures of Buakao? It would be nice to get back on topic and discuss something interesting. Before you start I'm not racist I hate everybody equally and I'm 23 so I'm a man and not a boy and I don't play with myself over pictures of Buakao I'm more a dekker kind of guy myself.

I'm not gonna say nothing about your kick I'm such a fat twat I couldn't possibly reach that high low kicks and body kicks are more my thing.

its cool Matt called me Nazi.
How does he know Im not Jewish?

Anyone ever seen team america?
Thats sums up Matt.lol
so does T.W.A.T

BTW, even your name is racist, Buakow_BOY? - You have to be taking the piss with that stupid comment.

Matt, you're just anal, end of story.

As Mike says you're happy to throw around the term Nazi (albeit prefixed with the MuayThai). That is offensive to jewish, gypsy and various other ethnic and religous grouops.

Please explain your double standards!

Team America is quite possibly the worst film i have ever had the misfortune to sit through, had i not got a nosh half way through as the cinema was so empty it would have been a very disappointing evening. Matt i need say no more I hope your country is proud of the way you represent them on this website.

lol sick!

buakow_boy writes:
"Matt i need say no more I hope your country is proud of the way you represent them on this website."
LOL! he aint here to represent anyone but himself. matt happens to have a japanese wife and so if he thinks the word "jap" is offensive than the polite thing for you guys to do is to not use it.if youre a gentleman.if you get offended when i call you a limey or brit than i will be a gentleman and not use the word.now lets talk about kickboxing

Albert Kraus clearly knocked Buakow down with a right over hook that came from the other side of the ring. That punch was traveling before even Albert or Buakow knew where it was going to land. Some of the most devistating punches I have seen are the ones that come off the floor like that. Buakow's knees gave out in an instant. He dropped fast and jumped right back up fast but it is a knock dow. If Albert had kept punching and landed a few more follow up shots I am certain Buakow would have been in deep waters. Most likely he would have still recovered but maybe not. You don't want to be in deep water against Albert Kraus in the first round. Albert has the ability and tenacity to go for the kill. First round 10-8. So Buakow would have had to win both rounds just to get a draw. Or win both rounds and score a knockdown to win. Or knock Kraus out. The draw after 3 rounds was correct. In the extra round Albert Kraus clearly won. Albert took alot of kicks to the arms, but honestly I didn't see that many kicks coming through his guard. And the way Albert was blocking (very interesting angles) the kicks were not landing solid on the arms like for example the way Takeda Kozo was eating Buakow kicks to his arms so solid and flush. Albert kind of turned with the kicks and diffused the power of the impact. I'm not saying the kicks didn't hurt him but he didn't just stand there in the traditional Muay Thai guard and take the kicks straight onto his arms. On the other hand, alot of the punches Albert was throwing, especially the right hand, were landing with pop on buakow's head repeatedly.

Kohiroimaki clearly beat Peter Crook for 3 rounds until Peter scored a devestating (hale mary, please god help me) left hook at the last seconds of the last round. It looks to me like Peter was falling when he threw that hook. That punch was severe. But I believe the kicks Kohiroimaki was landing on Peter's legs were just as devestating. I think both fighters were just as hurt. I think both Kohiro and Pete should have respect for eachother and fear eachother, and neither of them has the justification to think they are better than the other.

Kohiroimaki clearly beat Peter Crook for 3 rounds until Peter scored a devestating (hale mary, please god help me) left hook at the last seconds of the last round. It looks to me like Peter was falling when he threw that hook. That punch was severe. But I believe the kicks Kohiroimaki was landing on Peter's legs were just as devestating. I think both fighters were just as hurt. I think both Kohiro and Pete should have respect for eachother and fear eachother, and neither of them has the justification to think they are better than the other.

Jap is a insulting term to Japanese people. I find it hard to believe that someone can go their entire life and not learn this one way or another. People do and say things when they can get away with it. Yeah, you say it all the time in the U.K. but how about in Japan all alone standing right near someone who will not tolerate it. You will quickly learn it is not a nice thing to say. You know it's wrong!!! Having relations with a Asian woman doesn't prove you are not racist. Maybe you hate a certain race, and not others. Maybe you just have a superiority complex towards certain people. Maybe people who say those insulting words are not racist, maybe they are just rude punks. I see people these days can get away with absolutely anything. This is mino compared to alot of things going on in the world. But it is wrong.

It was the second rounf not the 1st and if you think his legs were gone you live on another planet.

On another note if i went to buy a Toyota Celica GT4 or a Suparu Impreza i would want the Jap spec. car, this isnt racist it the direct opposite as the English version isnt as good.

yeah Kraus won that fight fair and square, for all the reasons mention already. I hope the rematch Buakaw is gonna come out with all the fury and anger of a thai fighter having to prove himself again. After watching this fight I have alot more respect for Kraus ability,but wonder why buakaw wasnt using his teep or push kick that he has used so affectively against everyone else.

The other angle is maybe Buakaw was paid to loose? or maybe he just had a bad day?

what planet do you live on?
Are you sure you were wearing your glasses?
How anyone can say Kraus won that fight I really dont know!




Lol again at the high kick!

Barney wrote:

"Jap is a insulting term to Japanese people. I find it hard to believe that someone can go their entire life and not learn this one way or another. People do and say things when they can get away with it. Yeah, you say it all the time in the U.K. but how about in Japan all alone standing right near someone who will not tolerate it. You will quickly learn it is not a nice thing to say. You know it's wrong!!! Having relations with a Asian woman doesn't prove you are not racist. Maybe you hate a certain race, and not others. Maybe you just have a superiority complex towards certain people. Maybe people who say those insulting words are not racist, maybe they are just rude punks. I see people these days can get away with absolutely anything. This is mino compared to alot of things going on in the world. But it is wrong."

I absolutely agree.

But what about the way the Japanese organisation K-1 is taking the p*** on the whole wide world?! Surely they can not in their wildest dreams believe that ANYONE will respect this organisation anymore and surely they MUST know how this will affect the martial arts enthusiasts around the world with regards to the Japanese people!
I have said it before: They must have a hidden agenda but I can not figure out what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm on planet AX. Oops! I didn't rewatch the fight before I posted. I don't actually know which round Peter crushed Kohi. But I do remember Kohi winning the entire fight until it was abruptly ended. Until he was abruptly ended. I remmember Peter looking like he was on his last leg. I do think about what I will write before I write, but I didn't double check the exact specifics. I should have checked first.

thats like the sugar ray leonard fight with hearns....
it went to the 13th round, sugar-ray was on his last legs, hearns was coming on strong to finish...and then all of a sudden sugar-ray pulled a right hand from hell out of no-where...

after the fight sugar-ray said he knew he could beat him...it just took 13 rounds to find that one shot!
thats the fight game for you...

well done pete!

ps LOL again at the high kick!!!! :) he he he

noi666 wrote

"thats like the sugar ray leonard fight with hearns....
it went to the 13th round, sugar-ray was on his last legs, hearns was coming on strong to finish...and then all of a sudden sugar-ray pulled a right hand from hell out of no-where...

after the fight sugar-ray said he knew he could beat him...it just took 13 rounds to find that one shot!
thats the fight game for you...

well done pete!"

Hey noi666
If you like that kind of ending you should check out the first boxing match between Robbie Peden vs Nate Campbell.
Turn the sound up, they were going haarrrd!.
I think it was round 5 when Campbell came full on and was going all out on Peden and then hit Peden with a body shot that made him fold over in half to the point where his gloves looked like they touched the floor.
Peden was nearly counting sheep when "from hell out of no-where" BOO YA.
You gotta see that.
GOT TO!\
It was shocking.
Similar to Peter's punch.

He shouldnt have got carried away and dropped his guard against a great fighter like Pete. Even though his leg was suffering he stayed composed and picked his shot, never count him out of a fight he may have been down but never out.

thats the unpredictablity* of the fight game.
thats what makes fights so exciting is that things like that happen.

a true "rocky" moment!!! :)






*is that even a word? Dont think so but ya know what I mean!!!

I must break you

"Do you have any predictions for the fight?"

PAIINNN !!!!

My main point about this dispute :

The main thing not taken into account by the Thai-rules fans was that the match had 3 rounds and an extra. This puts upside down all the judgements feasible under 5X3 rules.

If the match is to be judged by "thai-unfriendly" environment, Kraus landed more clean techniques, so he could win from the first 3 rounds. If the match is to be judged by "thai-friendly" environment, the other extreme is in discussion IF we don't take the knockdown into account not even by 10% - that is, absent the knockdown Buakaw would have won all way.

Knockdown present : it all matters on how much judges scored it. And this is one of the most biased and bias-able things in judging. To all eyes Buakaw struck his way back hard. But mind you, dear fellows, it was a 3X3. The very logic continuation would be an extra-round. Which to my eye Buakaw started to lose close to the end.

A simple question : what do you think would have been the evolution in a 5X3, where the 4-th round would have been followed by a 5-th ? In all respect, I think Buakaw was already (and visible) worn-out in the 4-th.

See also my comments about scoring at :

http://message.axkickboxing.com/index.phtml?action=dispthread&topic=14856&junk=1109754904.00257

Again, pls correct me if something sounds wrong.

My personal opinion :

They should have left it a draw. It was honorable for both and it was afteral not a damn tournament match.

Hi Unicorn
I was wondering the same thing about the 5th round scenario.
And I was also thinking that Buakao wasn't looking that good towards the end and in addition Kraus looked like he was picking up steam and had momentum. So therefore I speculate that he would have won the fifth round too. And Kraus still had power in his punches. And he was taking the kicks very very well.
I am Thai friendly.
And I understand kicks to the arms hurt too.
But I think those kicks were landing as flush on the arms as is usual. Kraus did something weird and the kicks were KINDA slightly diffused.

there will be not too much damage on kraus'arms since all the dutch fighters know very well how to block kicks and soften them...

from the pictures you can see this fact ,as well...